Benson to Southampton

[CoolClaret]

Exactly where I’m at.

I’ve always taken a rather dim view of clubs that discarded players that helped them get promoted. I heavily disliked the Watford multi club approach with Udinese, and the back alley deals, but really, we’re no better now.

I’ve always felt, as a club, we had a bit of class. We never hired and fired managers, and we always had a pretty stable squad year on year.

We have a connection to the club, in part, because of the players that pull on the shirt. We all have our greats down the years. I can be driving to work and I’ll suddenly think about Glen slaloming through the Bristol Rovers defence or Gnohere playing a delightful 1-2 to score a late winner at Deepdale. I probably cheered that little bit harder too, because it was scored by a player that I had built a connection with.

This ‘moneyball’ approach will put an end to all that. We’re nothing more than a glorified cattle market.

I may be going slightly OTT on this, but it’s a strength of feeling I have, and I know one a lot of others share too.

Yep - must say I do agree TsarBomba.

I’d also argue that’s a reason why we’ve always managed to ‘punch above our weight’ and tended to have a real connection between players and fans.

I was concerned with the turnover earlier in the year and it felt (at least to me) like we were watching a team of individuals together… That feeling has been tempered in recent weeks as we have started to show signs of being a ‘team’ but it’s still something that I’m rather wary of and don’t want to be part of.

[Wokingclaret]

Don't want to sell, want to see him on our right wing.

But, if we have to sell, after the Tella no deal, its a no to Southampton.......

[123EasyasBFC]

That ‘the Burnley way’ account on twitter that always claims to be in the know, saying the clubs have held talks but are apart on numbers, always take that account with a pinch though

[Vegas Claret]

Exactly where I’m at.

I’ve always taken a rather dim view of clubs that discarded players that helped them get promoted. I heavily disliked the Watford multi club approach with Udinese, and the back alley deals, but really, we’re no better now.

I’ve always felt, as a club, we had a bit of class. We never hired and fired managers, and we always had a pretty stable squad year on year.

We have a connection to the club, in part, because of the players that pull on the shirt. We all have our greats down the years. I can be driving to work and I’ll suddenly think about Glen slaloming through the Bristol Rovers defence or Gnohere playing a delightful 1-2 to score a late winner at Deepdale. I probably cheered that little bit harder too, because it was scored by a player that I had built a connection with.

This ‘moneyball’ approach will put an end to all that. We’re nothing more than a glorified cattle market.

I may be going slightly OTT on this, but it’s a strength of feeling I have, and I know one a lot of others share too.

I think that's why people were so annoyed with Muric being dropped earlier in the season

[NewClaret]

Nixon apparently saying we’ve snubbed them.

I’ve always rated Nixon So it’s not happening and we can all look forward to our January’s. ‍

[Vegas Claret]

That ‘the Burnley way’ account on twitter that always claims to be in the know, saying the clubs have held talks but are apart on numbers, always take that account with a pinch though

100%, truck full of salt never mind pinch !

[Ziggy Stardust]

We can't afford to carry Benson in this league as he doesn't defend. Has he completed 90 minutes for us yet? All this model talk is ********. Every player has a price, if its met then generally they leave. We have plenty of wingers as many have pointed out. Just the usual suspects having a meltdown because Traffords playing well now...

[Colburn_Claret]

Loan with an option to buy seems like such a Southampton-friendly arrangement.

But if we're not going to put him in the team, we need to be selling him ASAP. That's how it's meant to work.

The problem is last season end he was probably worth 10 million, now it will only be half of that, if we are lucky.
That isn't how we are supposed to be operating.
Benson and Zaroury both looked excellent last season, if we had no intention of playing them we should have sold them last summer. When we go down again, depending who we retain, they could be invaluable to us.
Whatever happens it appears we aren't being clever.

[StayingDown4Ever]

I think that's why people were so annoyed with Muric being dropped earlier in the season

The annoying thing with Muric being dropped is the fact that the guy who replaced him has been on the whole shite with the exception of one or two games.

I would have had no problem with Muric being replaced if the guy they got in was playing well every week.

[Vegas Claret]

The problem is last season end he was probably worth 10 million, now it will only be half of that, if we are lucky.
That isn't how we are supposed to be operating.
Benson and Zaroury both looked excellent last season, if we had no intention of playing them we should have sold them last summer. When we go down again, depending who we retain, they could be invaluable to us.
Whatever happens it appears we aren't being clever.

he's got 4 or 5 years left on his deal and you think he might be only worth 5 million when they got 25 for Tella ? Not likely mate

[TheFamilyCat]

Scored some absolute spunkers, not least the title winner at Ewood but he's a one-trick pony. No way would PL defenders allow him to cut inside like that.

If he was so much better he wouldn't be at Burnley

[BurnleyFC]

Scored some absolute spunkers, not least the title winner at Ewood but he's a one-trick pony. No way would PL defenders allow him to cut inside like that.

If he was so much better he wouldn't be at Burnley

If Benson is a one trick pony then Tresor must be a no trick donkey.

[Carlos the Great]

He hasn’t really been given a proper shot at the premier league .:: we can’t judge him on the game time he has had :: Southampton ?? The masters at getting top money for players ..they will sell him for 30 m next season

[TheFamilyCat]

If Benson is a one trick pony then Tresor must be a no trick donkey.

What has Tresor to do with this thread.

[boatshed bill]

Get rid of Kompany and keep benson seems obvious really.

That's it

[BurnleyFC]

What has Tresor to do with this thread.

He’s seemingly Benson’s replacement. Or Bruun Larsen who’s had some decent games but more god awful games too. Both are dreadful defensively as well.

I’m amazed so many have written Benson off already. He was our best player against Manchester United in the League Cup last season for starters.

[TheFamilyCat]

He’s seemingly Benson’s replacement. Or Bruun Larsen who’s had some decent games but more god awful games too. Both are dreadful defensively as well.

I’m amazed so many have written Benson off already. He was our best player against Manchester United in the League Cup last season for starters.

Interesting that you don't mention Koleosho or Odobert.

[DCWat]

I won’t believe it until their chairman comes up with a free Manuel Benson tweet.

It is what it is - this is our model.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Interesting that you don't mention Koleosho or Odobert.

They have been decent but can’t say I think either are better than Benson.

[Jakubclaret]

I won’t believe it until their chairman comes up with a free Manuel Benson tweet.

It is what it is - this is our model.

Does Lara solak have a tiktok account.

[Colburn_Claret]

he's got 4 or 5 years left on his deal and you think he might be only worth 5 million when they got 25 for Tella ? Not likely mate

I wish that were true, but no one is paying more than 5 mill for someone presumably deemed not good enough for the Prem, by his own club.
We know his value, but nobody is paying the fans valuation .

[TheFamilyCat]

They have been decent but can’t say I think either are better than Benson.

It's all supposition given how little he's played, although I don't think Benson would have had the same impact those two have. Just my opinion, of course.

[Westleigh]

They have been decent but can’t say I think either are better than Benson.

Neither of them have managed the finishing that Manuel Benson has achieved ,but Odebert’s not doing bad and they both look to be a little less fragile than him,remember Darren Anderton what a player he was but didn’t get the name Sicknote for nothing ,love Benny but I’m afraid he’s like JBG used to be a couple of years ago.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It's all supposition given how little he's played, although I don't think Benson would have had the same impact those two have. Just my opinion, of course.

Tbf they have shown flashes of real talent and I think both will more than likely be better players. But I suspect there’s financial reasons as to why they both have so much game time.

Benson right now is better than both

[Darnhill Claret]

I am 100% in favour of getting an agreed fee for any player who is not able to force themselves into our match day squad, provided that Alan P and Vincent K are in agreement. As long as manager and chairman are in agreement, the club is strong.

[TheFamilyCat]

Tbf they have shown flashes of real talent and I think both will more than likely be better players. But I suspect there’s financial reasons as to why they both have so much game time.

Benson right now is better than both

I'm not sure how you can say that with such certainty given how few minutes Benson has played at this level.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm not sure how you can say that with such certainty given how few minutes Benson has played at this level.

Just from what I have seen. It’s the same why I was saying last season that Foster will be good in the prem (even though his championship was poor).

Benson has all the attributes to be successful in the prem. like I said the negative side of me thinks the likes of Koleosho and Odobert are playing because we can get a better return on them.

[Targetman]

The annoying thing with Muric being dropped is the fact that the guy who replaced him has been on the whole shite with the exception of one or two games.

I would have had no problem with Muric being replaced if the guy they got in was playing well every week.

"Sh..e"??
Whatever happened to your term "pony", or is that reserved just for Lyle Foster?

[jrgbfc]

Scored some absolute spunkers, not least the title winner at Ewood but he's a one-trick pony. No way would PL defenders allow him to cut inside like that.

If he was so much better he wouldn't be at Burnley

Must admit even last season I kept wondering why defenders kept letting him come inside on his left foot when it was obvious that was all he wanted to do.

[Ziggy Stardust]

Just from what I have seen. It’s the same why I was saying last season that Foster will be good in the prem (even though his championship was poor).

Benson has all the attributes to be successful in the prem. like I said the negative side of me thinks the likes of Koleosho and Odobert are playing because we can get a better return on them.

You really think Kompany picks the team to get financial compensation down the road rather than winning the game?

[Jakubclaret]

Just from what I have seen. It’s the same why I was saying last season that Foster will be good in the prem (even though his championship was poor).

Benson has all the attributes to be successful in the prem. like I said the negative side of me thinks the likes of Koleosho and Odobert are playing because we can get a better return on them.

That's obvious that's the common sense thing to do, if you are planning to sell something & want the highest price for it you need to demonstrate what they are about & allow them to showcase their talent & it stands to reason with more game time the likelihood of improvement thus guaranteeing maximum price.

[BurnleyFC]

Interesting that you don't mention Koleosho or Odobert.

They both predominantly play on the left.

[TheFamilyCat]

They both predominantly play on the left.

Left footed wingers. It's a fair comparison.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You really think Kompany picks the team to get financial compensation down the road rather than winning the game?

I doubt VK will get any financial gain.

I suspect the clubs ethos is about trying to get as much money from player sales as possible and league position comes secondary.

So the young lads get game time and the older lads where big money can’t be made won’t.

[BurnleyFC]

Left footed wingers. It's a fair comparison.

But Benson hardly played on the left last season (if at all?) Gudmundsson is a left footed winger but he’s also better deployed on the right.

Koleosho was nowhere near as effective on the right for us.

[Newcastleclaret93]

That's obvious that's the common sense thing to do, if you are planning to sell something & want the highest price for it you need to demonstrate what they are about & allow them to showcase their talent & it stands to reason with more game time the likelihood of improvement thus guaranteeing maximum price.

I agree, that’s definitely the way to increase a players value. But it’s also detrimental to league position

[Jakubclaret]

I agree, that’s definitely the way to increase a players value. But it’s also detrimental to league position

It's a business & businesses need to make money first & foremost. I haven't done the sums but it would appear to me it's more financially lucrative tapping into potential youth improving them & selling them on for a profit than whatever you would receive by staying in the division, you get the parachute payments & then the promotion money.

[Big Vinny K]

You are correct - you haven’t done the sums.

[thehistorylecturer58]

Just from what I have seen. It’s the same why I was saying last season that Foster will be good in the prem (even though his championship was poor).

Benson has all the attributes to be successful in the prem. like I said the negative side of me thinks the likes of Koleosho and Odobert are playing because we can get a better return on them.

When you say 'all the attributes' I think you might have just missed the biggest one that has always separated professional players down through the levels from the majority of us mere mortals who have never been paid to play the game.

[Newcastleclaret93]

That's obvious that's the common sense thing to do, if you are planning to sell something & want the highest price for it you need to demonstrate what they are about & allow them to showcase their talent & it stands to reason with more game time the likelihood of improvement thus guaranteeing maximum price.

I would imagine it’s the complete opposite, if not why wouldn’t every single championship club just sign 18 year olds and shift them on?

[Jakubclaret]

I would imagine it’s the complete opposite, if not why wouldn’t every single championship club just sign 18 year olds and shift them on?

They are pretty new to English football maybe they think there's a different better way of doing things. I'm not saying the intention is to get relegated obviously ideally they don't want that but it's a realistic scenario that that will happen the way they are consciously going about things.

[TheOriginalLongsider]

I like Benson. Don’t want to sell. I do think he is a bit soft though. Has anyone else seen him putting a gum shield in before coming on? I have.

[Kilson810]

If true then it means he's fit for a loan and VK just doesn't fancy him. Crazy when you think of some of the dross we have watched this season.

Charge them what they wanted for Tella.

[Nori1958]

Nixon apparently saying we’ve snubbed them.

I’ve always rated Nixon So it’s not happening and we can all look forward to our January’s. ‍

Mentioned earlier but removed

[Vegas Claret]

I wish that were true, but no one is paying more than 5 mill for someone presumably deemed not good enough for the Prem, by his own club.
We know his value, but nobody is paying the fans valuation .

given the annoyance we have towards Saints (apparently) we won't be giving him away for 5 million

[Quicknick]

I like Benson. Don’t want to sell. I do think he is a bit soft though. Has anyone else seen him putting a gum shield in before coming on? I have.

Why does a gumshield make him soft?

[FeedTheArf]

I like Benson. Don’t want to sell. I do think he is a bit soft though. Has anyone else seen him putting a gum shield in before coming on? I have.

Potentially some performance benefits to it apparently…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ghter.html

I’d only sell Benson to Southampton if it meant we got Clarke in return (with us paying some cash on top obviously!)

[Nori1958]

Potentially some performance benefits to it apparently…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ghter.html

I’d only sell Benson to Southampton if it meant we got Clarke in return (with us paying some cash on top obviously!)

Clarke?

[mkmel]

I think he means Adams

[NewClaret]

Mentioned earlier but removed

What, Nixon has removed his story or your post was removed?

It’s also been removed by the BBC journalist that covers us though. He will have reliable sources.