January transfer window rumours.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:55 am

Not a rumour, just a thought. If we need a young, cheap striker for the future I’d be looking at Morgan Whittaker of Plymouth Argyle. He’s got pace, takes up great positions and his finishing is improving.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by It Is What It Is » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:03 am

Should have given Barnes another but a lot cheaper 12 month contract (can't be on too much at Norwich ).

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Murger » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:04 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:55 am
Not a rumour, just a thought. If we need a young, cheap striker for the future I’d be looking at Morgan Whittaker of Plymouth Argyle. He’s got pace, takes up great positions and his finishing is improving.
We’ve got enough youngsters.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by RVclaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:29 am

Nixon saying we are ready to do a 15m deal for Marseille midfielder Pape Gueye.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by jedi_master » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:32 am

You can absolutely call me defeatist but I’m not sure I’d be keen on us splashing big fees this January. Loans with options? No problem. I know nothing of the player in question but he’s 6’2 which immediately makes me think he has to be an improvement!

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Murger » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:33 am

Who’s to say he’d want to join?

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:35 am

It Is What It Is wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:03 am
Should have given Barnes another but a lot cheaper 12 month contract (can't be on too much at Norwich ).
Having watched him yesterday, in the championship.....no thanks

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:11 pm

Brandon Thomas-Asante looks sharp at WBA another good goal today
Possible deal as WBA are skint .

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Ric_C » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:17 pm

This season is done, we need to start planning for the championship unfortunately.

6 month loans maybe, but I'm not sure how committed they'll be, failing that, then we need some decent full back options who are willing to drop down a level, and maybe a new GK if Muric leaves (I wouldn't blame him)

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:56 pm

Desperate for two good full backs, a physically big centre half, a midfielder and a striker. Seems a lot but that’s a result of how incredibly unbalanced our summer window was.

We also MUST make use of our available loans.
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by CryerBFC » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:29 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:29 am
Nixon saying we are ready to do a 15m deal for Marseille midfielder Pape Gueye.
Seems pricey for someone out of contract in the summer. Just come back from a 4 month ban too only played about 30 mins of football this season.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:57 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:56 pm
Desperate for two good full backs, a physically big centre half, a midfielder and a striker. Seems a lot but that’s a result of how incredibly unbalanced our summer window was.

We also MUST make use of our available loans.
We have a full squad.... Which 5 are we getting rid of... Plus how many more to fit in the extra loans?

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:02 pm

CryerBFC wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:29 pm
Seems pricey for someone out of contract in the summer. Just come back from a 4 month ban too only played about 30 mins of football this season.
Our recruitment team/owners don't have a very good concept of transfer value.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by TsarBomba » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:11 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:32 am
You can absolutely call me defeatist but I’m not sure I’d be keen on us splashing big fees this January. Loans with options? No problem. I know nothing of the player in question but he’s 6’2 which immediately makes me think he has to be an improvement!
Our squad is far too big as it is. The last thing we need to do is a repeat of Weghorst.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by StayingDown4Ever » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:11 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:57 pm
We have a full squad.... Which 5 are we getting rid of... Plus how many more to fit in the extra loans?
😆 take your pick!

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Goliath » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:13 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:32 am
You can absolutely call me defeatist but I’m not sure I’d be keen on us splashing big fees this January. Loans with options? No problem. I know nothing of the player in question but he’s 6’2 which immediately makes me think he has to be an improvement!
Agree to some extent but thinking about it, we shouldnt be in too bad a situation when we go down. Nobodys really on a huge wage anymore, we wont struggle for buyers for our players from the foreign market. We desperately need a centre mid so may aswell do it in Jan if its possible. Then all wed really need in summer is 2 full backs and then possibly a loan or 2 if needed.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:24 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:11 pm
😆 take your pick!
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:20 pm

I have a feeling that Lyle won't want to uproot and move again so we should be OK with him and Micky Mellon banging them in.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:35 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:57 pm
We have a full squad.... Which 5 are we getting rid of... Plus how many more to fit in the extra loans?
You do know that you can drop players from the squad, don’t you?

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:45 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:35 pm
You do know that you can drop players from the squad, don’t you?
Same thing..... Which 5+ players are you getting rid of from the squad.... Sold, loaned, dropped or any other method you can think of

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:55 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:45 pm
Same thing..... Which 5+ players are you getting rid of from the squad.... Sold, loaned, dropped or any other method you can think of
That would be up to the manager.

Churlinov is the obvious once for starters. After that, I can see 3 or 4 players moving on. Some players aren't getting any game-time and will probably be looking to get out.

It’s quite clear we need players through the door to stand a chance and there are players currently within our squad who aren’t contributing.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Westleigh » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:59 pm

Also Twine ,McNally and Weghorst to come back.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:05 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:57 pm
We have a full squad.... Which 5 are we getting rid of... Plus how many more to fit in the extra loans?
Churlinov, Redmond, Jay, Cork, Delcroix, Tresor, Obafemi, Massengo


They can all go. Free up the wages, bring in some cash get 3-4 top players in

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:08 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:05 pm
Churlinov, Redmond, Jay, Cork, Delcroix, Tresor, Obafemi, Massengo


They can all go. Free up the wages, bring in some cash get 3-4 top players in
Which 3 or 4 top players would want to join us ?

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:11 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:08 pm
Which 3 or 4 top players would want to join us ?
Ive done a few lists but clearly areas need to be prioritised this window and not ******* the money up the wall on 10 more wingers

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:17 pm

This January is going to be really interesting to understand our strategy.

1. Sign nobody - we’re skint & have given up.

2. Sign experienced loans - we’re skint but haven’t given up.

3. Sign talented young players - we’re not skint and committed to the plan and Kompany.

4. Sign experienced perms - no idea what’s going on.

I’ve given up on this season so I don’t see that 2 helps us that much. So I’m hoping we double down & go 3.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by willsclarets » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:18 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:05 pm
Churlinov, Redmond, Jay, Cork, Delcroix, Tresor, Obafemi, Massengo


They can all go. Free up the wages, bring in some cash get 3-4 top players in
Tresor was one of those "top players" on paper, so far as the type we can attract. At this point, we simply don't have the money to buy our way out of this. Players like Tresor may still come good, he has pedigree and is as likely to make an impact in the second half of the season as anyone we could buy. I also don't know why you'd get rid of a 23 year old Obafemi or a 22 year old Massengo either really before they've even played. The other 5 could leave for me though

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:20 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:11 pm
Ive done a few lists but clearly areas need to be prioritised this window and not ******* the money up the wall on 10 more wingers
True

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:21 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:18 pm
Tresor was one of those "top players" on paper, so far as the type we can attract. At this point, we simply don't have the money to buy our way out of this. Players like Tresor may still come good, he has pedigree and is as likely to make an impact in the second half of the season as anyone we could buy. I also don't know why you'd get rid of a 23 year old Obafemi or a 22 year old Massengo either really before they've even played. The other 5 could leave for me though
I agree with this, bar

I don’t think anyone knows whether we have any money or not.

Jay we absolutely need to keep too.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:21 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:18 pm
Tresor was one of those "top players" on paper, so far as the type we can attract. At this point, we simply don't have the money to buy our way out of this. Players like Tresor may still come good, he has pedigree and is as likely to make an impact in the second half of the season as anyone we could buy. I also don't know why you'd get rid of a 23 year old Obafemi or a 22 year old Massengo either really before they've even played. The other 5 could leave for me though
I would keep the young players if we had a tapestry of riches in the first team. But the issue we have is we need first team quality players not lads with potential.

January should be a window for players aged between 26-28 worth around the 15m mark.

We need a starting CB, at least 1 starting full back, 1 CM and a forward

60m quid budget, they will need to recoup some cash from somewhere

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by willsclarets » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:29 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:21 pm
I agree with this, bar

I don’t think anyone knows whether we have any money or not.

Jay we absolutely need to keep too.
Fair enough on Jay. With the money thing, not saying we don't have any. But we certainly can't have the amount you'd need to guarantee the amount of points we'd need. In January especially. We could spend another 100 million and not get close.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:48 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:29 pm
Fair enough on Jay. With the money thing, not saying we don't have any. But we certainly can't have the amount you'd need to guarantee the amount of points we'd need. In January especially. We could spend another 100 million and not get close.
Yes okay then, agree on that point.

I’d actually be quite worried if we spent big again. Although I think Kompany has already ruled that out.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by willsclarets » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:21 pm
I would keep the young players if we had a tapestry of riches in the first team. But the issue we have is we need first team quality players not lads with potential.

January should be a window for players aged between 26-28 worth around the 15m mark.

We need a starting CB, at least 1 starting full back, 1 CM and a forward

60m quid budget, they will need to recoup some cash from somewhere
Understand where you're coming from, but is 15 mill going to get you a better CM than Brownhill, Cullen or Berge? Possibly, but possibly not. And probably not such a vast improvement it'd make our survival chances greater. Same with CB. I'd love a LB and/or a striker, but January is not an easy time to get out of the bed you've made for yourself. And it has to be balanced with the state we leave ourselves in come May when we're likely down. A loan or two perhaps with experience might be good though.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by JBR » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:57 pm

It will be interesting to see if Pace gives VK any money.

I’m guessing it will have to be self funded but you never know.

Will he just have a clean break and give another manager the budget if we fail to get another point this side of Christmas.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by JBR » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:59 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:21 pm
I would keep the young players if we had a tapestry of riches in the first team. But the issue we have is we need first team quality players not lads with potential.

January should be a window for players aged between 26-28 worth around the 15m mark.

We need a starting CB, at least 1 starting full back, 1 CM and a forward

60m quid budget, they will need to recoup some cash from somewhere
Pretty much every man and his dog can see we need a left back / right back and a starting central midfielder and striker but does VK?

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:02 pm

Rumours of Ekdal to fenerbache

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:06 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:49 pm
Understand where you're coming from, but is 15 mill going to get you a better CM than Brownhill, Cullen or Berge? Possibly, but possibly not. And probably not such a vast improvement it'd make our survival chances greater. Same with CB. I'd love a LB and/or a striker, but January is not an easy time to get out of the bed you've made for yourself. And it has to be balanced with the state we leave ourselves in come May when we're likely down. A loan or two perhaps with experience might be good though.
Possibly not, they are likely going to have to spend a bit more than 15 if the right player comes up.

There’s a few that I would love us to try and get but would be exceedingly difficult given our league position.

Yangal Herrera and Alex Garcia from Girona would both fit into our squad as CMs they would be a top signing if we could somehow pull one of them off.

In terms of a striker Adam in Ligue 1 should be available around the 15m mark. I watched him a few times now and he looks immense.

Mittelstädt At left back should be available for around the 5-10m mark.

Any of them would be a great start. All good pros and have played football at a good level.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by JBR » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:08 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:02 pm
Rumours of Ekdal to fenerbache
How he doesn’t get in for O’Shea I will never know.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by StayingDown4Ever » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:12 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:06 pm
Possibly not, they are likely going to have to spend a bit more than 15 if the right player comes up.

There’s a few that I would love us to try and get but would be exceedingly difficult given our league position.

Yangal Herrera and Alex Garcia from Girona would both fit into our squad as CMs they would be a top signing if we could somehow pull one of them off.

In terms of a striker Adam in Ligue 1 should be available around the 15m mark. I watched him a few times now and he looks immense.

Mittelstädt At left back should be available for around the 5-10m mark.

Any of them would be a great start. All good pros and have played football at a good level.
What absolute maniac would leave top of La Liga Girona to sign for one of the worst teams to have ever graced the Premier League?
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:13 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:12 pm
What absolute maniac would leave top of La Liga Girona to sign for one of the worst teams to have ever graced the Premier League?
Very unlikely but I’m hopeful a **** load of cash might tempt them.

At this point in time I think a bumper deal might be the only thing to attract them

Could maybe double or triple there salary’s

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by warksclaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:18 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:02 pm
Rumours of Ekdal to fenerbache
Thats worrying-he is the most composed of our defenders, and definitely a better option than O'Shea. Have him and VK fallen out ??

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by bfcjg » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:20 pm

We need to ship players out en masse, to many players hanging around who clearly are not up to it, bring 3 big physical strong players in to bolster midfield and defence.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by MT03ALG » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:22 pm

I wrote to Vincent in August suggesting he should take a look at Jordy Makengo, keft back for SC Freiburg Reserves, after watching him in a friendly match playing for the first team. No reply from Vincent but Jordy is now in the SC Freiburg first team.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by warksclaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:34 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:20 pm
We need to ship players out en masse, to many players hanging around who clearly are not up to it, bring 3 big physical strong players in to bolster midfield and defence.
Agreed-other clubs do it. We have made a habit of it, tending to keep mediocre players rather than recycling for new -ie Bardsley, Pieters, Long, Rodriguez,Peacock Farrel, Lowton and several more

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:37 pm

Letting Ekdal leave would be insane

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:55 pm

JBR wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:08 pm
How he doesn’t get in for O’Shea I will never know.
Pace, I imagine. Same reason I don’t think he fancied THB at this level. Did think Everton might be the game we’d bring him back in given they don’t have a lot of pace up front :(

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:05 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:55 pm
Pace, I imagine. Same reason I don’t think he fancied THB at this level. Did think Everton might be the game we’d bring him back in given they don’t have a lot of pace up front :(
We signed him knowing that we were almost in the prem already. Surely we haven’t given a player a four and a half year deal knowing that he wasn’t up to prem standard . Unfortunately I think he’s one of those players who just can’t stay fit

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by StayingDown4Ever » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:16 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:13 pm
Very unlikely but I’m hopeful a **** load of cash might tempt them.

At this point in time I think a bumper deal might be the only thing to attract them

Could maybe double or triple there salary’s
Get real. Absolutely nothing we could offer them would tempt them here.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:18 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:16 pm
Get real. Absolutely nothing we could offer them would tempt them here.
Potentially not but tripling someone’s salary when they have about 6-7 years of top earning potential isn’t to be sniffed at.

I believe Gironas wage bill is tiny so you have to imagine they can’t be on a lot (in prem terms).

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by NewClaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:20 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:05 pm
We signed him knowing that we were almost in the prem already. Surely we haven’t given a player a four and a half year deal knowing that he wasn’t up to prem standard . Unfortunately I think he’s one of those players who just can’t stay fit
That’s a very fair point.

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