January transfer window rumours.

[Goliath]

Before we knocked it out of him he had 8 assists in 3 seasons at a lower level.

So about 3 a season in thr Champ and 1 aa season in the prem. That seems about right, dont think it really suggests much has been knocked out of him.

[beddie]

Benson will be needed next season, he’s a match winner.

[boatshed bill]

Sounds simple when you put it like that. The problem being our improved defending is at the cost of the possession. We cant really have both with the level of player weve got.

Yes, it certainly looks that way.

[Holtyclaret]

Why do we need a left back?

In Charlie Taylor we have a good quality Prem quality solid defender.

Whilst his attacking abilities might not be that good our major problem has been defending and he is far better than most in our defence at doing exactly that.

The problem that the club and VK in particular is doing is that we are trying to run before we can even walk. Until everyone recognises that we'll get exactly nowhere.

Because we need more than one ie. Right now with Taylor injured we have none.

[Goliath]

Yes, it certainly looks that way.

One way around it would be to be good at set pieces. It really is criminal that we're so bad at them as a team fighting for our lives.

They are the moments where the wages discrepancies and quality of player is nullified, yet we've made a mess of them all season. We got so many cheap goals that way under Dyche that helped to cover up our lack of attacking prowess from open play.

[Westleigh]

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One way around it would be to be good at set pieces. It really is criminal that we're so bad at them as a team fighting for our lives.

They are the moments where the wages discrepancies and quality of player is nullified, yet we've made a mess of them all season. We got so many cheap goals that way under Dyche that helped to cover up our lack of attacking prowess from open play.

[DCWat]

One way around it would be to be good at set pieces. It really is criminal that we're so bad at them as a team fighting for our lives.

They are the moments where the wages discrepancies and quality of player is nullified, yet we've made a mess of them all season. We got so many cheap goals that way under Dyche that helped to cover up our lack of attacking prowess from open play.

For now, I’d be happy for a throw in to be a guarantee of keeping possession.

Al-Dakhil looks like he doesn’t know what the rules are for a throw in and Vitinho, against Luton, took an age to take his throws, while gaining ten or more yards each time.

I’m amazed we’ve not been pulled up a lot for incorrectly taken throws or trying to gain too much distance from the point that the ball actually went out.

As for set plays - best time to nip for a pie and a pint!

[SalisburyClaret]

Our set plays usually put us under pressure. Any team who doesn’t take advantage of these situations is either so good it doesn’t matter or being very badly coached (to put it very politely).

[kentonclaret]

Our set plays usually put us under pressure. Any team who doesn’t take advantage of these situations is either so good it doesn’t matter or being very badly coached (to put it very politely).

I posted on here after the Luton game Burnley have been awarded around 115 corners this season but failed to score from any of them.

[Oldparkwood]

FFS can we not see that this is a friggin transfer thread!
Why is it so difficult to keep it on topic?

[randomclaret2]

I posted on here after the Luton game Burnley have been awarded around 115 corners this season but failed to score from any of them.

And with a specialist set piece coach...

[123EasyasBFC]

Thread police aren’t half annoying, someone posted a link about a winger and then someone replied about needing a full back which lead to talking about Taylor, that’s how discussions go, they go off in different tangents

[Goliath]

There is no transfers.

Anyway..im not sure we can blame the coaching, the delivery itself has been woeful so unless theyve been asking players to hit the first man then i think its more on the individuals themselves.
We also dont really have anyone that attacks the ball that well which just compunds the issue. We probably miss Harwood Bellis from that perspective.

[roperclaret]

On that I have no argument. But hopefully VK is learning that solidity needs to come first, then flair will be allowed to flourish.

I’m not sure it works like that. You just end up with two banks of four and if it works then you stick with it. We’ve seen that before.

[Goliath]

I’m not sure it works like that. You just end up with two banks of four and if it works then you stick with it. We’ve seen that before.

I think its still possible to have individual flair within the 442. Aslong as either they do the work off the ball or the system or the system covers it.

At the moment we can just about accomodate the flair of Amdouni but hes not doing enough with it. When we try to add Tresor to the mix it doesnt seem to work which makes me think it should be between Tresor/Amdouni or the more functional Rodriguez in that second striker role.

[wilks_bfc]

For now, I’d be happy for a throw in to be a guarantee of keeping possession.

Al-Dakhil looks like he doesn’t know what the rules are for a throw in and Vitinho, against Luton, took an age to take his throws, while gaining ten or more yards each time.

I’m amazed we’ve not been pulled up a lot for incorrectly taken throws or trying to gain too much distance from the point that the ball actually went out.

As for set plays - best time to nip for a pie and a pint!

Let’s be honest, we’re that **** at throw ins that there’s no point in the refs pulling them up for gaining yards as we don’t get an advantage from them

[elwaclaret]

I’m not sure it works like that. You just end up with two banks of four and if it works then you stick with it. We’ve seen that before.

No reason to have two banks of four, your full backs can be moved up and down the flanks as required… just that their primary role is to stop threat… leaving others to get on with being our main threat.

[Nonayforever]

I posted on here after the Luton game Burnley have been awarded around 115 corners this season but failed to score from any of them.

Do we have any figures for number of corners against us and how many have been converted into goals ?

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Do we have any figures for number of corners against us and how many have been converted into goals ?

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[NewClaret]

Do we have any figures for number of corners against us and how many have been converted into goals ?

I’d like to know that.

We’re much better at defending corners than we look /people think, I’d expect.

We do need to practice taking them.

And throw ins, FFS.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’d like to know that.

We’re much better at defending corners than we look /people think, I’d expect.

We do need to practice taking them.

And throw ins, FFS.

We have conceded the second most set piece goals at 8. Only Nottingham Forrest have conceded more with 9.

[NewClaret]

We have conceded the second most set piece goals at 8. Only Nottingham Forrest have conceded more with 9.

What about corners though?

[Newcastleclaret93]

What about corners though?

It doesn’t break it down.

That stat is just free kicks and corners

[bobinho]

Why do we need a left back?

In Charlie Taylor we have a good quality Prem quality solid defender.

Whilst his attacking abilities might not be that good our major problem has been defending and he is far better than most in our defence at doing exactly that.

The problem that the club and VK in particular is doing is that we are trying to run before we can even walk. Until everyone recognises that we'll get exactly nowhere.

I agree. Big problem here for me is that VK doesn't actually want a defender. Strange when you consider that VK was himself a world class defender at one point. If VK had been asked to play the way he's asking our defenders to play, he would've looked like Harry Maguire instead of the absolute machine he was.

Charlie Taylor is a very decent left back, no question.

I don't think there's that much wrong with any of what I consider to be our best defenders, just the way they are thrown together and asked to do it. I'd prefer to have a conventional back four with the players we have in this league. They could probably do what is asked of them at the lower level when the opposition aren't as good, as fit, as strong, as quick, but at this level? Just not quite good enough to play the way they've been asked.

[NewClaret]

It doesn’t break it down.

That stat is just free kicks and corners

Fair enough, would love to know as I don’t think we’re actually that bad at them. Would be surprised if we’re second bottom of that table, although can’t remember too many direct from FK’s either.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Fair enough, would love to know as I don’t think we’re actually that bad at them. Would be surprised if we’re second bottom of that table, although can’t remember too many direct from FK’s either.

Managed to find the breakdown. Burnley are actually tied with Everton for the most goals conceded from Corners at 6 this season.

[RVclaret]

Managed to find the breakdown. Burnley are actually tied with Everton for the most goals conceded from Corners at 6 this season.

Where are you finding this info?

We’ve conceded 2. 1 at Arsenal, 1 home to Everton.

[NewClaret]

Managed to find the breakdown. Burnley are actually tied with Everton for the most goals conceded from Corners at 6 this season.

Surprises me that, both that we and Everton are, given you’d expect Dyche & Tarky/Branthwaite/Pickford to know how to defend a corner.

Doesn’t give the stat by comers defended to conceded, does it? As I’d also expect we concede more than most so that is probably a more relevant stat.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Where are you finding this info?

We’ve conceded 2. 1 at Arsenal, 1 home to Everton.

Found it on here:

https://www.bettingexpert.com/news/anal ... kick-stats

[agreenwood]

We haven’t conceded 6 goals from corners in the PL this season.

Unless we’re counting balls being cleared/recycled and it being crossed back in.

[Quickenthetempo]

Where are you finding this info?

We’ve conceded 2. 1 at Arsenal, 1 home to Everton.

Was it the Notts County boss on explaining his short corners, he said it still counts as that set piece until you lose possession or it goes out of play.

Not sure if they do or not in the stats?

[Newcastleclaret93]

We haven’t conceded 6 goals from corners in the PL this season.

Unless we’re counting balls being cleared/recycled and it being crossed back in.

That potentially might be what there classing it as. Without going back through each game I honestly couldn’t tell you, we have conceded that many this season they blur in.

[Nonayforever]

6 goals is obviously a lot, but if that's from 200 corners, then it's a figure I could live with.
Cut down the number of corners conceded equals conceding less goals.

[burnley007]

This has to be the dullest thread in the history of Clarets Mad.

[claptrappers_union]

Just post the names of players we are linked with as topics then we can discuss them.

[agreenwood]

That potentially might be what there classing it as. Without going back through each game I honestly couldn’t tell you, we have conceded that many this season they blur in.

Even then I don’t think it’s 6 in the league. Arsenal and Everton are the only two I can remember.

[NewClaret]

Even then I don’t think it’s 6 in the league. Arsenal and Everton are the only two I can remember.

Yes, I definitely think we’ve had a lot of corners against us, not conceded many and defended most pretty well. I think the whole “we can’t defend corners” argument is something imagined by fans.

We’re definitely not very good at taking/scoring from them though.

[Rileybobs]

Even then I don’t think it’s 6 in the league. Arsenal and Everton are the only two I can remember.

Man City.

[Goliath]

I think its more specific than 'we cant defend corners'.

Generally we arent too bad but the ones where teams stick everyone in the 6 yard box around Trafford and then stick the ball right under the cross bar we are dreadful at. Trafford completely panics because he allows the opposition players to dictate his position rather than being proactive, the defenders seem to get caught out with all the blocking and we we end up at sixes at sevens with Trafford making a desperate flap to try and rescue it.

[agreenwood]

Man City.

Of a fashion. There’s about half a dozen passes after the corner is taken.

https://youtu.be/BHT6tBxcaNQ?si=BsCb34sDrcnLZ2BG

[Carlos the Great]

Looks like another of our championship winning team is being targeted by a host of clubs ,, I get the feeling they can’t believe we are letting him go ,, Benson can change games ,, win games score goals ,,we won’t be getting 20m that he is worth ,, be interesting to see how this policy of turning players into huge profits will pan out ,,,

[Carlos the Great]

Just to add its saying benson is a bit part player and an impact sub .. but for me was one of our brightest prospects that wasn’t given a chance in the premier league .. it’s no coincidence he has so many suitors …

[jojomk1]

Tresor, JBG, Redmond and Larsen are all considered better than Benson by our manager - you could probably add Vimto into that if we had a better RB
Just take the money, any money, if he is just filling a space in our large, unbalanced squad

[Newcastleclaret93]

Tresor, JBG, Redmond and Larsen are all considered better than Benson by our manager - you could probably add Vimto into that if we had a better RB
Just take the money, any money, if he is just filling a space in our large, unbalanced squad

The funny thing is none of them players are fit to lace bensons boots either.

[Ampth7]

The funny thing is none of them players are fit to lace bensons boots either.

It’s just bizarre how Benny gets no game time when so-called upgrades contribute absolutely nothing!?

Here’s another thing that me and my kids were talking about briefly last night; why don’t the journalists ask VK a direct question about Benson? Something along the lines of ‘Vinny, last season Benson scored some absolute worldies, terrified full backs every week, but yet he’s only played 4 minutes all season, can you explain why he never gets a chance please?
I only say this, because I genuinely want to know VK’s thinking with this so I can try to understand.

[Grahamjack]

I get the feeling no one dare ask the obvious question!!!

The same question applies to several players from last season that won the championship by a country mile.

Every manager in the history of the game has given the team that got you promoted an opportunity!!

VK knows best 100 hours and they will know the system!! They will get better week on week!!

I feel it has taken 15 games of rubbish to now have a vaguely competitive starting 11. At least now we are in most games.

I really do not see how last seasons team would have faired any worse.

[StayingDown4Ever]

It’s just bizarre how Benny gets no game time when so-called upgrades contribute absolutely nothing!?

Here’s another thing that me and my kids were talking about briefly last night; why don’t the journalists ask VK a direct question about Benson? Something along the lines of ‘Vinny, last season Benson scored some absolute worldies, terrified full backs every week, but yet he’s only played 4 minutes all season, can you explain why he never gets a chance please?
I only say this, because I genuinely want to know VK’s thinking with this so I can try to understand.

Whilst I’d love to know more than anyone - maybe if the answer is something like “he’s always late for training, awful attitude and constantly injured” then it would somewhat reduce the amount we could get for him when we offload him.

It won’t be anywhere near the £40,000,000 some were saying he’s worth though

Perhaps Vincent will explain once the deal is all signed off.

[TheFamilyCat]

It’s just bizarre how Benny gets no game time when so-called upgrades contribute absolutely nothing!?

Here’s another thing that me and my kids were talking about briefly last night; why don’t the journalists ask VK a direct question about Benson? Something along the lines of ‘Vinny, last season Benson scored some absolute worldies, terrified full backs every week, but yet he’s only played 4 minutes all season, can you explain why he never gets a chance please?
I only say this, because I genuinely want to know VK’s thinking with this so I can try to understand.

A bit of rewriting of history going on here. Benson wasn't a regular starter in the Championship. (14 starts, 19 sub appearances).

[claretonthecoast1882]

Is there a reason why the only clubs linked with Benson all want to borrow him rather than pay or him and are in the Championship. Reading some of the comments its like we have Arjen Robben on the bench.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Is there a reason why the only clubs linked with Benson all want to borrow him rather than pay or him and are in the Championship. Reading some of the comments its like we have Arjen Robben on the bench.

He’s been linked with clubs that are likely going to be in a league above us in 4-5 months. Plus nearly all of them what I can see include a deal to buy the player.

Compared to our current wingers he is Arjen Robben