Koleosho injury

[burnley007]

Any updates yet?

Very worrying. We desperately need him.

[Kilson810]

Not seen anything yet, but praying for the best.

[Rowls]

Hopefully it's a mild knock or a minor twist.

It ought not to be a muscle pull as that isn't something a player should be trying to run off as he did.

Fingers crossed for him.

[Murger]

It’s a poor do when we’re reliant on a 19 year old.

[Florian]

We dont desp need him at all
Yes hes a great playmaker but odobert can do just as much

[Newcastleclaret93]

We dont desp need him at all
Yes hes a great playmaker but odobert can do just as much

Koleosho is our best attacking outlet by some distance. Yesterday was telling, as soon as he went off we offered nothing

[gandhisflipflop]

Koleosho is our best attacking outlet by some distance. Yesterday was telling, as soon as he went off we offered nothing

And had we had put on an odobert or a zaroury we would have still have had an outlet

[NewClaret]

Absolutely praying it was precautionary.

He immediately signalled to be subbed, then thumbs up, then taken off.

Worrying how lacklustre we looked without him. Seemed to just give Wolves the freedom to attack us.

Easy to say JBG wasn’t the answer with hindsight but he was also one of our best players before being dropped (arguably a bit harshly) so I can understand why he was first pick off the bench. Didn’t work though.

[NewClaret]

And had we had put on an odobert or a zaroury we would have still have had an outlet

Think that was crying out for Odobert.

Just don’t think VK trusts tgem (the other young wingers) to do the defensive work. Hard to argue given we conceded two from Zaroury’s side vs West Ham pretty much as soon as he came on.

[FCBurnley]

Koleosho has been improving with every game and has been our outstanding attacking player for at least the last 3 games. Once he was subbed last night we never had the pace to trouble Wolves defense. Surely Zaroury should have replaced him rather than having to move Larsen to the left and bring JBG in on the right. Perfect chance to see what Zaroury could do at this level

[gandhisflipflop]

Think that was crying out for Odobert.

Just don’t think VK trusts tgem (the other young wingers) to do the defensive work. Hard to argue given we conceded two from Zaroury’s side vs West Ham pretty much as soon as he came on.

The change of shape was responsible for the collapse against West Ham not zaroury

[StayingDown4Ever]

Think that was crying out for Odobert.

Just don’t think VK trusts tgem (the other young wingers) to do the defensive work. Hard to argue given we conceded two from Zaroury’s side vs West Ham pretty much as soon as he came on.

What’s the point in him being here then? Should have sold him when people said he was worth £40,000,000

[nil_desperandum]

And had we had put on an odobert or a zaroury we would have still have had an outlet

Totally agree, and:
Redmond was another option (after his performance on Saturday)
Bringing on JBG was as baffling as bringing Cullen on against WHU

[Jakubs Tash]

Amazing how many people are using hindsight to suggest JBG was the wrong sub.

[RVclaret]

Amazing how many people are using hindsight to suggest JBG was the wrong sub.

Hindsight always wins

[bumba]

Amazing how many people are using hindsight to suggest JBG was the wrong sub.

I shouted at the TV the moment I saw it was JBG, it allowed Wolves to push up and not fear any pace

[Jakubs Tash]

Rather than say JBG was the wrong sub, it would probably be more relevant to ask why VK couldn’t see that this change took our only outlet away and we lacked pace. Surely 10-15 minutes after this change he could see this himself (like we all could) and should’ve then acted on it accordingly by replacing JBL or Rodriguez.

The lack of proactive changes by our manager was one of the most frustrating parts of last night.

[FCBurnley]

For such a brilliant player it is hard to understand how sometimes VK gets it so wrong. Also what on earth was the point of bringing on the 2 subs in the last minute ? 10 mins earlier and bring on Ramsey to try and unlock their defense I could understand but the super late subs were just weird

[burnley007]

Koleosho adds so much to our play. His pace scares defenders, making them drop deeper, giving players like Amdouni space to work in.

We need him back.
(and Lyle!)

[jedi_master]

Unrelated, but related, where was Obafemi? He had done really well in his cameo against Sheff Utd and would have been perfect to bring on for JBG and stretch them in a Tella style right wing/inside forward role.

[spt_claret]

Unrelated, but related, where was Obafemi? He had done really well in his cameo against Sheff Utd and would have been perfect to bring on for JBG and stretch them in a Tella style right wing/inside forward role.

This baffles me.
People were saying even last season that Obafemi was likely signed as Tella's permanent replacement.
Over the summer he gets hurt, we don't re-sign Tella due to the pricetag, but no equivalent comes in.
"No worries, Obafemi will play that role" is the logical thing to think, we're having all kinds of problems and having to play differently without that equivalent so you figure soon as he's fit, he'll get a chance.

He gets an ultra late sub vs West Ham, a late sub vs Sheffield, and then isn't on the bench. Got to assume he's hurt again because can't see why we'd have 4 wingers and no striker on the bench if he's not, especially when he's the only player except maybe Larsen (did it vs Sheffield) who you'd think can play that inside right role.

[FCBurnley]

The lack of information from the club re injuries is very frustrating. I get they cannot speak about certain things but if a player has a virus is a slight knock then tell us At the end of the day we are the customers

[Colburn_Claret]

We dont desp need him at all
Yes hes a great playmaker but odobert can do just as much

It doesn't matter if Odobert can do as much, because VK won't pick him.
Ridiculous not to swap him for Koleosho, 2 mins ffs.

Sometimes Vk comes across as very, very intelligent. Other times he just leaves you shaking your head. He talks a great game, but so far this season he's failed miserably to turn the talk into action. On the pitch, where it matters, he's having his arse handed to him.

[boyyanno]

Hindsight always wins

To be fair I was at the game last night and the majority of fans around me were baffled that it was JBG coming on.

[Big Vinny K]

Nothing to do with hindsight.
Many supporters thought it was the wrong sub at the time. Koleosho had played well and caused them problems - they were playing their reserve full backs because of injuries.
The most logical substitute was a like for like replacement.

JBG of all of our wide options on the bench was the least like for like replacement and with Brun Larsen having a bit of a mare it was even more baffling that we were not bringing on a winger who could have a go at their full back.

[RVclaret]

To be fair I was at the game last night and the majority of fans around me were baffled that it was JBG coming on.

Fair enough, I wasn’t. I was thinking he might even start given he’s a solid option for away games and played well at Arsenal the other week. Bruun Larsen was quite direct/offered movement in behind v Sheff Utd and many on here were singing his praises about this in particular so giving him a go on his (more natural) left side kinda made sense. Anyway I would say we still played well with JBG on in the first half and had our best chance of the game which he actually set up?

[Florian]

Anybody with a clue about football know our better players and the best position

And the ones who should directly replace an injured player

I could pick a team week in week out

[boyyanno]

Fair enough, I wasn’t. I was thinking he might even start given he’s a solid option for away games and played well at Arsenal the other week. Bruun Larsen was quite direct/offered movement in behind v Sheff Utd and many on here were singing his praises about this in particular so giving him a go on his (more natural) left side kinda made sense. Anyway I would say we still played well with JBG on in the first half and had our best chance of the game which he actually set up?

I like JGB don't get me wrong. He's definitely a more composed footballer than Koleosho but I think yesterday we were having good success running at the man and this in-turn helps to keep teams back, relieves pressure on the back four and prevents the opposition from overloading us (as they always have to be worried about his threat).

In some ways I thought we played the first half more similar to the Sheff game as we had a more aggressive attacking style and Koleosho is a massive feature of that. I just think Kompany should have tried to keep that balance with the sub.

[Jakubs Tash]

Koleosho had played well and caused them problems - they were playing their reserve full backs because of injuries.

Semedo is their reserve right back? I thought he was first choice but happy to be corrected.

The point is that, at 0-0 and playing quite well, JBG wasn’t a ludicrous choice of sub given his experience and ability to protect his fullback more than say an Odobert or a Tresor. I think it was a conservative substitution rather than an attacking sub but you can see the logic.

With the way JBL was playing you could quite easily have brought a quicker winger on for him a lot earlier than we did.

[Luppy]

Not good news......

[Fretters]

Out for most of the season. Why did he play on??

[Big Vinny K]

Semedo is their reserve right back? I thought he was first choice but happy to be corrected.

The point is that, at 0-0 and playing quite well, JBG wasn’t a ludicrous choice of sub given his experience and ability to protect his fullback more than say an Odobert or a Tresor. I think it was a conservative substitution rather than an attacking sub but you can see the logic.

With the way JBL was playing you could quite easily have brought a quicker winger on for him a lot earlier than we did.

Yep you are right. I heard their manager saying that they had a number of injuries and remember Ait Nouri coming off with an injury a few weeks ago. He plays on the opposite side to Koleosho.

Agree that there is some logic to bringing on JBG but also think that when teams are not at their best like Wolves definitely were not in that first half that you need to keep the momentum going and try and get at their full backs.
Maybe like you say bringing on a JBG with say Odobert and taking off JBL after 60 mins would have been better.

I’m not in the camp that Wolves were there for the taking. They have a good manager and in Cunha they have a really good player who could have done to us what he’s done to many teams already.
I think we were playing well and they were struggling a little with their own fluidity and to get their forwards going. They played better in second half but it was one bad mistake that cost us in the end together with not capitalising on their very similar mistake in the first half.

Of course some of our fans prefer to focus on the second half rather than the first !!

[aggi]

Amazing how many people are using hindsight to suggest JBG was the wrong sub.

My comment at the time was Thought we might have gone with one of the more attacking wingers with that sub

I think most see Brun Larsen and JBG as replacements for each other and out of the 4 wingers on the bench JBG was probably the least attacking option, replacing our most attacking winger.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Out for most of the season. Why did he play on??

Assume it’s an ACL injury?

That is horrendous news. Our best two attackers out for potentially the whole season.

[ArmchairDetective]

He's a young lad. If he's not had that kind of injury before he may well have not been able to recognise what was going on. If I was having a breakthrough season as a 19 year old in the Premier League I'd want to try and play on too.

Just hoping he gets all the support and rehabilitation he needs, which I'm sure he will. He's a star in the making and clearly valued very highly. Looking forward to seeing him terrifying defenders again when he's back. All the best Luca.

[RVclaret]

Assume it’s an ACL injury?

That is horrendous news. Our best two attackers out for potentially the whole season.

Terrible news. Not just the two best attackers but also the only two (Obafemi aside) who have pace to break lines in behind.

[jrgbfc]

This season just goes from bad to worse. Time for the likes of Tresor, Zaroury and Odobert to step up.

[Swizzlestick]

Bad news for us but absolutely gutted for the lad. Must be devastated. He was really beginning to take off in this league. Hope his rehab goes well and he’s back better than ever.

[Fretters]

He's a young lad. If he's not had that kind of injury before he may well have not been able to recognise what was going on. If I was having a breakthrough season as a 19 year old in the Premier League I'd want to try and play on too.

Just hoping he gets all the support and rehabilitation he needs, which I'm sure he will. He's a star in the making and clearly valued very highly. Looking forward to seeing him terrifying defenders again when he's back. All the best Luca.

My question really should have been 'why was he allowed to play on?' Any pain in the knee following an innocuous incident is often a red flag, not that I'm any sort of expert in the slightest! We just seem to be hit by these injuries a lot to key players down the years.

[ArmchairDetective]

Ah. That is a good question.

I heard rumours a while ago about the surface we use at the training ground maybe playing some part in these injuries. No idea whether there's any truth in that. Be interested to know whether we get more ligament injuries than other teams.

[gawthorpe_view]

Out for most of the season. Why did he play on??

Has this been confirmed by anyone at the club?

[RVclaret]

Has this been confirmed by anyone at the club?

Yes, the manager

[Swizzlestick]

Has this been confirmed by anyone at the club?

Kompany just said it

[Big Vinny K]

I thought the surfaces we use at the training ground were the same as the Turf ? I know we spent a lot of money on them under Dyche to get the pitches for all the teams as good as possible and the main training pitch outside the building was I thought exactly the same as Turf in terms of size and grass

At a training ground tour I went to Dyche said the first team squad did not use the indoor artificial pitch because of potential injuries.

[Rowls]

Oh no. Awful news for the young lad. Gutted for him.

[superdimitri]

That's assuming when he comes back he'll be as good. Medicine is amazing these days but there's still plenty of players not the same after such bad injuries.

[Clive 1960]

Bad news for the young lad but hopefully a chance for Benson or Zaroury to make a claim..

[ClaretTony]

My question really should have been 'why was he allowed to play on?' Any pain in the knee following an innocuous incident is often a red flag, not that I'm any sort of expert in the slightest! We just seem to be hit by these injuries a lot to key players down the years.

Sam Vokes played on with his in 2014, Lukas Jutkiewicz with his in 2015 as did Dean Marney with his first one. Back in 1974, Frank Casper played in the FA Cup semi-final a week after sustaining his at Leeds.

I think that answers you 'Why was he allowed to play on' question.

[burnley007]

That's assuming when he comes back he'll be as good. Medicine is amazing these days but there's still plenty of players not the same after such bad injuries.

Jay never fully recovered from his.

[burnley007]

Sam Vokes played on with his in 2014, Lukas Jutkiewicz with his in 2015 as did Dean Marney with his first one. Back in 1974, Frank Casper played in the FA Cup semi-final a week after sustaining his at Leeds.

I think that answers you 'Why was he allowed to play on' question.

As did Bashley.