January transfer window rumours.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Jakubs Tash » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:33 pm

I don’t disagree with most of the comments made by posters re playing Beyer at right back or that he has played in that position previously for other clubs and his country. But I still don’t see why Kompany would start to play him at right back when he has shown zero inclination to do so up until now.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by claretspice » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:42 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:33 pm
I don’t disagree with most of the comments made by posters re playing Beyer at right back or that he has played in that position previously for other clubs and his country. But I still don’t see why Kompany would start to play him at right back when he has shown zero inclination to do so up until now.
For the same reason that once upon a time, Dyche started playing Ben Mee at centre back having shown zero inclination do so previously?

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Andy_G » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:45 pm

GetIntoEm wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:44 am
Would have preferred Haaland
Nah. He's rubbish is that Haaland.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by whiffa » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:54 pm

Honestly cannot understand the Beyer blamers, for me he's only been off his game due to a weak partner beside him this season. We've conceded far more goals down our right hand side than our left this season afaik. He's still our best defender.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:54 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:51 am
He’s listed as 6ft on Chelsea’s own website.

It’s more about his build. He’s a big strong unit.
so was Dan Agyei

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by DCWat » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:13 pm

whiffa wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:54 pm
Honestly cannot understand the Beyer blamers, for me he's only been off his game due to a weak partner beside him this season. We've conceded far more goals down our right hand side than our left this season afaik. He's still our best defender.
I’m not in the camp of people who say that he’s been poor, but I think it’s fair to say that he’s taking time to adapt to the increased pace, physicality and nouse that he faces in the Premier League.

As you say, he perhaps hasn’t been helped by his partner on occasions and we’ve suffered from too many periods with different centre halves. We were also ridiculously open, defensively, at the start of the season.

Playing him at right back might not be a bad solution all around, particularly considering our obvious shortcomings in that position.

It will give him some time to develop his understanding of the league and give us some additional height at the back. Whether or not he’s good enough at right back remains to be seen, but worth a try I’d suggest, particularly as it’s a position he is used to playing.

As with most of our players, he has plenty of time on his side to iron out any faults in his game.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:16 pm

Beyer at right back would definitely improve us defensively, but I'm not sure he's got the mobility and stamina to play that role in this set up.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by whiffa » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:17 pm

DCWat wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:13 pm
I’m not in the camp of people who say that he’s been poor, but I think it’s fair to say that he’s taking time to adapt to the increased pace, physicality and nouse that he faces in the Premier League.

As you say, he perhaps hasn’t been helped by his partner on occasions and we’ve suffered from too many periods with different centre halves. We were also ridiculously open, defensively, at the start of the season.

Playing him at right back might not be a bad solution all around, particularly considering our obvious shortcomings in that position.

It will give him some time to develop his understanding of the league and give us some additional height at the back. Whether or not he’s good enough at right back remains to be seen, but worth a try I’d suggest, particularly as it’s a position he is used to playing.

As with most of our players, he has plenty of time on his side to iron out any faults in his game.
I'm not opposed to playing Beyer at right back, it's an area we need to strengthen - however, as he's our best CB I fail to see moving him being a good option at all. We'd be better putting O'Shea or AAD (Who both play right side) at right-back and keeping our best CB in his best position. If we sign someone who plays left-side CB to fill in for Beyer, then personally I'd still rather push Beyer to RCB and use someone else at RB. Just my opinion.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:38 pm

I'm not convinced he's 21
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by claret2018 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:43 pm

Hate to be that guy, but Fofana is an absolute beast on Football Manager

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Re: Fofana

Post by NL Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:51 pm

TonbridgeClaret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 7:58 am
Sorry, should have posted on January transfers thread. Mods please remove.
Tbf it is better posting separately as it takes far too long to find any rumours on that thread. I find with any thread that goes over 1 page that it’s pretty pointless following it.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:57 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:38 pm
I'm not convinced he's 21
Same agent as Ian Maatsen, he’ll be clocking up the air miles

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:01 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:57 pm
Same agent as Ian Maatsen, he’ll be clocking up the air miles
interesting, probably a huge reason why we got him then

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by burnley007 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:09 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:38 pm
I'm not convinced he's 21
Interesting that it is made clear that there is no option to buy. Looks like we could be bitten by the same issue as Maatsen, Tella, THB...

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Re: Fofana

Post by dougcollins » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:11 pm

I'd suggest that any player due to land here is more important than a 'transfer rumours' thread.

I'd prefer a separate one, I haven't got time to trawl multi page rumour threads.

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Re: Fofana

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:18 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:11 pm
I'd suggest that any player due to land here is more important than a 'transfer rumours' thread.

I'd prefer a separate one, I haven't got time to trawl multi page rumour threads.
I dunno, a few pages on Charlie Taylor and whether we ever really replaced John Deary really complements the transfer gossip.

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Re: Fofana

Post by dougcollins » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:20 pm

As much as I like John Deary, I'll pass on that.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:23 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:09 pm
Interesting that it is made clear that there is no option to buy. Looks like we could be bitten by the same issue as Maatsen, Tella, THB...
anything that helps us progress is good, we can't afford to go and spend silly money given our position. It makes perfect sense to have relationships with the bigger clubs, we could be back to 5 loan players again next season.....
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:25 pm

according to the mail Sevilla wanted him...

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:27 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:09 pm
Interesting that it is made clear that there is no option to buy. Looks like we could be bitten by the same issue as Maatsen, Tella, THB...
I think given our position that doesn’t really matter if he scores ten goals between now and the end of the season to keep us up. We will thank Chelsea and get a big summer to invest in another striker
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by burnley007 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:34 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:25 pm
according to the mail Sevilla wanted him...
Wonder what made him choose us, (obviously VK would be the main reason, but I wonder who he spoke to?)

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by burnley007 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:35 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:27 pm
I think given our position that doesn’t really matter if he scores ten goals between now and the end of the season to keep us up. We will thank Chelsea and get a big summer to invest in another striker
True, but could end up again with the awkward situation of haggling with Chelsea over a price AGAIN!

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Westleigh » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:40 pm

ervi34 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:31 am
What makes you think we could sign a €80m player? Might as well go and get Van Dijk if that's the case.
If you don’t ask you don’t get.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by NewClaret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:40 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:27 pm
I think given our position that doesn’t really matter if he scores ten goals between now and the end of the season to keep us up. We will thank Chelsea and get a big summer to invest in another striker
Personally I’m not a fan of loanees over developing our own players even if it means going down. I’d rather we give them the experience, but appreciate that the board definitely won’t feel the same.

That said, I’ve seen nothing to suggest in his numbers that he gets 10 goals for us between now & the end of the season.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:43 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:34 pm
Wonder what made him choose us, (obviously VK would be the main reason, but I wonder who he spoke to?)
Sevilla wanted Fofana on loan but needed to wait for Chelsea to cancel another loan move or sell one of the seven players they have filling their limited loan spots.

Either way, let's hope the young lad hits the ground running and can make a difference for us
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Hipper » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:44 pm

https://www.teamtalk.com/chelsea/blues- ... -its-place

There was apparently also huge competition for Remco van der Schaaf!

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by FeedTheArf » Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:53 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:34 pm
Wonder what made him choose us, (obviously VK would be the main reason, but I wonder who he spoke to?)
The agent probably had a lot to do with, given what we’ve done for Maatsens career.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:02 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:40 pm
Personally I’m not a fan of loanees over developing our own players even if it means going down. I’d rather we give them the experience, but appreciate that the board definitely won’t feel the same.

That said, I’ve seen nothing to suggest in his numbers that he gets 10 goals for us between now & the end of the season.
Obviously the club don’t see much in the reserves/youth teams who they think are at this level at the moment.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Ptgclaret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:02 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:40 pm
That said, I’ve seen nothing to suggest in his numbers that he gets 10 goals for us between now & the end of the season.
Tella scored just 2 goals in 36 games for Southampton, and only 1 goal in 6 games in the Bundesliga this year.

Different surroundings can change a player - that's how I'd see it. I think he stands a good chance.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Goliath » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:12 pm

Hipper wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:44 pm
https://www.teamtalk.com/chelsea/blues- ... -its-place

There was apparently also huge competition for Remco van der Schaaf!
Im still curious about what happened there. I dont believe that he wasnt good enough but it somehow seemed to stay under wraps annoyingly.
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:15 pm

Ptgclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:02 pm
Tella scored just 2 goals in 36 games for Southampton, and only 1 goal in 6 games in the Bundesliga this year.

Different surroundings can change a player - that's how I'd see it. I think he stands a good chance.
******** stats. Tella has spent the season coming on for the last 10mins, when he got on. That doesn’t mean he’s been poor they have better players ahead of him as their league position shows.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Ptgclaret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:16 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:15 pm
******** stats. Tella has spent the season coming on for the last 10mins, when he got on. That doesn’t mean he’s been poor they have better players ahead of him as their league position shows.
Thats my point - stats don't tell a full story.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Murger » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:24 pm

Calum Chambers been told he can leave Villa. Worth a shout at RB?

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:26 pm

If we are not close to a CB
Villa have told Calum Chambers he can leave this month
Steady but not spectacular, and has also played as a holding midfielder in the past

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:29 pm

Ptgclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:16 pm
Thats my point - stats don't tell a full story.
This

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by SalisburyClaret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:30 pm

Our summer transfer window was based on stats

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by ab1882 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:42 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:53 pm
The agent probably had a lot to do with, given what we’ve done for Maatsens career.
Maatsen only joined them this week, publicly at least.

Other notable Epic Sports clients, Soumaïla Coulibaly, Tomás Araújo & Sardar Azmoun. All been linked with BFC in the media in the last handful of transfer windows.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:45 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:30 pm
Our summer transfer window was based on stats
How do you know

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Nori1958 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:46 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:38 pm
I'm not convinced he's 21
That's a bloomin small plane..
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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:46 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:09 pm
Interesting that it is made clear that there is no option to buy. Looks like we could be bitten by the same issue as Maatsen, Tella, THB...
If he makes the difference who cares. Chelsea can't afford to sell players cheaply as ffp has been pushed to the limit.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by JR1882 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:50 pm

Chambers is an upgrade in every centre back we have imo.

Fofana - lots of promise but he has had a pretty disappointing half season at Union who themselves have had a shocker, will offer some pace and physicality but he isn’t (for me) going to score 6-8 goals and keep us up.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:51 pm

Callum chambers has been a decent player but barely played any football for past 18 months

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by SalisburyClaret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:52 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:45 pm
How do you know
Our owners use their own stats based scouting software

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by RVclaret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:00 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:52 pm
Our owners use their own stats based scouting software
AI Scout? That’s for youth team recruitment and I don’t think it’s recruited any on professional contracts (yet).

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:14 pm

Murger wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:24 pm
Calum Chambers been told he can leave Villa. Worth a shout at RB?
I think Gerrard took him to Villa because of his versatility along the back four

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:15 pm

JR1882 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:50 pm
Chambers is an upgrade in every centre back we have imo.

Fofana - lots of promise but he has had a pretty disappointing half season at Union who themselves have had a shocker, will offer some pace and physicality but he isn’t (for me) going to score 6-8 goals and keep us up.
the problem is who do you get that can ?

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by SalisburyClaret » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:16 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:00 pm
AI Scout? That’s for youth team recruitment and I don’t think it’s recruited any on professional contracts (yet).
To an extent, although there are fewer stats at youth level. They also use Statsbomb IQ for the technical recruitment analysts

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by JR1882 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:19 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:15 pm
the problem is who do you get that can ?
In January, no one that represents any value, the Werner signing for spurs is very much an outlier in that sense given he doesn’t fit what RBL wish to do at this moment.

The reality is this player should have been signed in the summer, we went into the season with a then unproven Foster, a well past it Rodriguez and an injured Obafemi, at this stage you take a gamble on someone hoping a change of environment yields a change in form (as we are with Fofana) or pay top top dollar for proven talent.

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:41 pm

Would not be surprised to see Calum Chambers at Luton replacing their Capt

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Re: January transfer window rumours.

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:02 pm

Spoke with a couple of Chelsea fans at walking football session this afternoon. They describe Fofana as "erratic." However, 21 year old, aiming to prove his worth in a Premier League team, I'm sure he will add to BFC squad.

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