MISSION TO RELEGATION.

[CoolClaret]

So your logic is if he gets us relegated we then know he isn't good enough for this division ?

Does that apply to all managers who have been relegated from this division ?

Big difference going down and competing all year, making a go of it, compared to going down on a whimper.

There is nuance you know?

[claretonthecoast1882]

No my logic is clear, a manager that gets relegated without a whimper. You know finishing a season on around the 16 point mark.

That is a manager who doesn’t know how to manage at this level.

If VK were to finish around the 32-34 point mark at least we know we nearly avoided relegation

So if he gets 33 points and we went down you are fine with him staying, but if he gets less then you want him out. That is fine apart from the fact you don't want to give him the season you want him gone now. Can you see the bit that isn't quite working with this school of thought.

Also when you are asking the mods to remove someone's comments like you just have maybe best to realise you were the first to label any poster anything just a post or 2 before

[Newcastleclaret93]

So if he gets 33 points and we went down you are fine with him staying, but if he gets less then you want him out. That is fine apart from the fact you don't want to give him the season you want him gone now. Can you see the bit that isn't quite working with this school of thought.

Also when you are asking the mods to remove someone's comments like you just have maybe best to realise you were the first to label any poster anything just a post or 2 before

Bit different calling someone a happy clapper to referring that you don’t have a social life and are a loser haha.

Yes I would be fine keeping VK in that respect. I also appreciate your comment about giving him the season to see if he achieves that but I think it’s almost impossible for him to get that many points now unfortunately. (If we were on around 14-16 points now I wouldn’t be against keeping him at all). But unfortunately I just can’t see it with him

[Clovius Boofus]

Haha now the insults come out. Classic uptheclarets. The bullying will be along soon.

Come on mods post like this are how it starts.

I'm sure the mods are bright enough to know what 'concern trolling' is when they read it.

Also, maybe you should try practising what you preach and stop insulting those who disagree with you by labelling them 'happy clappers' and 'rose-tinted glasses' etc.

[DCWat]

Haha now the insults come out. Classic uptheclarets. The bullying will be along soon.

Come on mods post like this are how it starts.

Perhaps a little self reflection would help to avoid these sort of replies, as well. Debate the topic - less of the ha ha’s, happy clappers, etc. The tone of some of your replies (and it can of course be misinterpreted when read) doesn’t help.

Accept others have different views and debate them properly.

[Newcastleclaret93]

That’s fine il leave this post for others to debate. Didn’t realise happy clapper was a derogatory term, I thought it meant a supporter that only sees the positives.

[Nori1958]

That’s fine il leave this post for others to debate. Didn’t realise happy clapper was a derogatory term, I thought it meant a supporter that only sees the positives.

I think it's more the way it's used by some posters, almost turned into a form of abusive behaviour

[DCWat]

That’s fine il leave this post for others to debate. Didn’t realise happy clapper was a derogatory term, I thought it meant a supporter that only sees the positives.

Happy Clapper isn’t used in that sense - it’s used as a criticism - as you well know. It’s akin to the also annoying labelling of someone as negative, just because they have an alternative view of things.

I’m in no way suggesting that you shouldn’t be debating the topic. I don’t agree with what you’re saying (barring the fact that a lot of the football has been bloody poor) but your opinion is as valid as any other.

The best threads on here are those where different viewpoints are debated sensibly and with reasoning. When it descends into name calling and worse, that’s when good threads are lost (and I suspect a lot of posters log off).

[Nori1958]

Happy Clapper isn’t used in that sense - it’s used as a criticism - as you well know. It’s akin to the also annoying labelling of someone as negative, just because they have an alternative view of things.

I’m in no way suggesting that you shouldn’t be debating the topic. I don’t agree with what you’re saying (barring the fact that a lot of the football has been bloody poor) but your opinion is as valid as any other.

The best threads on here are those where different viewpoints are debated sensibly and with reasoning. When it descends into name calling and worse, that’s when good threads are lost (and I suspect a lot of posters log off).

100% correct

[Bullabill]

I said it was a shock that it was written by a 70+ adult.
It's content, grammar, the way it was written etc all pointed to some young kid having a paddy
Several agreed so it wasn't only me.

It's content, Nori? If you want to be critical of 'the way it was written etc', try 'Its content'.

[KRBFC]

If this season was Dyche after the 23 undefeated and he'd spent £100 million, changed style, changed systems, rebuilt the squad, lost 13 in 17, playing boring awful football, conceded loads, not scoring goals, persisting with it all and out of form players I know exactly what you would be on this message board saying.

But because our managers name is Vincent Kompany a legend of the game we have to cut him slack. Giving them time is great if they are showing signs of learning, VK clearly isn't

Sean Dyche had credit in the bank because he got us promoted, he deserved time to get us back up if we went down. My view on that doesn’t change regardless of who the manager is. I don’t want us sacking managers every time they hit a bad run otherwise where on earth would we be? We’re BFC we are going to have bad runs in the PL.

[DingleDangle]

It’s a very fair comparison two managers that have had a similar amount of games in this league? (I guess you could argue VK has got spend considerably more than Laws did and had longer with the squad).

Just answer the question, would you stick with Laws?

Oooooo, very demanding aren't we? Pity you can't answer other people's questions when asked.

So now, just to back your own argument up, what Brian Laws did in a previous time, you're now saying it is of relevance......even though you state previous seasons aren't relevant because you believe what Pep Guardiola said, as you stated in an earlier post?

To answer your demand, yes I would have stuck with Brian Laws because I'm not a knee jerk reactionist like you are.

[Devils_Advocate]

Sean Dyche had credit in the bank because he got us promoted, he deserved time to get us back up if we went down. My view on that doesn’t change regardless of who the manager is. I don’t want us sacking managers every time they hit a bad run otherwise where on earth would we be? We’re BFC we are going to have bad runs in the PL.

To be fair this was Bumba's view of Dyche back in 16/17 when he had all that credit in the bank

He's a superb manager in the championship, he's falling flat big time second time round in the premier league.
Tactically inept at this level, very very boring to watch its borderline embarrassing but his hands are tied attacking wise because we've three poor wingers that are all defense minded.
Needed pace last time and still need it he's not solved that problem in three seasons.
Least we don't need to worry about other premier league clubs poaching him because I doubt any would go near him unless we massively improve

[Nori1958]

So basically bumba has spent years moaning and being miserable, and knows much more than our last two managers

[bumba]

To be fair this was Bumba's view of Dyche back in 16/17 when he had all that credit in the bank

I take it as a massive compliment that you have took the time to search that far back
Somebody needs a hobby

[bumba]

So basically bumba has spent years moaning and being miserable, and knows much more than our last two managers

Here goes the resident bully!! At it again Nori?

Read what I wrote it was all correct at the time.
He brought in a winger in January 2017 that was fantastic up until his injury in Robbie Brady, we'd also started to get the best out of Steven Defour linking up well with Defour so Dyche could change our style and play some amazing stuff.
Guess Dyche just knew what I knew and said.

[Ampth7]

I am 100% certain every Burnley fan desperately wants VK to succeed, especially after last year’s incredible season that should live long in the memory! Whether you post a critical message or an upbeat one, surely it just shows how much everyone on here cares for the success and wellbeing of our great club?

To summarise this thread, some people are really unhappy/angry at the performances so far this season and are rightly questioning why we have been so poor. Others, also rightly have a more positive ‘give him time’ and ‘get behind the team’ mentality.

I personally believe in both opinions meaning I am 100% supportive and desperately want results to start going our way, but ultimately the man in charge has to be held accountable at some point if we keep losing. Whether that’s now, in 3 months time or Christmas next year, that will be for the board to decide.

However, I am interested to know people’s thoughts on what would be an acceptable return of points come the end of the season? Personally, I don’t think it would be acceptable to finish nowhere near survival having spent a reported £100 million in the summer. Surely VK has to get this team at least somewhere near the 30 point mark?

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PUNKTUASHION

[KRBFC]

However, I am interested to know people’s thoughts on what would be an acceptable return of points come the end of the season? Personally, I don’t think it would be acceptable to finish nowhere near survival having spent a reported £100 million in the summer. Surely VK has to get this team at least somewhere near the 30 point mark?

Relegation is relegation for me, I don’t think I’d feel any better if we finished on 20 points or 37, I’d probably be more gutted if we took it to the last day and went down with a whimper like we did last time.

[Nori1958]

I am 100% certain every Burnley fan desperately wants VK to succeed, especially after last year’s incredible season that should live long in the memory! Whether you post a critical message or an upbeat one, surely it just shows how much everyone on here cares for the success and wellbeing of our great club?

To summarise this thread, some people are really unhappy/angry at the performances so far this season and are rightly questioning why we have been so poor. Others, also rightly have a more positive ‘give him time’ and ‘get behind the team’ mentality.

I personally believe in both opinions meaning I am 100% supportive and desperately want results to start going our way, but ultimately the man in charge has to be held accountable at some point if we keep losing. Whether that’s now, in 3 months time or Christmas next year, that will be for the board to decide.

However, I am interested to know people’s thoughts on what would be an acceptable return of points come the end of the season? Personally, I don’t think it would be acceptable to finish nowhere near survival having spent a reported £100 million in the summer. Surely VK has to get this team at least somewhere near the 30 point mark?

Bearing in mind where we are now, somewhere between 25 and 30 would represent an improvement, so would be acceptable.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Relegation is relegation for me, I don’t think I’d feel any better if we finished on 20 points or 37, I’d probably be more gutted if we took it to the last day and went down with a whimper like we did last time.

If we get to 37 points chances are we’ll have significantly improved and it will show Vincent is learning.

If we go down with 20 points chances are you’ll have spent the second half of the season seeing us churn out the same pony we’ve endured in the first.

[Ampth7]

Relegation is relegation for me, I don’t think I’d feel any better if we finished on 20 points or 37, I’d probably be more gutted if we took it to the last day and went down with a whimper like we did last time.

Yes, I agree with that. Would both of your above scenarios keep VK in a job for the following season or would 20 points be too few to bear?

[CoolClaret]

Relegation is relegation for me, I don’t think I’d feel any better if we finished on 20 points or 37, I’d probably be more gutted if we took it to the last day and went down with a whimper like we did last time.

No way - a poor showing lingers like mad.

Going down fighting gives you some momentum - it's pivotal we get within fighting chance of staying up.

Anything under 20 points would be disastrous.

[KRBFC]

Yes, I agree with that. Would both of your above scenarios keep VK in a job for the following season or would 20 points be too few to bear?

Who better to take us back up than the man who just achieved 100+ points with largely the same squad?

[fidelcastro]

Who better to take us back up than the man who just achieved 100+ points with largely the same squad?

By next summer it's highly unlikely to be largely the same squad.

[TheFamilyCat]

By next summer it's highly unlikely to be largely the same squad.

Why?

[fidelcastro]

Why?

Because plenty of players will have left by then following relegation.

I even expect one or two to leave next month.

[Burnley1989]

You're one negative person Fidel, Ive just looked back through your posts to see when you last didn't moan about something club related

[TheFamilyCat]

Because plenty of players will have left by then following relegation.

I even expect one or two to leave next month.

Bit surely if they're all as **** as you keep saying they are, nobody else will want them.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Certainly succeeding so far.

[fidelcastro]

You're one negative person Fidel, Ive just looked back through your posts to see when you last didn't moan about something club related

I'm deeply flattered by you interest.

I can't honestly find anything to be positive about right now that's Club related, which probably explains it.

I mentioned on a previous thread that the whole match day experience at the moment is just awful. Everything from the assault course walking down to the stadium, the third rate refreshments at extortionate prices, away fans in home sections, our own supporters more concerned in applauding the opposition ... And that's before we start with the performances on the pitch lead by a clueless manager.

So, yeah, I'm negative alright... Or maybe just honest.

[fidelcastro]

Bit surely if they're all as **** as you keep saying they are, nobody else will want them.

Someone will. Just not high end or mid table PL teams.

[Nori1958]

I'm deeply flattered by you interest.

I can't honestly find anything to be positive about right now that's Club related, which probably explains it.

I mentioned on a previous thread that the whole match day experience at the moment is just awful. Everything from the assault course walking down to the stadium, the third rate refreshments at extortionate prices, away fans in home sections, our own supporters more concerned in applauding the opposition ... And that's before we start with the performances on the pitch lead by a clueless manager.

So, yeah, I'm negative alright... Or maybe just honest.

Not a dig.... But if its that bad why go? ... If I hated something that much I'd be giving it a miss

[TheFamilyCat]

Not a dig.... But if its that bad why go? ... If I hated something that much I'd be giving it a miss

He'd have nothing to moan about.

[fidelcastro]

Not a dig.... But if its that bad why go? ... If I hated something that much I'd be giving it a miss

Because I've a Season ticket and it's in the blood. Simple really.

However, I've had my ST since 1990 and this is by far the least enjoyable season I've witnessed, which is why I'm considering not renewing next season.

I hope that answers your question.

[DCWat]

I'm deeply flattered by you interest.

I can't honestly find anything to be positive about right now that's Club related, which probably explains it.

I mentioned on a previous thread that the whole match day experience at the moment is just awful. Everything from the assault course walking down to the stadium, the third rate refreshments at extortionate prices, away fans in home sections, our own supporters more concerned in applauding the opposition ... And that's before we start with the performances on the pitch lead by a clueless manager.

So, yeah, I'm negative alright... Or maybe just honest.

You have an issue with supporters applauding Dyche, Tarkowski and McNeil? If that’s something to be down on the club about, you’ve set a pretty low bar for being ****** off at everything else.

Nothing wrong with a bit of respect and appreciation being shown for a few great servants to the club.

[fidelcastro]

He'd have nothing to moan about.

Give me something to be positive or even hopeful about, please.

[fidelcastro]

You have an issue with supporters applauding Dyche, Tarkowski and McNeil? If that’s something to be down on the club about, you’ve set a pretty low bar for being ****** off at everything else.

Nothing wrong with a bit of respect and appreciation being shown for a few great servants to the club.

And I'd agree, but during the game? Come off it!

[Vincent'sCap]

Give me something to be positive or even hopeful about, please.

It's Christmas have a drink and a good lunch it's only a game

[fidelcastro]

It's Christmas have a drink and a good lunch it's only a game

I think you know what I mean.

[Nori1958]

Because I've a Season ticket and it's in the blood. Simple really.

However, I've had my ST since 1990 and this is by far the least enjoyable season I've witnessed, which is why I'm considering not renewing next season.

I hope that answers your question.

In a way I guess... I've had a season ticket since 1973, but I'd be giving it away or to the ticket exchange if I genuinely felt as bad as you say

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Give me something to be positive or even hopeful about, please.

If we get a decent manager that doesn’t play a youth goalie and doesn’t pass it around the back for 80 minutes we have a chance of staying up as we have some decent players , its just that he refuses to play them no matter what. Ekdal and Muric should be straight back in if this manager ever gets hired.

Why do we have to get relegated for him to “learn” that?!.

[Vincent'sCap]

I think you know what I mean.

Ok don't have a drink forget the lunch it's still only a game and it's making you terribly miserable

[TheFamilyCat]

I'm deeply flattered by you interest.

I can't honestly find anything to be positive about right now that's Club related, which probably explains it.

I mentioned on a previous thread that the whole match day experience at the moment is just awful. Everything from the assault course walking down to the stadium, the third rate refreshments at extortionate prices, away fans in home sections, our own supporters more concerned in applauding the opposition ... And that's before we start with the performances on the pitch lead by a clueless manager.

So, yeah, I'm negative alright... Or maybe just honest.

I'm not sure what you mean about the assault course, but as for the rest of it....
Food and drink on the Turf has always been overpriced and crap. Away fans have been in home stands for big games every PL season. Burnley fans have always welcomed popular players and managers warmly. I'm pretty sure our manager wasn't clueless last season. Or maybe he just got lucky.

[TheFamilyCat]

Give me something to be positive or even hopeful about, please.

The women's team are doing well.

[fidelcastro]

If we get a decent manager that doesn’t play a youth goalie and doesn’t pass it around the back for 80 minutes we have a chance of staying up as we have some decent players , its just that he refuses to play them no matter what. Ekdal and Muric should be straight back in if this manager ever gets hired.

Why do we have to get relegated for him to “learn” that?!.

I agree with the sentiment, but it's not just a case of Ekdal and Muric coming in ( the latter I don't agree with anyway).

The problems on and off the pitch run much deeper than that.

[fidelcastro]

The women's team are doing well.

You've convinced me

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I agree with the sentiment, but it's not just a case of Ekdal and Muric coming in ( the latter I don't agree with anyway).

The problems on and off the pitch run much deeper than that.

We just need a massive clear out of all VK’s “staff” Frank Lampard mark 2 has been found out. Just need Pace to realise and realise fast. Need to get someone with experience of this division that has kept teams in it.

[Vincent'sCap]

We just need a massive clear out of all VK’s “staff” Frank Lampard mark 2 has been found out. Just need Pace to realise and realise fast. Need to get someone with experience of this division that has kept teams in it.

Frank Lampard never got a 100 points with a Championship side,comparing Kompany to Lampard really dosent hold much water to be honest

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Frank Lampard never got a 100 points with a Championship side,comparing Kompany to Lampard really dosent hold much water to be honest

Lost a load of games for Everton before he got potted for Dyche in the premier league, looks very similar to me.