He is not good enough for the PL when we need him to be so. A signing that hasn't worked out.
I'm sure Kompany and the club are doing everything to make him feel at home but it isn't making a difference
He is not good enough for the PL when we need him to be so. A signing that hasn't worked out.
I freely admit I didn't see last night's game so can't judge on Tresor's appearance last night but JBG has created more goalscoring opportunities than anyone in our squad, they may not all have materialised into goals but he's our most productive creator.
EffortQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:20 pmThis site doesn't allow sub ratings on the players ratings thread, if less than 20 minutes.
Yet you call a 10 minute appearance as a display.
Did you really expect much from any sub coming on for a few minutes at the end on a freezing night?
What is the usual Burnley anti-flair player bias?CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:22 pmJust checked the stats because I detect the usual Burnley “anti flair player bias” on here.
Vitinho, Brownhill and Amdouni (somebody else ridiculed wrongly for this) were the only players to attempt more tackles than Tresor last night. He won one, missed two, OK, he isn’t very good at tackling, but to be accused of a lack of effort isn’t just thick and wrong, it is also insulting to our own player. In contrast, Foster, who I thought was total effort throughout despite not looking fully fit, attempted just one tackle. By the way Barkley tried eight, the most of anyone.
Obviously the wrong sub at the wrong time, him and Larsen only had 4 touches each and if we are letting Luton have the ball and sitting deep, they are the wrong players, but that is a totally different issue, and it didn’t cost us the game. The referee did.
Burnley fans love a “runner” as you well know.JohnMcGreal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:44 pmWhat is the usual Burnley anti-flair player bias?
If you cast your mind back to last season, the vast majority of fans fell head over heels for a team packed with flair players, who delivered some of the best memories we'll ever have supporting this club.
But do you know what else those players had beyond flair? They had heart and desire. They bought into the club and the project and gave it their all, playing some brilliant attacking football in the process.
That's why there was such a strong connection between that team and the fans, and why there's barely any connection with some of these players.
Don't talk tosh about anti-flair player bias. It's purely the lack of effort and application that people won't accept.
Find all the stats you like but fans can spot a lazy player who can't be arsed when they see one.
Define a tackle attempt. He made no serious effort to win the ball. It was pathetic. Dangling a leg out or being nearby a challenge is not a proper attempt. That statistic does not pass the eye test and that statistic if we use it as a focus will not build a team sufficiently competitive to be successful in any league competition. This has nothing to do with loving a runner or being anti-flair, it is about values and effective team building. We have some incredibly talented players but their work ethic is not acceptable. The contrast yesterday was sharp.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:37 pmThe bit I won’t tolerate though, is “supporters” calling out players for a lack of desire or effort, when the stats don’t bear that out and they have no idea what is in a player’s head. Somebody who dismisses the stats (e.g. Tresor’s 3 tackle attempts last night in just 9 minutes) in favour of what “fans can spot” is proving my point.
This worries me even more, he looks a totally different player. Where's that pace and energy gone, has he had a serious injury at some point?claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:06 amThis is his Postman Pat video from before he signed
https://youtu.be/NfHh-GFAbV0?si=sEzzpT6SOAXGXnUx
We have bought him.cblantfanclub wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:53 amAlways got the impression in the press that he didn't want to come and we were his last choice. It feels like that and the discovery he' have to be on top of his game in this league has led to a lack of application or maybe like some he was a one season wonder.
Whatever the reason for his lackluster season I hope he improves or at least we don't find ourselves having to buy him. Meanwhile I'll do my best to support him on the pitch.
No argument he hasn't produced what we expected, or needed, but the league has loads of quality players who took over a season to find their feet.
it's not bad for us tbh, some players are written off before they even sign a contract !Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:18 amRemember, Foster wasn't anywhere near Championship level 6 months ago. And now could end up being our POTY
There's a player in Tresor, somewhere. Seems idiotic writing him off at this stage
I genuinely didnt think it was him at one point. He looks more like your rapid, all action Koleosho type of winger in the clips.Jellybean wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:11 amGoliath I agree, he looks a completely different player, can't believe the energy on display as I've not seen that at all in our matches, it all just passes him by. I guess Kompany is persisting in the hope that at some point he comes to life but as others have said we don't have the luxury of time.
To think these are clips from 4-5 years ago when he was still playing at Willem II. For some reason his best footage from last season, which is by far his best so far, isn't on YouTube.
I actually think it's the other way around and he wanted to come from the get go. He also expressed his interest in Burnley at the start of the window. But I reckon VK wanted Lukebakio and mostly Bakayoko ahead of him. Which makes Tresor third choice and I think he was a bit disappointed with this. Therefore maybe he had second thoughts about coming to Burnley.cblantfanclub wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:53 amAlways got the impression in the press that he didn't want to come and we were his last choice. It feels like that and the discovery he' have to be on top of his game in this league has led to a lack of application or maybe like some he was a one season wonder.
Whatever the reason for his lackluster season I hope he improves or at least we don't find ourselves having to buy him. Meanwhile I'll do my best to support him on the pitch.
Did he have a serious injury at some point?Anthonini wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:29 amTo think these are clips from 4-5 years ago when he was still playing at Willem II. For some reason his best footage from last season, which is by far his best so far, isn't on YouTube.
As mentioned above he's a great player for a dominant side that has possession of the ball. He's good at creating opportunities and giving through balls. Unfortunately we're running after the opponent more than anything.
In VK's defence, Lukebakio and Bakayoko are way better on the counter attack than Tresor who's more of a team player that needs movement around him.
Ramsey is in the same pigeonhole for many on here.Roosterbooster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:18 amRemember, Foster wasn't anywhere near Championship level 6 months ago. And now could end up being our POTY
There's a player in Tresor, somewhere. Seems idiotic writing him off at this stage
If you're playing at Anderlecht u21 or Dutch eredivisie (know for it's emphasis on attacking tactical possession play rather than defending hard) it's a whole other animal than running behind top players in the PL.
He was fantastic for Boro, staggering how many have missed it. High ceiling and played a decent amount of football for someone his age. Sadly, patience isn't a word some understand though.
He had a minor thigh injury after a challenge, that did make him miss a part of the preparation for this season.Goliath wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:36 amDid he have a serious injury at some point?
He looks like a different type of player now to back then.
I'm not sure he will be given that many more chances to become a good player for us after that showing against Luton. He's had plenty of opportunity to show what he can do so he really needs to take one soon or he risks Zaroury overtaking him in the pecking order
It will be interesting to see if he wants to stay when we are relegated, a season fighting it out twice a week in the Championship might be what he needsAnthonini wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:42 amIf you're playing at Anderlecht u21 or Dutch eredivisie (know for it's emphasis on attacking tactical possession play rather than defending hard) it's a whole other animal than running behind top players in the PL.
His last season in Belgium was very good but he also needed a year to become what he was last season. Not to forget a coach who trusted him and kept playing him in the starting 11 until he started to perform.
Don't even think he's a good substitute player but one that needs to feel confidence to thrive.
IF we are relegated you'd assume we'd have the majority of possession in games again, this would probably suit Tresor. What we can't do is carry players who won't/can't do the dirty work.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:45 amIt will be interesting to see if he wants to stay when we are relegated, a season fighting it out twice a week in the Championship might be what he needs
Goody1975 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:01 pmIF we are relegated you'd assume we'd have the majority of possession in games again, this would probably suit Tresor. What we can't do is carry players who won't/can't do the dirty work.
I personally think his 'lack of effort' is exaggerated and like is said above he probably needs regular minutes to get into the flow of games.
The Luton game was the completely wrong scenario to throw him in, especially when Luton were having so much of the ball.
It's really noticeable that last season there were plenty of positive comments about Kompany and his decision making when it came to subs and also the early timing of them. VK is struggling at this level to get it right, he's learning too but for me he isn't learning quickly enough. A more experienced coach alongside him may have been a good idea...Goody1975 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:01 pmIF we are relegated you'd assume we'd have the majority of possession in games again, this would probably suit Tresor. What we can't do is carry players who won't/can't do the dirty work.
I personally think his 'lack of effort' is exaggerated and like is said above he probably needs regular minutes to get into the flow of games.
The Luton game was the completely wrong scenario to throw him in, especially when Luton were having so much of the ball.
Yes, he did do that, and in a critical stage of the game. One of those missed tackles led to the move that Luton scored from.Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:09 pmHe completely chickened out of a couple of tackles against Luton.....very poor.
I agree he hasn't had enough chances to impress....maybe he'll come good, given the chance.
It is for me too!dougcollins wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:11 pmYes, he did do that, and in a critical stage of the game. One of those missed tackles led to the move that Luton scored from.
It's hard for fans to get past that.