Today’s thread - Liverpool v Burnley

[Murger]

You said look how they’re doing so I did and they’re getting pumped,you never mentioned the table.

Are you serious? They are comfortably staying up. We are getting tubbed every game. Yet they lose today and it’s somehow proof they’re no better than VK?

[xxmunkyennuixx]

The starting back four is a major positive. Much better. The VAR non-decision is poor and we need to make a big deal out of it as a club. Forest, Bournemouth, Villa, Liverpool, West Ham Luton have all seen bad decisions that have majorly cost us.

[jojomk1]

We were competitive for 70 mins. Esteve injury was big and caution was the right thing.

We had a real mixture of performances out there individually.

Loads of positives to build on, but some thins VK absolutely has to change because they just are not working.

We did well.

Good summary

Based on today, I wouldn't start Brownhill, Ramsey and Amdouni next week

But VK likely will

[RVclaret]

Story of our season really. Outdone in both boxes despite matching our opponent in the middle. Individual mistakes, unlucky with a VAR decision and sadly why we won’t stay up.

[Kilson810]

Overall a decent performance away at a top side. Shame we don't turn up like that in the more winnable games. Individual errors yet again.

If only VK could bring himself to drop Trafford or Amdouni, or make subs when it's clear they are needed (not when the game is already gone).

[fidelcastro]

Not bottom and still only 7 points from 17th

Yes, but we need to win games in order to make up that deficit.

[FCBurnley]

Will be banned from the touchline next week against Arsenal.

Might be a good thing.

[123EasyasBFC]

Minus the missed chances the 3 new boys and Berge played excellent today

[Burnley Ace]

Benson had some great moments playing against weak teams in the Championship, to imagine he’s going to rip it up against Liverpool is just childish fantasy

[HahaYeah]

Pretty good performance on the whole.

[CoolClaret]

Benson had some great moments playing against weak teams in the Championship, to imagine he’s going to rip it up against Liverpool is just childish fantasy

Stop misappropriating people's points.

No one is expecting him to single handedly destroy Liverpool, more that he could have a go and cause them problems.

Berge done well today, he was in the Champ last season!

[Murger]

Benson had some great moments playing against weak teams in the Championship, to imagine he’s going to rip it up against Liverpool is just childish fantasy

Maybe he can’t do it against Liverpool. But how do we know?

[spt_claret]

We’re playing away against Liverpool mate, where’s the perspective? We’re a newly promoted side losing 3-1 at Anfield.

Where’s the shock or surprise? We’ve done really well today and competed, missed two huge chances to make it 2-2

I agree mostly but I think the frustration comes from the fact that yes, today we were right in it and we've had good chances spurned and yes, regardless of Trafford/Amdouni making mistakes their second goal had a blatant foul on Ramsay which it's absurd wasn't given.... but we still don't seem to learn. Trafford once again has his bizarre mix of great saves and costly mistakes while our play style remains geared more towards Muric's style- if Trafford is #1 why not play to his strengths more, which aren't passing through the lines or being on the ball. We're chasing a game with a proven impact sub on the bench, prep defensive subs instead, and stick with those even when the defecit widens. Fofana last week and City are basically the only times I can think of that a sub has positively impacted the game.

I can gladly accept putting up a valiant fight for survival but failing. I'd rather not accept resignation to relegation, but can accept that this is still WIP and provided we retain the majority of this team we should in theory comfortably bounce back and be more seasoned next time. But there's basic errors we don't learn from and a lot of issues regarding approach or decision making that feel one step forward, two steps back

That's the frustration. Just because some people feel that frustration and you don't doesn't make them anti-BFC boo boys. You'd get frustrated by 2 games without a win under Dyche, surely you can understand that criticism and frustration doesn't equal being a boo boy waiting for failure?

[Woodleyclaret]

Benny would have been a better option than Ramsey, what our scouts saw in him is a complete mystery

[boyyanno]

We’re playing away against Liverpool mate, where’s the perspective? We’re a newly promoted side losing 3-1 at Anfield.

Where’s the shock or surprise? We’ve done really well today and competed, missed two huge chances to make it 2-2

Perspective works both ways. We were playing Liverpool yes, but:

We are also joint bottom of the league after 24 games.

It's not been good enough. You slagged Dyche when he was doing much better than this so can you stop with the hypocritical crap.

[Elizabeth]

Young inexperienced players should not be targeted for these defeats. There has to be the big question as why so many of them have been thrown together at the same time.
That undoubtedly will be the reason we are relegated. I know there is a small number who can stomach this but I believe the majority of us are very fed up with it

[Somethingfishy]

Good summary

Based on today, I wouldn't start Brownhill, Ramsey and Amdouni next week

But VK likely will

Brownhill and Amdouni shouldn't be near the team. Theyve both been poor all season. Amdouni disappeared after a decent start to the game..as he often does. Ramsay isn't ready.

I thought we did well today in general and were a lot more competitive than I thought we would be. Missed big chances at key moments and the non VAR decision for their second changed the game at that time.
The biggest plus was the defence and how much more solid we looked with the new guys both starting. Assignon is a major upgrade from where we were and looks a good signing. Esteve looked assured and confident and I only hope his injury isn't too bad.

[123EasyasBFC]

Actually thought Ramsey played well today

[boatshed bill]

Young inexperienced players should not be targeted for these defeats. There has to be the big question as why so many of them have been thrown together at the same time.
That undoubtedly will be the reason we are relegated. I know there is a small number who can stomach this but I believe the majority of us are very fed up with it

Yes, you deserve so much better.

[warksclaret]

When we inevitably go down its not games like this we reflect on but some shambolic performances, mistakes and chances missed against the likes of Palace, Bournemouth, WHU, Fulham, Brentford, Luton and a few more.

Appears we have today discovered our best back four. Forget the numerous mistakes made all year, and VAR had we had two to three genuine goal scorers all season we would have been higher up the table. With goal scorers you can play badly and still win. Could easily have drawn both games v Liverpool and taken points off other teams

[Foshiznik]

When we inevitably go down its not games like this we reflect on but some shambolic performances, mistakes and chances missed against the likes of Palace, Bournemouth, WHU, Fulham, Brentford, Luton and a few more.

Appears we have today discovered our best back four. Forget the numerous mistakes made all year, and VAR had we had two to three genuine goal scorers all season we would have been higher up the table. With goal scorers you can play badly and still win. Could easily have drawn both games v Liverpool and taken points off other teams

If only natural proven goalscorers didn’t cost north of £50m plus…

[warksclaret]

If only natural proven goalscorers didn’t cost north of £50m plus…

They don't all cost £50m plus , unless you are either Chelsea or Man Utd. We could have got Tella for circa £20m, and maybe even got Palmer on loan in August had VK used his influence. Archer at Sheff Utd was availble for £18m-pretty certain he would have brought more to us than both Ramsey and Tresor, and I have seen him tear Villa apart one game and play well in others for Sheffield. Where theres a will thers a way. Thats before we even started looking overseas

[boatshed bill]

They don't all cost £50m plus , unless you are either Chelsea or Man Utd. We could have got Tella for circa £20m, and maybe even got Palmer on loan in August had VK used his influence. Archer at Sheff Utd was availble for £18m-pretty certain he would have brought more to us than both Ramsey and Tresor, and I have seen him tear Villa apart one game and play well in others for Sheffield. Where theres a will thers a way. Thats before we even started looking overseas

How do you know we didn't try and those players didn't turn us down?

[Boss Hogg]

Will be banned from the touchline next week against Arsenal.

It might help us.

[warksclaret]

How do you know we didn't try and those players didn't turn us down?

I think we did with Tella but clearly would not go to a certain value. And I am pretty certain before a ball was kicked this season that Archer given the choice would have preferred us to Sheff Utd. But lets face it neither of us know. My point being that you dont need £50m a player when acquiring good forwards

[boatshed bill]

I think we did with Tella but clearly would not go to a certain value. And I am pretty certain before a ball was kicked this season that Archer given the choice would have preferred us to Sheff Utd. But lets face it neither of us know. My point being that you dont need £50m a player when acquiring good forwards

Not sure there's any evidence that either would have signed for burnley.
Not sure how many strikers at under £25m would be any better than what we have.

[Elizabeth]

Yes, you deserve so much better.

Better than you bill

[boatshed bill]

Better than you bill

So what do I deserve?

[wilks_bfc]

They don't all cost £50m plus , unless you are either Chelsea or Man Utd. We could have got Tella for circa £20m, and maybe even got Palmer on loan in August had VK used his influence. Archer at Sheff Utd was availble for £18m-pretty certain he would have brought more to us than both Ramsey and Tresor, and I have seen him tear Villa apart one game and play well in others for Sheffield. Where theres a will thers a way. Thats before we even started looking overseas

You honesty think we’d have got Palmer on loan when City knew they could sell him and get £40m?

[Woodleyclaret]

We missed Foster so why didn't he play Jay upfront and move Amoundi in mf behind the front two.

[Kilson810]

We missed Foster so why didn't he play Jay upfront and move Amoundi in mf behind the front two.

Because Amdouni has to play every week

[boatshed bill]

Is it possible that VK is contractually bound to play Fofana ?

[taio]

Is it possible that VK is contractually bound to play Fofana ?

Anything is possible contractually providing the two parties agree. Very unlikely though I'd have thought.

[boatshed bill]

Anything is possible contractually providing the two parties agree. Very unlikely though I'd have thought.

The other possibility is that 2 changes, Fofana and Rodriguez for Foster and Amdouni, is too much.

[taio]

The other possibility is that 2 changes, Fofana and Rodriguez for Foster and Amdouni, is too much.

Much more likely than us being contractually bound.

[Elizabeth]

So what do I deserve?

Whatever you want , hope it's more than I'm getting from this season

[boatshed bill]

Whatever you want , hope it's more than I'm getting from this season

I don't know how old you are, but I started going to league football matches at 11 years old. There wasn't much live football on TV in 1962, getting to a real match was the "reward", the result was a bonus.
I guess I'm still a bit like that now.

[Elizabeth]

I don't know how old you are, but I started going to league football matches at 11 years old. There wasn't much live football on TV in 1962, getting to a real match was the "reward", the result was a bonus.
I guess I'm still a bit like that now.

Just so you know , I'm of a similar age not that it should matter.

[boatshed bill]

Just so you know , I'm of a similar age not that it should matter.

Then perhaps you can remember the joy of just getting to a league match.
It's all about money now, and far too analytical for it's own good.

[Elizabeth]

Then perhaps you can remember the joy of just getting to a league match.
It's all about money now, and far too analytical for it's own good.

I think you have summed up our club under it's present management and ownership very well

[boatshed bill]

I think you have summed up our club under it's present management and ownership very well

Well, that is your interpretation.

[alwaysaclaret]

Will be banned from the touchline next week against Arsenal.

Maybe it will give him chance to see a game in a proper light, and realise where he's gone wrong, oh well we can hope.

[boatshed bill]

Maybe it will give him chance to see a game in a proper light, and realise where he's gone wrong, oh well we can hope.

Perhaps he'll get to sit next to one of our resident experts who can put him right on just about everything he's doing wrong.
What a bonus!!

[warksclaret]

You honesty think we’d have got Palmer on loan when City knew they could sell him and get £40m?

They got £40m because it was Chelsea who are absolutely mugs when you look at what they play for players without any negotiation. Yes I think it was possible in Summer to have got him on loan. A good loan with us could have really pushed up his value and City would have benefitted. There was even a lot of talk in us being interested in him at the time

[NewClaret]

They got £40m because it was Chelsea who are absolutely mugs when you look at what they play for players without any negotiation. Yes I think it was possible in Summer to have got him on loan. A good loan with us could have really pushed up his value and City would have benefitted. There was even a lot of talk in us being interested in him at the time

Do you think he’d have wanted to join us with Chelsea interested?

[warksclaret]

Do you think he’d have wanted to join us with Chelsea interested?

NO and you know that. Chelsea showed interest in him, but only 6 months later than when we should have tried to get him.They showed no interest in him last Summer that we know of. My point is there are strikers about and we should have gone for goal scorers rater than have a collection of around 8 wide players and 6 centre halves if you include Charlie Taylor who played there last season and Egan Riley who was still with us.As I have said before you can play bad and still win with goal scorers. To start with Foster and Rodriguez only is criminal, and Obefomi was injured and ended up getting about 30 minutes game time all season

[NewClaret]

NO and you know that. Chelsea showed interest in him, but only 6 months later than when we should have tried to get him.They showed no interest in him last Summer that we know of. My point is there are strikers about and we should have gone for goal scorers rater than have a collection of around 8 wide players and 6 centre halves if you include Charlie Taylor who played there last season and Egan Riley who was still with us.As I have said before you can play bad and still win with goal scorers. To start with Foster and Rodriguez only is criminal, and Obefomi was injured and ended up getting about 30 minutes game time all season

So you’re saying we should’ve tried to sign Cole Palmer 6 months earlier than the summer, so last January? To play in the championship?

[warksclaret]

So you’re saying we should’ve tried to sign Cole Palmer 6 months earlier than the summer, so last January? To play in the championship?

No not at all-not sure why you said that. I am saying last Summer, following our promotion, we should have tried to strengthen our strikers, rather than being obsessed with recruiting wide payers, and centre halves.Chelsea only went for Palmer 6 months later. Palmer is simply a striker we could have looked at, and I gave earlier, several other options which we may or may not have looked at . Surely you cannot have been happy coming into the PL relying on Foster (who has only come good this season, with no guarrantee that he would), and the ageing Rodriguez,who hardly played in the second half of our Championship season.

[Casper2]

Benson had some great moments playing against weak teams in the Championship, to imagine he’s going to rip it up against Liverpool is just childish fantasy

Our best player in the cup at Old Trafford last season plus was decent at Bournemouth

[DingleDangle]

**** off VK

This season, and this ******* team selection is a joke and I'm sick of it.

This team simply CANNOT HAVE BEEN selected for footballing reasons.

This from the match thread yesterday. Whether you want him gone or not, you're quite clearly not a fan of his this season (fickle?). I know things aren't going great this season, but you're definitely putting the boot in and being very critical of certain young players (Trafford, Amdouni for example), rather than thinking about giving the manager and some players time to adapt to the Premier League and supporting them instead.

However, you never answered my last question on my post?