Does Pace regret ?

[Westleigh]

Hindsight’s a wonderful thing I wonder if Pace wishes he’d given Sean Dyche £100 mill?

[gandhisflipflop]

Your lack of footballing knowledge is staggering.

[Quickenthetempo]

We played like a Dyche team yesterday, so he won't miss him too much.

[Nori1958]

Hindsight’s a wonderful thing I wonder if Pace wishes he’d given Sean Dyche £100 mill?

Let's see if Everton give him 100m and see what happens

Glad it's taken most of the day to think of something negative to posr

[Westleigh]

Your lack of footballing knowledge is staggering.

That didn’t take long did it?

[Kilson810]

We could have finally got the deal for Lansbury over the line! All jokes aside it would have been very interesting to see who Dyche would have signed had he got that money. Callum Wilson and Doucoure are a few names that I reckon he would have looked at.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If Dyche had been given the 100m we would probably be mid table right now.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Your lack of footballing knowledge is staggering.

A manager that achieved two top half premier league finishes, including a European stint on pennys.

I would suggest it’s yourself that lacks football knowledge

[RVclaret]

Pace gave Dyche 45m in transfers, signed 2 Champions League players and spent 95m in wages (largest ever) and we were bloody garbage.

Kompany has spent 80-90m and 60-70m on wages. Will work out similar in total.

[NewClaret]

If Dyche had been given the 100m we would probably be mid table right now.

Out of interest, have you forgotten that you slagged Dyche off to the high heavens when he was here?

[gandhisflipflop]

A manager that achieved two top half premier league finishes, including a European stint on pennys.

I would suggest it’s yourself that lacks football knowledge

Well then you would be wrong, not for the first time.

[ksrclaret]

Dyche typically preferred players with Premier League experience around the 24-28 age bracket. In his time with us, we just couldn't afford that so he compromised by signing younger players from the Championship and then older pros with the PL experience.

With £100m to spend I think he'd have signed 4 or 5 players of real PL quality and we'd obviously be doing a hell of a lot better.

[Westleigh]

A manager that achieved two top half premier league finishes, including a European stint on pennys.

I would suggest it’s yourself that lacks football knowledge

Just hearing Everton had beat Chelsea 2-0 and lots of Toffee’s are changing their mind about him so wondered what other Clarets thought but you always get someone who wants to have a dig and feel superior ,well said Newcastle.

[Stayingup]

Pace gave Dyche 45m in transfers, signed 2 Champions League players and spent 95m in wages (largest ever) and we were bloody garbage.

Kompany has spent 80-90m and 60-70m on wages. Will work out similar in total.

Yes but are you sure THEY were Dyche signings these two CL players? I'm not. Dyche in his tenure did sign some good players- and some for not much money. And some that enabled the 100 million to be spent by VK.

[NewClaret]

This is all completely irrelevant because a players cost is not just their transfer fee but wages as well. We don’t know what the considerably younger, unproven an inexperienced players are costing in wages, but it’s likely significantly lower.

If you can’t work that out without being told, you really are a bit thick.

[Elizabeth]

It was time for Dyche to move on from the club. Delighted he is doing so well at Everton. Top manager.

[KRBFC]

Dyches best signings were typically low value, the Hendrick, Weghorst, Brady, Gibson, Vydra, Rodriguez, Collins signings were his worst signings.

[Westleigh]

VK’s signings have yet to prove themselves at top level,and even though Sean may have signed one or two senior citizen I don’t think anyone can complain about Tarks ,Heaton ,Pope,Arfield,Jones et al.

[spt_claret]

Out of interest, have you forgotten that you slagged Dyche off to the high heavens when he was here?

If we're only allowed to say this if we backed Dyche consistently then I'll say it. Dyche would have achieved more with that level of budget but more importantly that level of trust. There were reports that Pace was getting involved in picking players rather than Dyche and his own scouting and analytics team, Kompany has been handed the entire club down to his own company running the scouting department now. I agree with giving managers that level of faith, I understand what we're doing can take time, I think Kompany has the capability to be a top top manager provided he can avoid dogmatic thinking, stubbornness in selections or tactics, and can get better at reading a game and reacting with subs or system tweaks to manage or gain control.
I think Kompany as he is now Vs Dyche now, Dyche would be doing better with the same resources and trust here.
However I still think we have the capacity to beat Everton up next and get ourselves back in a shot at survival, but I think it will need some rethinking from what's not worked against anyone but Sheffield and Luton.

[Westleigh]

Dyches best signings were typically low value, the Hendrick, Weghorst, Brady, Gibson, Vydra, Rodriguez, Collins signings were his worst signings.

Agree on some of them but Brady was so unlucky with the bad injury ,and I think most fans liked Vydra it was Dyche who changed his mind about him,and Collins has played a dozen games for Brentford.

[Goodclaret]

It was time for Dyche to move on from the club. Delighted he is doing so well at Everton. Top manager.

Definitely this for me. I loved Dyche and was gutted he was potted at the time but it was, with hindsight, the time to part ways. He is, however, a very good manager; you don't achieve what he did here without being. Now Everton are clearly not going to be our relegation rivals I hope he does fantastic there.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Pace gave Dyche 45m in transfers, signed 2 Champions League players and spent 95m in wages (largest ever) and we were bloody garbage.

Kompany has spent 80-90m and 60-70m on wages. Will work out similar in total.

Pace gave Dyche 45m across 3 windows and it also included the sale of our star striker.

VK has had around 100m in one window.

If Pace had given Dyche 100m in that window we would have stayed up and would more than likely be mid table now.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well then you would be wrong, not for the first time.

Coming from the bloke who I don’t think has ever got anything right, constantly on the wrong side of the argument

[tarkys_ears]

Dyche had about £1bn in total spend in order to end up relegated with a worthless, knackered, old squad.

Buying and selling isn't his forte unfortunately.

[spt_claret]

Dyches best signings were typically low value, the Hendrick, Weghorst, Brady, Gibson, Vydra, Rodriguez, Collins signings were his worst signings.

Hendrick was a very underrated player for us who was called on in three different roles. Think he was worth it.
Brady was decent before his injury and had a short run of real promise, afterwards, abysmal. Agree not worth it.
Jay was good that first season back but poor since. Made sense at the time but declined fast and stayed too long, but he had another injury which couldn't have been predicted.
Weghorst could have been something and had moments but was never a Wood replacement he was very obviously shortlisted as a Jay replacement but signed because he was the one sanctioned by Pace/available at the time. Anyone actually familiar with his playstyle would know and he was scouted before signing. Seferovic who we were also linked with would have been the more natural Wood replacement, our setup was thrown off and Dyche didn't adapt it unfortunately.
Collins wasn't what we needed at all at the time, too inexperienced and young then, but fit the Pace Model.
Vydra, always wanted to see more but agree not value for money at all.
Gibson aye, disaster.

[Goodclaret]

Dyche had about £1bn in total spend in order to end up relegated with a worthless, knackered, old squad.

Buying and selling isn't his forte unfortunately.

Wow. Just, wow.

And not in a positive way, I assure you.

[KRBFC]

VK hasn’t spent £100m, and even if he did it’s no way comparable to giving Dyche £100m. VK has had to build a full squad, you’re talking about giving Dyche £100m to spend whilst having Cornet, McNeil, Mee, Pope, Collins is a different thing.

VK had to sell those players to build a new squad because Dyche failed with those players ultimately and got us relegated.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Hendrick was a very underrated player for us who was called on in three different roles. Think he was worth it.
Brady was decent before his injury and had a short run of real promise, afterwards, abysmal. Agree not worth it.
Jay was good that first season back but poor since. Made sense at the time but declined fast and stayed too long, but he had another injury which couldn't have been predicted.
Weghorst could have been something and had moments but was never a Wood replacement he was very obviously shortlisted as a Jay replacement but signed because he was the one sanctioned by Pace/available at the time. Anyone actually familiar with his playstyle would know and he was scouted before signing. Seferovic who we were also linked with would have been the more natural Wood replacement, our setup was thrown off and Dyche didn't adapt it unfortunately.
Collins wasn't what we needed at all at the time, too inexperienced and young then, but fit the Pace Model.
Vydra, always wanted to see more but agree not value for money at all.
Gibson aye, disaster.

In regards to Gibson, he was just unfortunate

Mee had lost form but wasn’t dropped and Gibson clearly couldn’t handle sitting on the bench when the guy ahead of him was playing so poorly

[KRBFC]

Hendrick was a very underrated player for us who was called on in three different roles. Think he was worth it.
Brady was decent before his injury and had a short run of real promise, afterwards, abysmal. Agree not worth it.
Jay was good that first season back but poor since. Made sense at the time but declined fast and stayed too long, but he had another injury which couldn't have been predicted.
Weghorst could have been something and had moments but was never a Wood replacement he was very obviously shortlisted as a Jay replacement but signed because he was the one sanctioned by Pace/available at the time. Anyone actually familiar with his playstyle would know and he was scouted before signing. Seferovic who we were also linked with would have been the more natural Wood replacement, our setup was thrown off and Dyche didn't adapt it unfortunately.
Collins wasn't what we needed at all at the time, too inexperienced and young then, but fit the Pace Model.
Vydra, always wanted to see more but agree not value for money at all.
Gibson aye, disaster.

I think you missed the point, I didn’t say those were all bad players/signings, said Dyches best business was typically low fee signings. Non of those listed compare to the signings of Pope, Heaton, Ward, Lowton, Tarkowski. Etc

[spt_claret]

In regards to Gibson, he was just unfortunate

Mee had lost form but wasn’t dropped and Gibson clearly couldn’t handle sitting on the bench when the guy ahead of him was playing so poorly

Mee hadn't lost form, total pub myth his number of goal line clearances and blocks that season was staggering. The defence wasn't organising nearly as well. People think Hart was unfairly maligned because he rarely made outright howlers of his own but he couldn't marshall his defence or communicate at all, Heaton returning wasn't just a confidence boost he organised his defence

[CoolClaret]

I find it more hilarious how the only way we look remotely like getting a result under VK in this division is playing a 4-4-2 and a bit more direct.

The irony isn’t lost on me one jot - nor are the superlatives given for some of our performances this year where they’d be crucified off the same lot under the previous regime.

Lol @ people bashing the signings like Hendrick, only got a casual 120 odd apps in the Premier League for us.

[bumba]

Let's see if Everton give him 100m and see what happens

Glad it's taken most of the day to think of something negative to posr

The same Dyche that would be 1 point away from European places at Everton if it wasn't for the 12 point deduction even without spending £100 million?
He'd get them to Europe

[RVclaret]

I find it more hilarious how the only way we look remotely like getting a result under VK in this division is playing a 4-4-2 and a bit more direct.

The irony isn’t lost on me one jot.

Half our points have come from a 4-3-3?

[Bosscat]

The same Dyche that would be 1 point away from European places at Everton if it wasn't for the 10 point deduction even without spending £100 million?
He'd get them to Europe

[Hapag Lloyd]

Dyche had about £1bn in total spend in order to end up relegated with a worthless, knackered, old squad.

Buying and selling isn't his forte unfortunately.

[CoolClaret]

Half our points have come from a 4-3-3?

Apologies, should have added ‘against an established PL team’

Not having that Forest are that btw

[NewClaret]

Pace gave Dyche 45m across 3 windows and it also included the sale of our star striker.

VK has had around 100m in one window.

If Pace had given Dyche 100m in that window we would have stayed up and would more than likely be mid table now.

No comment on why your opinions on Dyche have shifted so dramatically? Bit of revisionism going on here.

You have a point that his investment was staged, but have you ever questioned why that money wasn’t available to Dyche and why?

I’d hazard a guess that it was because Pace could not secure the outside investment in the club at that point, most likely because our brand, footballing style, historic transfer strategy and precarious league position - all of which Dyche had a part in creating - were simply not investable.

I am not knocking him by the way - he did a great job for us in challenging circumstances and should rightly be applauded and lauded by a united Turf next week - but there’s a more complex picture of cause and effect here that makes this type of thread and debate embarrassing.

[CoolClaret]

Dyche had about £1bn in total spend in order to end up relegated with a worthless, knackered, old squad.

Buying and selling isn't his forte unfortunately.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How much did revenue did he bring in from 7 seasons in the PL?!

Forgetting the fact last seasons title charge was on the back of selling Dyche’s players? 20+ mill on McNeil more or less pure profit.

[NewClaret]

I find it more hilarious how the only way we look remotely like getting a result under VK in this division is playing a 4-4-2 and a bit more direct.

The irony isn’t lost on me one jot - nor are the superlatives given for some of our performances this year where they’d be crucified off the same lot under the previous regime.

Lol @ people bashing the signings like Hendrick, only got a casual 120 odd apps in the Premier League for us.

If I were Kompany I’d be watching Dyche and Everton more than anyone to learn how to play in the PL, but I don’t want us to become a side that plays like we used to though.

A balance and mix between the two styles, if he could pull it off, could be effective and joyous in equal measure.

[Westleigh]

Dyche had about £1bn in total spend in order to end up relegated with a worthless, knackered, old squad.

Buying and selling isn't his forte unfortunately.

You mean the knackered old squad like Pope,Tarks,McNeil,Collins ,Woods ,Cornet who are all playing in the Premier League ?

[Newcastleclaret93]

No comment on why your opinions on Dyche have shifted so dramatically? Bit of revisionism going on here.

You have a point that his investment was staged, but have you ever questioned why that money wasn’t available to Dyche and why?

I’d hazard a guess that it was because Pace could not secure the outside investment in the club at that point, most likely because our brand, footballing style, historic transfer strategy and precarious league position - all of which Dyche had a part in creating - were simply not investable.

I am not knocking him by the way - he did a great job for us in challenging circumstances and should rightly be applauded and lauded by a united Turf next week - but there’s a more complex picture of cause and effect here that makes this type of thread and debate embarrassing.

That point is going to be quite null (in relation to brand and style) when we are slogging it out in the championship again. Which might I add will be Paces second relegation.

[ksrclaret]

Apologies, should have added ‘against an established PL team’

Not having that Forest are that btw

Forest away was probably the best we've looked for 90 minutes and we really should have won. We had real control of the game.

I really thought that would be the blueprint for the rest of the season but we've since lurched from total implosion to toothless but more solid performances.

[spt_claret]

I think you missed the point, I didn’t say those were all bad players/signings, said Dyches best business was typically low fee signings. Non of those listed compare to the signings of Pope, Heaton, Ward, Lowton, Tarkowski. Etc

On that I'd agree except I do think Hendrick always deserved a lot more credit

[CoolClaret]

If I were Kompany I’d be watching Dyche and Everton more than anyone to learn how to play in the PL, but I don’t want us to become a side that plays like we used to though.

A balance and mix between the two styles, if he could pull it off, could be effective and joyous in equal measure.

Again, the irony is not lost on me at all.

Asking total football purist VK to take a leaf out of dinosaur Dyche’s book.

Almost like we mixed it up quite a bit until the end of his tenure, no?

[CoolClaret]

Dyche gets absolutely crucified for the Gibson signing when we absolutely needed a 3rd choice center half not named Kevin Long.

It didn’t work out but you can hardly say it was poorly thought out. Left sided center half, captain of his previous club and was young.

Kompany routinely leaves players out of the matchday squad of a similar fee - people also like to quote the full potential fee of that one (15 mill) but are quick to pull posters up if they quote the full potential fee of any of VKs signings

[boatshed bill]

I wish people could let go.

[Boss Hogg]

Dyche deserves a lot of credit for managing under quite a restrictive budget under Garlick. Of course we don’t know how large the wages were but it looked a struggle when we signed Dale Stephens and when we lined up with loads of youngsters and a desperately weak team at Leicester City. The team weaknesses were obvious but once the Chairman was focused on lining his own pockets it would have been a struggle for any manager. I’m not sure even VK could have managed under that regime.

[Stayingup]

Dyche had about £1bn in total spend in order to end up relegated with a worthless, knackered, old squad.

Buying and selling isn't his forte unfortunately.

Yes and Heaton, Pope, Tarkowski, Barnes, Barton, JBG, Wood and many others were shocking signings. I think you need to get real. He was starved of funds as the club coffers were swelled for the eventual sale by the then board.

[boatshed bill]

Yes and Heaton, Pope, Tarkowski, Barnes, Barton, JBG, Wood and many others were shocking signings. I think you need to get real. He was starved of funds as the club coffers were swelled for the eventual sale by the then board.

Just as well because under a more expansive level of spending we may not have attracted a buyer.

[NewClaret]

That point is going to be quite null (in relation to brand and style) when we are slogging it out in the championship again. Which might I add will be Paces second relegation.

So no response to any of my points then Newcastle?