Everton fans in home end

[Devils_Advocate]

A friend of mine who still lives in Burnley and sits in JHU emailed the club about this and has received a response this morning apologising and guaranteeing that they wont be any Everton fans allowed into the home sections for the rest of the season.

I think that is a really good response from the club and maybe its time for people to let this one go.

[claptrappers_union]

A friend of mine who still lives in Burnley and sits in JHU emailed the club about this and has received a response this morning apologising and guaranteeing that they wont be any Everton fans allowed into the home sections for the rest of the season.

I think that is a really good response from the club and maybe its time for people to let this one go.

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[randomclaret2]

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There no " not sure " where Devils Advocate is concerned

[SalisburyClaret]

It looks like the investigation has been done. The pre-match advice for the Jimmy Mac has been updated - it also mentions tagedy chanting which it never has before. They're clearly expecting a lot of Scousers.

Burnley F.C. v Liverpool F.C.
Tuesday 26th December 2023, 1730 Kick-off
Please be aware that failure to adhere to the dress code may result in refusal of admission.
To maintain the integrity of the dress code, guests who wear a replica shirt under any jacket,
coat, jumper, etc., and later remove the outer garment will also be asked to leave.
Away Fans
Our hospitality lounges are mixed with home and away fans. If you are a supporter of the away
side, then we ask that you are respectful of this and act discreetly in the support of your team,
celebrations are to be kept to a minimum should the opposition team score as you are situated
in the home end of the stadium.
If any guests are negatively affecting the experience of others, may be asked to leave the
stadium. Please note if you are ejected, the lead booker may receive a Turf Moor stadium ban
and your home club will be notified if relevant.
Home Fans
We ask home fans to refrain from any behaviour or chanting meant to antagonise away
supporters. This includes but is not limited to tragedy chanting which Burnley FC have a zero-
tolerance policy towards.

If that’s the result of the “investigation” then they have made a bad situation far worse

[CoolClaret]

If that’s the result of the “investigation” then they have made a bad situation far worse

Love how the outcome of the investigation is basically pre-warning Burnley fans when it's their complete **** up that's led to this in the first place.

Get that clown Russell Ball potted, please.

[Newcastleclaret93]

That can’t be the result of the investigation?

It doesn’t actually say how so many scoursers got in?

[bobinho]

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There is of course, another option entirely. I’d suggest that’s the one.

[Murger]

That statement basically says that the home fans better behave themselves when the permanent victims come to town. We can’t be upsetting the scousers can we?

[Leisure]

It looks like the investigation has been done. The pre-match advice for the Jimmy Mac has been updated - it also mentions tagedy chanting which it never has before. They're clearly expecting a lot of Scousers.

Burnley F.C. v Liverpool F.C.
Tuesday 26th December 2023, 1730 Kick-off
Please be aware that failure to adhere to the dress code may result in refusal of admission.
To maintain the integrity of the dress code, guests who wear a replica shirt under any jacket,
coat, jumper, etc., and later remove the outer garment will also be asked to leave.
Away Fans
Our hospitality lounges are mixed with home and away fans. If you are a supporter of the away
side, then we ask that you are respectful of this and act discreetly in the support of your team,
celebrations are to be kept to a minimum should the opposition team score as you are situated
in the home end of the stadium.
If any guests are negatively affecting the experience of others, may be asked to leave the
stadium. Please note if you are ejected, the lead booker may receive a Turf Moor stadium ban
and your home club will be notified if relevant.
Home Fans
We ask home fans to refrain from any behaviour or chanting meant to antagonise away
supporters. This includes but is not limited to tragedy chanting which Burnley FC have a zero-
tolerance policy towards.

Am I correct in reading this that Liverpool fans will still be located amongst home fans in the JHU?

[jrgbfc]

I'd be pretty miffed if I'd bought a season ticket in that area. I'm pretty sure the club didn't inform fans they were likely to be surrounded by away fans certain games.

[superdimitri]

I'd be pretty miffed if I'd bought a season ticket in that area. I'm pretty sure the club didn't inform fans they were likely to be surrounded by away fans certain games.

Equally if we won more games this season I could see it being more entertaining!

[BillyHamilton9]

Love how the outcome of the investigation is basically pre-warning Burnley fans when it's their complete **** up that's led to this in the first place.

Get that clown Russell Ball potted, please.

Russell Ball won't have made the decisions that led to this fiasco. Time after time when anything goes wrong to do with club operations, the guy who's title is Director of Operations/ Deputy safety officer, Doug Metcalfe, always manages to go under the radar. It's this guy that needs seriously potting before anyone else.

[claptrappers_union]

Russell Ball won't have made the decisions that led to this fiasco. Time after time when anything goes wrong to do with club operations, the guy who's title is Director of Operations/ Deputy safety officer, Doug Metcalfe, always manages to go under the radar. It's this guy that needs seriously potting before anyone else.

How can I put this politely?

You don't know what the **** you're talking about.

[Loyalclaret]

Not keen on the DM but this is a commercial decision, I'm sure when it was run past him he would have shared concerns - he knows the club and fan base pretty well.

[alboclaret]

It seems ridiculous to put away fans in the home sections, though I would ask if the same problems arose with city and united fans this season?

Maybe we had sold the hospitality out (with burnley fans) early doors for these 2 games

[wilks_bfc]

Latest statement

A message from Burnley FC in regard to incidents at our fixture against Everton

What happened in the stands as a result of some away fans being in sections of the home end for last weekend’s match was not acceptable.

The levels of protection we provided towards supporters fell well below our expectations and what you deserve.

We have conducted an internal inquiry, where some of the fundamental issues have been reviewed, discussed and acknowledged by those responsible and we want to make sure incidents like these do not happen again.

Like many other clubs, we don’t want to stop visiting fans being able to join us, just like we wouldn’t want you being stopped at other stadiums you might visit in the future.

For the safety of all, it is clear that more rigorous steps are needed to be enforced regarding the process around visiting supporters on matchdays which we will bring in for our next home match.

Our supporters, are the most important part of this football club and we acknowledge we let you down.

The steps that are being taken we expect will strengthen our commitment to make Turf Moor a safer and more welcoming environment for all.

Thank you for your continued support.

[Nori1958]

Latest statement

Not a lot to complain about with that....we just need to see what procedures are implemented to ensure crowd safety.

[CrosspoolClarets]

My prediction - a few stewards sat on the end seats in that area.

Doesn’t stop the potential for 2 Clarets to get tickets as a treat to that sports bar and end up sitting with loads of away fans.

They’ve invested a load of money but can only recoup it by selling tickets to all and sundry so its hard to see an adequate solution now.

[CoolClaret]

My prediction - a few stewards sat on the end seats in that area.

Doesn’t stop the potential for 2 Clarets to get tickets as a treat to that sports bar and end up sitting with loads of away fans.

They’ve invested a load of money but can only recoup it by selling tickets to all and sundry so its hard to see an adequate solution now.

It’s not that mate - these lot had hospitality tickets and were placed in the James Hargreaves/North Stand upper tier! Mental!

[Leisure]

Latest statement

Don't see anything in the statement which says that Liverpool fans won't be seated in the JHU, which was the minimum that I expected the Club to say or am I missing something?

[fidelcastro]

Don't see anything in the statement which says that Liverpool fans won't be seated in the JHU, which was the minimum that I expected the Club to say or am I missing something?

No, you're not missing anything.

Match revenue trumps the safety of supporters every time, sadly.

[Dark Cloud]

Don't see anything in the statement which says that Liverpool fans won't be seated in the JHU, which was the minimum that I expected the Club to say or am I missing something?

Well that's probably because they know it's way too late to do anything about Liverpool fans having got tickets in the home end. They can (maybe) stop any more getting them, but plenty will have them already.

[evensteadiereddie]

They do refer to new measures in place for the next home game.

[SalisburyClaret]

The club has admitted it has made mistakes but the statement misses 3 key things -
1. An apology to those who were affected
2. Re-assurance to fans that those concerned have been identified and their details passed to the police
3. A clear explanation of what the new steps are going to be

[FeedTheArf]

I just hope whatever measures they dream up also extend to the JML hospitality.

[Roberts' Tash]

This guy is on X trying to advocate we go down the lines of ending segregation like NFL. Then I twigged, this is the long term plan of the club. They want every seat purchased to maximise income - matters not if it's a home or away fan. The only way to do this is through ending segregation. They just don't understand UK football culture.

[fidelcastro]

I wonder if this Andrew Smith character posts on this message board?

[CoolClaret]

This guy is on X trying to advocate we go down the lines of ending segregation like NFL. Then I twigged, this is the long term plan of the club. They want every seat purchased to maximise income - matters not if it's a home or away fan. The only way to do this is through ending segregation. They just don't understand UK football culture.

The sooner folk realise the only thing ALK give a toss about is revenue for them at a cost of anything else then the more it’ll all make sense.

If it’s commercially viable it’s gonna happen. Beyond shameful that they’ve oversold hospitality and are sticking people in seats that should be for Burnley fans on the terraces. Not hospitality seats.

Last season papered over the cracks and you couldn’t help but enjoy it - this season all the cracks are starting to rear their ugly head.

[StayingDown4Ever]

I wonder if this Andrew Smith character posts on this message board?

You’d have thought Alan would have come up with a more imaginative alias than Andrew Smith.

[boatshed bill]

A friend of mine who still lives in Burnley and sits in JHU emailed the club about this and has received a response this morning apologising and guaranteeing that they wont be any Everton fans allowed into the home sections for the rest of the season.

I think that is a really good response from the club and maybe its time for people to let this one go.

That's a relief.

[Winstonswhite]

Not a lot to complain about with that....we just need to see what procedures are implemented to ensure crowd safety.

Are you serious?

“ Like many other clubs, we don’t want to stop visiting fans being able to join us, just like we wouldn’t want you being stopped at other stadiums you might visit in the future.”

When have Burnley fans en masse been allowed to sit in home ends. It just doesn’t happen.

[Nori1958]

Are you serious?

“ Like many other clubs, we don’t want to stop visiting fans being able to join us, just like we wouldn’t want you being stopped at other stadiums you might visit in the future.”

When have Burnley fans en masse been allowed to sit in home ends. It just doesn’t happen.

I took it as the hospitality areas, which many burnley fans take advantage of, I don't think they meant sitting in the kop or the Stretford end.

[ClaretTony]

The statement beggars belief really. Gives no indication as to what is being done to prevent it happening again.

[Winstonswhite]

I took it as the hospitality areas, which many burnley fans take advantage of, I don't think they meant sitting in the kop or the Stretford end.

Obviously not. But what was allowed to happen on Saturday from all the reports, was the equivalent, and they’ve basically said it will happen again.

[Loyalclaret]

The statement beggars belief really. Gives no indication as to what is being done to prevent it happening again.

Shook my head when a friend suggested it was a good statement - really?!?

[spt_claret]

A friend of mine who still lives in Burnley and sits in JHU emailed the club about this and has received a response this morning apologising and guaranteeing that they wont be any Everton fans allowed into the home sections for the rest of the season.

I think that is a really good response from the club and maybe its time for people to let this one go.

Sometimes DA I really love your contributions

[Spike]

How many of the fans near or involved in this incident have actually been allowed to take part in the investigation?
Nic Harris is Safety Officer

[CrosspoolClarets]

It’s not that mate - these lot had hospitality tickets and were placed in the James Hargreaves/North Stand upper tier! Mental!

I think you’ve misunderstood my post earlier today because I think we are saying the same thing.

The JHU seats were taken up by the sports bar customers, that Jimmy McIlroy Suite thing. My point was that if they are telling away fans to be discrete they don’t know who is home or away. Thus if (say) 30 people got seated in the JHU (or indeed JML padded seats) it is conceivable a couple of Clarets could be accidentally surrounded by 10-20 away fans.

It’s not persuading me to stump up for a hospitality upgrade put it that way.

[CardyTheClaret]

It seems ridiculous to put away fans in the home sections, though I would ask if the same problems arose with city and united fans this season?

I've been in the JM hospitality all season. All the big clubs have had fans in there - with no issues, many have their seats in the JHU. They've all been decent people and has been a very good atmosphere. it was completely different last week with the Scousers in town. You could spot them and hear them a mile off. Scruffy and disrespectful. I hope it's not the same on Boxing Day.

[brexit]

Latest statement

17 years in corporate and never met anyone who wore a football shirt. However, most of the opposition fans wear a club tie or, failing that, a pin. But IMHO most of The Muppets in my part of hospitality don't give a toss about football, just about hashing out a deal. The only exception to this was the bunch of pikey builders next door to us at the Lincoln FA cup tie.

[Goliath]

I've been in the JM hospitality all season. All the big clubs have had fans in there - with no issues, many have their seats in the JHU. They've all been decent people and has been a very good atmosphere. it was completely different last week with the Scousers in town. You could spot them and hear them a mile off. Scruffy and disrespectful. I hope it's not the same on Boxing Day.

This doesnt make it any better. Id be pretty miffed as an away fan being put there as well. Its putting them at risk as much as any of the home fans.

[NewClaret]

The statement beggars belief really. Gives no indication as to what is being done to prevent it happening again.

Completely agree Tony. A small amount of credit for issuing a statement quickly. There’s clearly been a few people who’ve had to own up to some big mistakes.

Beyond that, lacking any meaningful detail and the whole concept of away fans on the longside is just baffling to me. They obviously don’t get it.

[mybloodisclaret]

Perhaps they could put them in the regularly empty seats in the directors box instead of the Longside? Just a thought....

[Nori1958]

I've been in the JM hospitality all season. All the big clubs have had fans in there - with no issues, many have their seats in the JHU. They've all been decent people and has been a very good atmosphere. it was completely different last week with the Scousers in town. You could spot them and hear them a mile off. Scruffy and disrespectful. I hope it's not the same on Boxing Day.

And that's my point, the club are getting slated on here, for something that has worked well for nearly half a season with clubs a lot bigger than Everton.
Yes, if things havent been put in place by boxing day it will happen again.....iam sure people can see the link.

[CoolClaret]

And that's my point, the club are getting slated on here, for something that has worked well for nearly half a season with clubs a lot bigger than Everton.
Yes, if things havent been put in place by boxing day it will happen again.....iam sure people can see the link.

Sorry but this is the most ridiculous logic going.

‘It’s worked so far so what’s the issue’ - becuase it was always going to end in tears, wasn’t it?

‘Well he didn’t wear his seat belt for 10 years and didn’t have a problem’

You account for the worst possible outcome.

Not only is it incredibly stupid in terms of safety, they even had the gall to accuse BFC fans for the poor atmosphere, when they’re sticking hospitality seats in the terraces! Unbelievable!

[Nori1958]

Sorry but this is the most ridiculous logic going.

‘It’s worked so far so what’s the issue’ - becuase it was always going to end in tears, wasn’t it?

‘Well he didn’t wear his seat belt for 10 years and didn’t have a problem’

You account for the worst possible outcome.

Not only is it incredibly stupid in terms of safety, they even had the gall to accuse BFC fans for the poor atmosphere, when they’re sticking hospitality seats in the terraces! Unbelievable!

Talk about ridiculous logic......not wearing a seat belt is illegal....sitting where the club put you is not

Account for the worst possible outcome? How does that work for the rest of the match day......take coins,lighters vapes off everyone, because the worst outcome is that they could throw them....don't take hot drinks to your seat because you might spill it on someone? Don't sell alcohol because somebody might get drunk?...where does it stop?

[CoolClaret]

Talk about ridiculous logic......not wearing a seat belt is illegal....sitting where the club put you is not

Account for the worst possible outcome? How does that work for the rest of the match day......take coins,lighters vapes off everyone, because the worst outcome is that they could throw them....don't take hot drinks to your seat because you might spill it on someone? Don't sell alcohol because somebody might get drunk?...where does it stop?

Can't even be arsed with this response - how long have we had segregated seating in British/European football?

Then for our club that can't do a single thing right this season to just flaunt all that and offer extra hospitality as a cash grab without actually having the facilities for it - and without a care for who could end up sitting there.

Stupid, someone needs canning and their 'statement' is a joke.

[ClaretLoup]

Talk about ridiculous logic......not wearing a seat belt is illegal....sitting where the club put you is not

However BFC ground regulations state that any supporter found to be in a section of the ground where they “do not belong” may be ejected. Similarly the same punishment is threatened for the Wearing of any item that indicates support for the opposition.

I am not sure where you sit but my seat is in the middle of the Longside Upper. For about a 10/25 minute period on Saturday people were standing up to see if they could get a better view of the disruption. One or two were giving it large even though they were miles away from the rumpus. As we have seen on here already one or two folk seem to think that the opposition fans deserve a good kicking for having the temerity to sit and volubly support the away team as we saw on the video clip.

There is a strong possibility that on Boxing Day one or two of our resident psychopaths will be hunting Scousers to give them the kicking they “deserve”.

It’s not quite the one in a million event that you suggest Nori and the comparison with seat belts seems quite valid even more so as the likelihood of having a car crash is much less likely to happen than sticking a bunch gobby Liverpudlians amongst the home support and expecting nothing to kick off. In fact Russian roulette might be a better comparison, you might fire a few blanks but one day, kaboom.

[Nori1958]

However BFC ground regulations state that any supporter found to be in a section of the ground where they “do not belong” may be ejected. Similarly the same punishment is threatened for the Wearing of any item that indicates support for the opposition.

I am not sure where you sit but my seat is in the middle of the Longside Upper. For about a 10/25 minute period on Saturday people were standing up to see if they could get a better view of the disruption. One or two were giving it large even though they were miles away from the rumpus. As we have seen on here already one or two folk seem to think that the opposition fans deserve a good kicking for having the temerity to sit and volubly support the away team as we saw on the video clip.

There is a strong possibility that on Boxing Day one or two of our resident psychopaths will be hunting Scousers to give them the kicking they “deserve”.

It’s not quite the one in a million event that you suggest Nori and the comparison with seat belts seems quite valid even more so as the likelihood of having a car crash is much less likely to happen than sticking a bunch gobby Liverpudlians amongst the home support and expecting nothing to kick off. In fact Russian roulette might be a better comparison, you might fire a few blanks but one day, kaboom.

It's a bit difficult to respond correctly when you have cut short my post to make it look like that's all I've said.

Your first point isn't valid because the club have put the away fans in that area

I don't understand your million to one comment, because I never said anything like that, if you mean coins, they've already been thrown, drunks have already been a problem.

I've already said earlier that I think it's ridiculous putting away fans where they did, but just because I think it's wrong doesn't mean it doesn't work, which if you read the post from the person who actually sits in the area says it's been fine all season. I also think it's ridiculous that the local constabulary don't police inside the ground like they used to, but it works for the majority of clubs, the majority of the time.

[bobinho]

I've been in the JM hospitality all season. All the big clubs have had fans in there - with no issues, many have their seats in the JHU. They've all been decent people and has been a very good atmosphere. it was completely different last week with the Scousers in town. You could spot them and hear them a mile off. Scruffy and disrespectful. I hope it's not the same on Boxing Day.

Gotta admire your optimism….