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I thought I'd save people a click by putting everything in the main title. Shame really with Taylor being injured but I suppose he was never coming back
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Signed a new contract at Chelsea before going on loan as wellTHEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:54 amI thought I'd save people a click by putting everything in the main title. Shame really with Taylor being injured but I suppose he was never coming back
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I really rate him, and it’s a shame we didn’t get him invite summer, but I don’t think he makes that much difference to our current woes.
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Seem to remember a notorious poster on here saying last season how poor a player he was….and how bad of a defender Maatsen was.
Seems to have done ok for himself
Seems to have done ok for himself
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I think there was more than one poster (myself included) who thought IM was poor defensively; as for our getting him last summer, >£30 million was rightly deemed too expensiveBig Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:05 pmSeem to remember a notorious poster on here saying last season how poor a player he was….and how bad of a defender Maatsen was.
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Young player who in the system we played last year had to do as much running as anyone in the team. He was a player who shone in particular in the second half of games because of his fitness and athleticism and one of the main reasons many teams were out on their feet in the last 25 minutes of games.AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:12 pmI think there was more than one poster (myself included) who thought IM was poor defensively; as for our getting him last summer, >£30 million was rightly deemed too expensive
The mistakes he made I thought were often being too confident and losing his concentration with daft passes sometimes. But his recovery was always good and we ended up with the best defensive record in the league. But he’s a young lad and still developing.
We’ve missed him this season for sure.
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According to the BBC today, 'Chelsea accepted a £31.5million bid from Burnley for Maatsen in the summer but he did not want to make the move'
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Im sure that was reported at the time. If you remember, a video emerged of him watching SSN saying he was still at home and going nowhere or something.
It's this last minute failed bid gives me hope we have some cash to strengthen still.
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He is a poor defender hence why Poch rarely if ever used him at full back, he's played very little minutes at Chelsea so not sure how he has done ok for himself.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:05 pmSeem to remember a notorious poster on here saying last season how poor a player he was….and how bad of a defender Maatsen was.
Seems to have done ok for himself
He has to go to Dortmund and prove himself yet and may not even get used as a full back.
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He didn’t want to come as he thought he was better then he was. Seems like many on here think the same.
If he is so great defensively, why are Chelsea sending him out on loan?
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To Borussia Dortmund, a side in the last 16 of the Champions League. Bit of context is handy there.RickyBobby wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:19 pmHe didn’t want to come as he thought he was better then he was. Seems like many on here think the same.
If he is so great defensively, why are Chelsea sending him out on loan?
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He's going to Dortmund!!RickyBobby wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:19 pmHe didn’t want to come as he thought he was better then he was. Seems like many on here think the same.
If he is so great defensively, why are Chelsea sending him out on loan?
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Dortmund are better than Chelsea.
He was great for us and he's probably feeling pretty smart right now for not coming back. Simple as that for me.
He was great for us and he's probably feeling pretty smart right now for not coming back. Simple as that for me.
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Whatever you say Mike Bassett
The very fact you say he’s a poor defender is better evidence for me that he’s a good player than Dortmund buying him or Burnley agreeing a fee of more than £30m.
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Dortmund may buy him and use him as a winger like Chelsea, he might fail at Dortmund so it doesn't give you any evidence what so everBig Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 2:49 pmWhatever you say Mike Bassett
The very fact you say he’s a poor defender is better evidence for me that he’s a good player than Dortmund buying him or Burnley agreeing a fee of more than £30m.
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Nope but someone like you saying he is a poor footballer gives me all the evidence I need.
Now jog on back to the Luton thread please - I enjoyed watching you make an idiot of yourself
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Surely you must realise by now that the words of Big VK are evidence in themselves... it's much like the word of God, he's a leg-end (not sure which end mind) in his own lunchtime
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If speaking the truth to some cry babies then I'm all for it. As for football I can guarantee I've forgot more than you've ever known.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:02 pmNope but someone like you saying he is a poor footballer gives me all the evidence I need.
Now jog on back to the Luton thread please - I enjoyed watching you make an idiot of yourself
Poch is in agreement with me by the way.
Your using Dortmund as evidence before he's even made an appearance, he could go and not play much
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He's all the evidence he needs without providing ANY evidenceAfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:13 pmSurely you must realise by now that the words of Big VK are evidence in themselves... it's much like the word of God, he's a leg-end (not sure which end mind) in his own lunchtime
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Or maybe use the vast majority of burnley supporters who thought he had a very good season for us last season ?AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:13 pmSurely you must realise by now that the words of Big VK are evidence in themselves... it's much like the word of God, he's a leg-end (not sure which end mind) in his own lunchtime
Or maybe the people who put him in the team of the year ?
Or the fact that he played in the best defence in the league ?
Or that Chelsea gave him a new contract ?
Or he is in the squad and regular gets on the pitch for a team that have spent pretty much more than any club in the world in the last couple of years ?
Or that one of the top 10 or 15 clubs in Europe in the last few years wants to buy him ?
Plenty of evidence here to support my opinion and that of most of our fans.
Not much to support the views of our resident Mike Basset who thinks he is a poor player and is “guaranteeing” he knows more about football than me or presumably most other fans.
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Go on then Mike give us the benefit of your incredible football knowledge and provide us all with your evidence that he’s a poor footballer.bumba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:23 pmIf speaking the truth to some cry babies then I'm all for it. As for football I can guarantee I've forgot more than you've ever known.
Poch is in agreement with me by the way.
Your using Dortmund as evidence before he's even made an appearance, he could go and not play much
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Funny how your already changing words, I said he's a poor defender not a poor footballerBig Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:36 pmGo on then Mike give us the benefit of your incredible football knowledge and provide us all with your evidence that he’s a poor footballer.
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Well that’s the only position he played last season when you were saying how bad he was.
But ok I’ll reword it just for you Mike.
What evidence do you have that he is a poor defender ?
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I watched him all season, he struggled defensively when against any quality winger.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:27 pmWell that’s the only position he played last season when you were saying how bad he was.
But ok I’ll reword it just for you Mike.
What evidence do you have that he is a poor defender ?
Poch refusing to use him as a left back says it all.
I can't see Dortmund using him a left back either.
Attacking wise for us when we dominated possession(in the championship) he was fine but defensively very weak.
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Getting picked in the team of the season as left back and conceding fewer goals than any other team would suggest otherwise.bumba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:38 pmI watched him all season, he struggled defensively when against any quality winger.
Poch refusing to use him as a left back says it all.
I can't see Dortmund using him a left back either.
Attacking wise for us when we dominated possession(in the championship) he was fine but defensively very weak.
Poch not playing him at left back (he has come on as left back btw but let’s ignore that point) given the squad and players he has in front of him is hardly evidence that he is a poor defender.
I’ll end it there though Mike….we are never going to agree and you are never going to present any evidence other than your eyes.
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Never needed. Tella was the one signing we messed up .
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I doubt that either Maatsen or Tella would have seen Burnley FC as their best choice, TBH.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:23 pmNever needed. Tella was the one signing we messed up .
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Can you provide me any evidence to suggest he's a premier league full back?Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:48 pmGetting picked in the team of the season as left back and conceding fewer goals than any other team would suggest otherwise.
Poch not playing him at left back (he has come on as left back btw but let’s ignore that point) given the squad and players he has in front of him is hardly evidence that he is a poor defender.
I’ll end it there though Mike….we are never going to agree and you are never going to present any evidence other than your eyes.
Not sure he's come on at full back under Poch in the premier league to be honest.
Chilwell is always injured and Cucurella isn't up to much so what competition is in front of him if he's so good?
Cullen was outstanding in the championship but has struggled in this league, Muric team of the season but can't get a league game.
There is nothing at all to suggest Maatsen has done well since rejecting us or that he would have improved us defensively at left back
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The fact he’s come on as sub to replace full backs 3 or 4 times in the last month alone kind of negates your main argument.bumba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:31 pmCan you provide me any evidence to suggest he's a premier league full back?
Not sure he's come on at full back under Poch in the premier league to be honest.
Chilwell is always injured and Cucurella isn't up to much so what competition is in front of him if he's so good?
Cullen was outstanding in the championship but has struggled in this league, Muric team of the season but can't get a league game.
There is nothing at all to suggest Maatsen has done well since rejecting us or that he would have improved us defensively at left back
The left back now has been in the last few England squads hasn’t he ?
But I have never offered any evidence or an opinion that he is a premier league full back.
You thought he was a poor defender in the championship. I and most other burnley supporters felt differently and if we are talking evidence, statistics and opinions of fellow players, managers and journalists then there appears a lot more to back up my opinion than there is yours….which as far as I can see is based on your Mike Basset eyes
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So you've nothing then big Sam?Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:48 pmThe fact he’s come on as sub to replace full backs 3 or 4 times in the last month alone kind of negates your main argument.
The left back now has been in the last few England squads hasn’t he ?
But I have never offered any evidence or an opinion that he is a premier league full back.
You thought he was a poor defender in the championship. I and most other burnley supporters felt differently and if we are talking evidence, statistics and opinions of fellow players, managers and journalists then there appears a lot more to back up my opinion than there is yours….which as far as I can see is based on your Mike Basset eyes
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No sleep lost by me. Charlie is the man we need.
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He’s an ambitious lad, good luck to him
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A very good young player who I think we’ve missed this year.
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Agree with him being poor defensively. Looking at how we have been this season he may not have even got into our team. Technically good and I imagine he’ll be used further forward. Still young though and can improve
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Is there anything at all positive you have to say?
Just relentlessly slag off everything, from players to manager. Doesn’t even matter if Maatsen was a huge part in a team that won 101 points and gave us fans a memorable season, even that contribution doesn’t save him from your negative bs.
The only player you have supported is Muric but that’s just because VK isn’t picking him so it’s just to slag off VK. The only people who are so pro Muric are the VK outers, you don’t think Muric is the answer he’s just a piece in your game. You’re not the only one doing it either, we all see which posters are.
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Haven't read the whole thread yet but I really rate Maatsen. Think he was the priority left back in the summer and that we've missed him this season. Spent the first few weeks of the campaign trying to find someone in the squad who can do what he does but there wasn't anyone so we had to change it up and put Taylor back in there, who's been decent to be fair.
He's such an intelligent footballer and was awesome for us last season. Can see him fitting in at Dortmund, and with Champions League football to boot. He must have something about him hey?
He's such an intelligent footballer and was awesome for us last season. Can see him fitting in at Dortmund, and with Champions League football to boot. He must have something about him hey?
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Dreadful at defending, excellent going forwards from full back. Would have been a car crash this season for us, lucky escape.
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Good enough for one of the top teams in Germany, yet a ‘lucky escape’ for us. It’s certainly a puzzler.
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nobody played him at left back at Chelsea for a reason, he'll do well at Dortmund no doubt but it will be very interesting to see what position they play him in.
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You, super Johnny and Bumba.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:27 amNot true...
Though Maatsen was bloody brilliant at getting us on the front foot. Should do well in Germany.
You’re all just huge Muric fans right
Come off it, you’re only pretending to be huge Muric fans because Kompany isn’t picking him so you can use Muric to dig at VK. You did the exact same with Larsen, pretending he was some super player and VK couldn’t see it, until Larsen started and was crap.
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There are plenty of huge Muric fans amongst all Clarets!KRBFC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:12 amYou, super Johnny and Bumba.
You’re all just huge Muric fans right
Come off it, you’re only pretending to be huge Muric fans because Kompany isn’t picking him so you can use Muric to dig at VK. You did the exact same with Larsen, pretending he was some super player and VK couldn’t see it, until Larsen started and was crap.
For me I just think we're collectively better with Aro between the sticks and I think it's really apparent, if I thought Traff gave us a better chance of winning then I'd want him in the net, really is that simple.
Think that's very harsh saying JBL was 'crap' when he eventually started, I just said from the off that I think he's a talented player and he has done well for us in spurts - I VK has managed him well in all honesty.
Stop looking at things with a confrontational lens, I try and reason my posts with some sort of logic, not just being confrontational.
I've been one of O'Shea (admittedly was bewildered at first) and Delcroix's biggest defenders on here (and to Clarets in real life), so I think that response and trying to accuse me as some sort of troll is fair b0llocks.
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Your hilarious you slated everything about the club for years now your acting like the real fan!KRBFC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:14 amIs there anything at all positive you have to say?
Just relentlessly slag off everything, from players to manager. Doesn’t even matter if Maatsen was a huge part in a team that won 101 points and gave us fans a memorable season, even that contribution doesn’t save him from your negative bs.
The only player you have supported is Muric but that’s just because VK isn’t picking him so it’s just to slag off VK. The only people who are so pro Muric are the VK outers, you don’t think Muric is the answer he’s just a piece in your game. You’re not the only one doing it either, we all see which posters are.
I've never been VK out I've just wanted him to change which he slowly is doing. Muric is our best keeper so why would I not want him in goal?
The positive outcome was we didn't spunk £31 million on Maatsen!
Not sure how it can be negative saying he was great going forward but lacked defensively it's just an absolute fact but you say it's a negative.
A different view to yours doesn't make it a negative.