Post match presser

[123EasyasBFC]

The board is split, the art of discussion is only practiced by a few, the rest just choose a side and defend it no matter what’s been offered to support one side or the other.

There’s people licking wounds about the past and lamenting the changes that have happened. People don’t have the same access to the club, and that’s muddying opinions.

Some even target individuals and just post to belittle them. Then cry out if they receive the same. It’s all not okay.

This board is a mess currently, and the mods have their work cut out.

The double standards on every thread is there to be seen

[Jakubclaret]

The board is split, the art of discussion is only practiced by a few, the rest just choose a side and defend it no matter what’s been offered to support one side or the other.

There’s people licking wounds about the past and lamenting the changes that have happened. People don’t have the same access to the club, and that’s muddying opinions.

Some even target individuals and just post to belittle them. Then cry out if they receive the same. It’s all not okay.

This board is a mess currently, and the mods have their work cut out.

"This board is a mess currently, and the mods have their work cut out."

It's not going to get any easier for them with 2 more likely defeats looming on the horizon & a manager who doesn't know his arsehole from his elbow.
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[Big Vinny K]

Stop talking out of your elbow

[Woonderbah]

I dont see this team having the minerals to get anywhere in the championship unless he gets expensive loans again, we shall see.

Did we have expensive loans last season ?.. Maatsen had been on loan at Coventry and was no where near Chelsea's first team.. Tella was on the fringes at Southampton.. Harwood-Bellis had been on loan at Rovers and making the odd appearance at City.. They wouldn't have attracted a huge loan fee.
It was Burnley and VK who launched their big money moves and developed their careers.
And he'll do the same with Odobert, Koleosho etc and I certainly don't see anything to fear with another season in the Championship other than a headache for the club's accountants.

[gandhisflipflop]

"This board is a mess currently, and the mods have their work cut out."

It's not going to get any easier for them with 2 more likely defeats looming on the horizon & a manager who doesn't know his arsehole from his elbow.
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I can just imagine how that conversation goes.

Pace “Vinny I’m gunna have to let you go mate”

Vinny “why?”

Pace “up the clarets posters are becoming very restless and are arguing with each other about pointless ****. Jakob claret wants you to find your elbow and your arse”

Vinny “I can’t do that boss”

Pace “ I rest my case. You’re dismissed”

[dandeclaret]

for those calling out VK...............have a look at Eddie Howe. Early part of his career he simply couldn't organize a defence, it was all about outscoring the opposition. He left Bournemouth, spent time in Madrid with Simeone and learned how to set a team up. Staggering how quickly people get written off and aren't given the opportunity to improve, it's the one thing as a club we've done reasonably well over the years.

I found this interesting over the weekend....

[Swizzlestick]

NUFC bit of an odd side at the moment, which I guess comes with having pots of money. They did have the joint best defensive record in the league last season (with City) to be fair

[Nori1958]

Say were near bottom of the league after ten games next season then what would you do?

Show my backside in woollies window

[kentonclaret]

I would have personally sacked him after 10 games. Right now probably Lopetgui or Will Still

If we got rid of ten games or so ago, I would have probably tried for someone like Amorim or Farioli (who I suspect is the next De Zerbi)

Not sure any of them would even be interested now.

For the record I don’t get your point about Howe, he’s the same as Dyche both incredibly successful premier league managers that have had a relegation. That’s not remotely similar to
VK.

Also Bournemouths net spend across them 4 seasons was around 100m. Ours is looking larger than that in one season.

Is this the same Lopetegui that walked out on Wolves just before the season kicked off claiming that tens of millions of £’sss needed to be spent for them to have any chance of being competitive in the PL?
Gary O’Neil has proved that assumption to be totally misguided.
Lopetegui is a busted flush. Not the first time in his career he has spat out his dummy.

[Big Vinny K]

I would have personally sacked him after 10 games. Right now probably Lopetgui or Will Still

If we got rid of ten games or so ago, I would have probably tried for someone like Amorim or Farioli (who I suspect is the next De Zerbi)

Not sure any of them would even be interested now.

For the record I don’t get your point about Howe, he’s the same as Dyche both incredibly successful premier league managers that have had a relegation. That’s not remotely similar to
VK.

Also Bournemouths net spend across them 4 seasons was around 100m. Ours is looking larger than that in one season.

You’ve surpassed even your own level of stupidity here.

Why have you picked out one season spend for Burnley and 4 seasons net spend for Bournemouth ?

You do realise brought in a fortune in player sales in VKs first season ?

What was Bournemouth’s net spend this season ? They have spent the best part of £80m on players who have hardly featured and their total net spend was more than ours.

[Vegas Claret]

Anyone can pick out a few. Again you have picked out one of my comments I Yo Yoed all summer at one point I said we would **** the league (funnily enough you missed that comment out)

No one ever mentions the things I get right that I was laughed at for.
Like being the only person on here saying Dyche would be sacked before the end of the season.

there were loads I could have picked, don't take it personally though I threw myself under the bus there too ! It was more about you being so adamant about things when you very rarely (like all of us) get it right.

[Vegas Claret]

I found this interesting over the weekend....

probably has something to do with him missing half a team

[JBR]

Show my backside in woollies window

Hope you’ve been on the treadmill

[Nori1958]

Hope you’ve been on the treadmill

So you think we'll be bottom of the championship after 10 games? Fancy a 100 quid bet for charity?

[KlyBfc]

We won’t be anywhere near the bottom of the championship next season and I’m usually a pessimist.
I have major frustrations with VK at the moment and I will admit I gave a loud boo when that second goal went in on Saturday (not particularly at the players more at the whole situation which has unfolded this year). However I wouldn’t sack him and he openly has admitted before it is common for him to have a high turn over of players from season to season, so I don’t think that phases him. We also have more than enough talent to perform well in the championship, even if some players leave, you only have to watch the games and see how comfortable the three relegated teams are doing to believe that.
Below is a strong championship squad even without a few necessary additions

Trafford Muric
Roberts Vitinhio
Ekdal Oshea Al Dahkil Esteve Beyer
Brownhill Berge Cullen JBG Massengo
Benson Zaroury Redmond
Foster

That’s if Tresor Brun Larsen Odobert Koleosho Taylor leave. Others may as well (Foster, Roberts, Berge, Benson Brownhill) but players will also come in and there is Obafemi and the young Anderlecht lad to add to it too.

[ClaretPete001]

We won’t be anywhere near the bottom of the championship next season and I’m usually a pessimist.
I have major frustrations with VK at the moment and I will admit I gave a loud boo when that second goal went in on Saturday (not particularly at the players more at the whole situation which has unfolded this year). However I wouldn’t sack him and he openly has admitted before it is common for him to have a high turn over of players from season to season, so I don’t think that phases him. We also have more than enough talent to perform well in the championship, even if some players leave, you only have to watch the games and see how comfortable the three relegated teams are doing to believe that.
Below is a strong championship squad even without a few necessary additions

Trafford Muric
Roberts Vitinhio
Ekdal Oshea Al Dahkil Esteve Beyer
Brownhill Berge Cullen JBG Massengo
Benson Zaroury Redmond
Foster

That’s if Tresor Brun Larsen Odobert Koleosho Taylor leave. Others may as well (Foster, Roberts, Berge, Benson Brownhill) but players will also come in and there is Obafemi and the young Anderlecht lad to add to it too.

You should be a politician! To manufacture a decent squad you've left in the players most likely to leave. Brownhill is out of contract, Berge is player of the year and Foster has a nigh on 1 in 3 return in the PL.

[Vegas Claret]

You should be a politician! To manufacture a decent squad you've left in the players most likely to leave. Brownhill is out of contract, Berge is player of the year and Foster has a nigh on 1 in 3 return in the PL.

Brownhill isn't out of contract, we will extend it for the extra year

[JBR]

Brownhill isn't out of contract, we will extend it for the extra year

He’s not actually bad at the level below.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You’ve surpassed even your own level of stupidity here.

Why have you picked out one season spend for Burnley and 4 seasons net spend for Bournemouth ?

You do realise brought in a fortune in player sales in VKs first season ?

What was Bournemouth’s net spend this season ? They have spent the best part of £80m on players who have hardly featured and their total net spend was more than ours.

Try reading to get all of the context.

This discussion was about Eddie Howe. So why would I include this seasons spend in that discussion?

The discussion was also about premier league spend. So why would I include championship sales?

[ClaretPete001]

Brownhill isn't out of contract, we will extend it for the extra year

Unless he has a relegation clause.

[Vegas Claret]

Unless he has a relegation clause.

well he seemingly didn't last year and it's the same contract (that's me taking as much of a guess at it as you are btw, we will find out in summer, I'd personally sell him)

[Vegas Claret]

Try reading to get all of the context.

This discussion was about Eddie Howe. So why would I include this seasons spend in that discussion?

The discussion was also about premier league spend. So why would I include championship sales?

it wasn't about Howe (I used him as an example though because of our connection but I could have used others), it was a conversation about the miracle of people given time often improve as they build their skills and knowledge and that sacking a manager doesn't guarantee anything

[ClaretPete001]

well he seemingly didn't last year and it's the same contract (that's me taking as much of a guess at it as you are btw, we will find out in summer, I'd personally sell him)

Indeed, I wouldn't sell him - he's a good player.

[123EasyasBFC]

Try reading to get all of the context.

This discussion was about Eddie Howe. So why would I include this seasons spend in that discussion?

The discussion was also about premier league spend. So why would I include championship sales?

You can’t say why would you use championship spends but use Bournemouths 4 year net spend towards our 12 months net spend, it’s simply not a fair measure

[Vegas Claret]

Indeed, I wouldn't sell him - he's a good player.

In the championship yes, he's had 2 cracks at the PL and for me he falls in that category of not quite being at the level but too good for the one below. He would get in squads for other teams but I doubt he would get that many starts. That's not to say I don't think he's a good player though, more that the level is high now

[ClaretPete001]

In the championship yes, he's had 2 cracks at the PL and for me he falls in that category of not quite being at the level but too good for the one below. He would get in squads for other teams but I doubt he would get that many starts. That's not to say I don't think he's a good player though, more that the level is high now

I think the team looked much better once he was back in. And the Berge Brownhill centre-mid pairing has competed in most games.

Clearly, not at the weekend because VK decided to change formation again but generally speaking those two have done well in a 4-4-2.

I think he's a better player than you give him credit it for... And he's exactly the kind of player you have to work with on our budget.

Him and Berge are the last players I'd sell from this squad.

[Vegas Claret]

I think the team looked much better once he was back in. And the Berge Brownhill centre-mid pairing has competed in most games.

Clearly, not at the weekend because VK decided to change formation again but generally speaking those two have done well in a 4-4-2.

I think he's a better player than you give him credit it for... And he's exactly the kind of player you have to work with on our budget.

Him and Berge are the last players I'd sell from this squad.

I think I've given him plenty of credit tbh, not sure why you reckon I haven't. Just because I don't think he's as good as you do doesn't mean I think he's not a good player does it ?

[123EasyasBFC]

I think I've given him plenty of credit tbh, not sure why you reckon I haven't. Just because I don't think he's as good as you do doesn't mean I think he's not a good player does it ?

Had we spent the Tresor or Trafford money on another cm to play alongside Berge then I think our form would look a lot different to, brownhill looks busy and has an engine on him but he just doesn’t have the quality in the premier league to play in a midfield 2 and that’s no shade on brownhill, he fights for the club and gets Burnley.

[Vegas Claret]

Had we spent the Tresor or Trafford money on another cm to play alongside Berge then I think our form would look a lot different to, brownhill looks busy and has an engine on him but he just doesn’t have the quality in the premier league to play in a midfield 2 and that’s no shade on brownhill, he fights for the club and gets Burnley.

Yeah I think that's roughly about where I am with him. Flip side is if you put him in a better team will he look better?. Swings and roundabouts. He's been good for us for the most part

[ClaretPete001]

I think I've given him plenty of credit tbh, not sure why you reckon I haven't. Just because I don't think he's as good as you do doesn't mean I think he's not a good player does it ?

Without wishing to descend into semantics, albeit anal pedancy is my thing - if I think he is better than you then the remark that I don't think you give him enough credit is just a statement of fact. It's not a reflection of how much you give him credit. One kind of infers the other ...

I don't think we disagree really

[Vegas Claret]

Without wishing to descend into semantics, albeit anal pedancy is my thing

I hadn't noticed Pete Yes, I think we agree pretty much !

[ClaretPete001]

Had we spent the Tresor or Trafford money on another cm to play alongside Berge then I think our form would look a lot different to, brownhill looks busy and has an engine on him but he just doesn’t have the quality in the premier league to play in a midfield 2 and that’s no shade on brownhill, he fights for the club and gets Burnley.

Don't play him in a midfield two - the same can be said of Cullen.

Buying experienced PL centre mids is not cheap and they don't fit into the ALK project.

I think Brownhill improved the side when he came in and does a decent job. He is a PL player albeit possibly a squad player but nonetheless you need those players in your squad.

[123EasyasBFC]

Don't play him in a midfield two - the same can be said of Cullen.

Buying experienced PL centre mids is not cheap and they don't fit into the ALK project.

I think Brownhill improved the side when he came in and does a decent job. He is a PL player albeit possibly a squad player but nonetheless you need those players in your squad.

We wanted Eric Dier and James Milner in the summer, and we signed Redmond and nearly signed Townsend, not all of the ALK project is just young players

[Burnley Ace]

Where are we in the Xg League Table ? Can we ask the Premier League to take it into account ?

No, but it’s indicative of what went on.