Is Relegation such a bad thing really?

[mickleoverclaret]

I think they just genuinely think he's a brilliant manager who'll get us straight back up and keep us up, to be honest. Whether you or I agree is a different matter!

[ClaretPete001]

So that’s our squad list courtesy of CT

(2023/24)
FIRST TEAM SQUAD

1 James Trafford Goalkeeper 10/10/2002 25 0 2027
2 Dara O’Shea Defender 04/03/1999 24+1 2 2027
3 Charlie Taylor Defender 18/09/1993 18+1 1 2024
4 Jack Cork Midfielder 25/06/1989 1+3 0 2024
5 Jordan Beyer Defender 19/05/2000 15 0 2027
6 CJ Egan-Riley – on loan at PSV Eindhoven Defender 02/01/2003 0 0 2025
7 Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson Midfielder 27/10/1990 12+6 0 2024+
8 Josh Brownhill Midfielder 19/12/1995 22+4 3 2024+
9 Jay Rodriguez Forward 29/07/1989 10+7 2 2024
10 Manuel Benson Midfielder 28/03/1997 2+3 0 2027
14 Connor Roberts – on loan at Leeds Defender 23/09/1995 8+8 0 2025
15 Nathan Redmond Midfielder 06/03/1994 2+13 0 2025+
16 Sander Berge Midfielder 14/02/1998 23+4 2 2027
17 Lyle Foster Forward 03/09/2000 14+2 4 2028
18 Hjalmar Ekdal Defender 21/10/1998 5+2 0 2027
19 Anass Zaroury – on loan at Hull Forward 07/11/2000 3+6 0 2028
20 Lorenz Assignon – on loan from Rennes Defender 22/06/2000 3 0 2024
21 Aaron Ramsey Midfielder 21/01/2003 7+10 0 2028
22 Vitinho Defender 23/07/1999 20+3 0 2027
23 David Datro Fofana – on loan from Chelsea Forward 22/12/2002 2+2 2 2024
24 Josh Cullen Midfielder 07/04/1996 13+2 0 2026
25 Zeki Amdouni Forward 04/12/2000 25+2 5 2028
27 Darko Churlinov – on loan at Schalke 04 Midfielder 11/07/2000 0 0 2026
28 Ameen Al-Dakhil Defender 06/03/2002 13+4 1 2026
29 Lawrence Vigouroux Goalkeeper 19/11/1993 0 0 2026
30 Luca Koleosho Midfielder 15/09/2004 13+2 1 2027
31 Mike Trésor – on loan from Genk Midfielder 28/05/1999 4+13 0 2024
33 Maxime Estève – on loan from Montpellier Defender 26/05/2002 2+1 0 2024
34 Jacob Bruun Larsen – on loan from Hoffenheim Midfielder 19/09/1998 7+17 3 2024
42 Han-Noah Massengo Midfielder 07/07/2001 0+4 0 2027
44 Hannes Delcroix Defender 28/02/1999 8+6 0 2026
45 Michael Obafemi – on loan at Millwall Forward 06/07/2000 0+2 0 u/k23
47 Wilson Odobert Midfielder 28/11/2004 14+6 4 2028
49 Arijanet Muric Goalkeeper 07/11/1998 4 0 2026
Samuel Bastien – on loan at Kasımpaşa S.K. Midfielder 26/09/1996 2025
Dara Costelloe – on loan at Dundee Midfielder 11/12/2002 2024
Owen Dodgson – on loan at Dundee Defender 19/03/2003 2025
Bailey Peacock-Farrell – on loan at Aarhus Goalkeeper 29/10/1996 2024+
Luke McNally – on loan at Stoke Defender 20/09/1999 2026
Scott Twine – on loan at Bristol City Midfielder 14/07/1999 2026
Wout Weghorst – on loan at Hoffenheim Forward 07/08/1992 2025


So take out Cork, Rodriguez, Taylor, Costelloe who will be out of contract.
Take out the loans with no option to buy Assignon, Fofana - can’t remember who else is in that category

Sort out the definite “gones” - I would put Weghorst and Churlinov in that bracket.

Would imagine a few of Brownhill, Trafford/Muric Foster, Benson, Zaroury Twine etc etc will move on for fees. Still leaves a biggish and decent Championship squad with the likes of Koleeosho, Redmond, and Ramsey returning from injury.

I’m sure there others that will go and come but I think we are ina better shape squad wise than the last relegation.

In reality we don't know who has relegation clauses and what the current financial situation is....! All the better players: Berge, Kolosheo and Odebert will likely have relegation clauses.

You'd only have to lose Brownhill, Berge and Foster from that squad and you have a severely depleted team.

But the point is a decent Championship squad is not enough it has to be good enough to win week in and week out..

Otherwise, by Year 2 you will have lost £30-£40 million of parachute money and more players will have to be sold.

It's a very slippery slope once you are on it.

[Jakubclaret]

it would cost a few million to get rid, drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things. clubs dont keep managers because they cannot afford to sack them. certainly one as fortunate as ours.

& the backroom staff & what are we going to pay the next manager & his backroom staff with? Brass tacks. He's on a 4 year contract & not all clubs have the level of debt we have on a scale to size ratio.

[GetIntoEm]

& the backroom staff & what are we going to pay the next manager & his backroom staff with? Brass tacks. He's on a 4 year contract & not all clubs have the level of debt we have on a scale to size ratio.

so youre saying if we sacked him we would have no money left, no operating income, no nothing?

dont be daft

[forzagranata]

At a guess, you would be looking at committing around 20 million to pay off four years of his salary. Then all his staff.

[Westleigh]

At a guess, you would be looking at committing around 20 million to pay off four years of his salary. Then all his staff.

If Pace has signed a contract to pay VK £100,000 / week he really needs a financial advisor.

[Chester Perry]

some numbers given this is what people have been talking about over today

Estimated Operating Revenues (player trading not included) before considering the factoring deal with Macquarie from last summer.

Championship year 1: £60m - £70m
Championship year 2: £50m - £60m
Championship year 3: £15m - £25m

That Macquarie factoring of TV money included some of the Parachute Payments for Championship years 1 and 2 so those revenues are going to drop accordingly - we just don't know by how much, but £5m-£10m each year does not feel an unreasonable estimate in these circumstances.

The above assumes the club is consistently generating £15m - £25m of revenues from its activities and EFL TV distributions each season - relegation this season will mean only 2 years of parachute payments.

If the 'New Deal for football' is agreed the monies from the EFL will change and include merit payments, and so will the PSR rules, they will likely become squad cost rules where the cost (roughly wages + amortisation) are required to be a percentage of revenue. this is where it can get nasty.

The Premier League are pushing for Championship clubs to run a 70% - 75% ratio in the Championship, while clubs in receipt of Parachutes would be on 85% (as they would be in the Premier League is not competing in Europe (UEFA will demand 80% next season and 70% thereafter for clubs competing in its competitions)

So not only does revenue drop off a cliff in year three the squad cost ratio is hugely tightened as well.

We do not know the debt level to MGG, the interest that is being paid on it or the terms of the loan agreement - it may (or may not) include a forced repayment on relegation. One way or another money will be going out of the club to them.

We do know that we will have outstanding transfer debt (plus outstanding c0onditional transfer debt, which we will ignore for now). This was essentially down to the Weghorst, Cornet and Collins payments when Kompany arrived. Cornet and Collins were sold, meaning under FA rules the Collins debt had to be paid off immediately, Cornet's remaining debt was subject to UEFA rules meaning it could be paid off in accordance to the original deal - we could still be paying for him as well as Weghorst, though I suspect in both cases the final payment is due this summer. Kompany has probably committed around £100m - £130m in non-conditional fees since he arrived (if we include Tresor and Esteve) and we have probably paid out £30m - £50m to date, and without any further trading. leaving us with an estimated £70m - £100m of real transfer debt and annual payments of £30m - £40m over the next two seasons. In the mean time monies owed to us amount to Dwight McNeil and a few Academy players - which does little to balance off the debt.

All this looks a little daunting, as we have seen throughout the ALK/VSL tenure cash flows/holdings are much tighter (though it can be argued that is a more efficient way to run a business). Player trading feels inevitable as a means of balancing the books, accounting profits will be enhanced as amortisation eats away at intangible asset (player) values in the financial report.

There is a way to ease the cash flow worries, at the last accounts the owners owed the club a net £113.8m (apparently the club owed them £1m which I presume to be outstanding management fees). In October the entity that now holds the owners shareholding/control in the club had a cash holding of just under £80m, a repayment would certainly appear to be helpful in these circumstances, whether it happens is another matter.

[Jakubclaret]

so youre saying if we sacked him we would have no money left, no operating income, no nothing?

dont be daft

Of course not. What I'm actually saying is sacking him would be a very very last resort & only when all other options had been exhausted. The club just don't have the money to sack him on a whim if the club had money they wouldn't be taking loans out borrowing money & seeking outside investment. The main reason he's still in employment in my view is the financial burden.

[jlup1980]

I take it you don’t buy into the project then?

We're signing waves of young players based on stats, on the off-chance that one or two develop sufficiently to raise significant profit. That's where the project starts and ends.

Ultimately it doesn't help us on the pitch now as all we're doing is blooding young players who aren't ready for the Premier League. Their values are decreasing with every passing week and that, in the main, is due to the fact that VK has decided he's not playing anyone over the age of about 25!

I genuinely don't think ALK and VK have thought about what happens if these youngsters all turn out to be run of the mill players, which looks likely.

[GetIntoEm]

We're signing waves of young players based on stats, on the off-chance that one or two develop sufficiently to raise significant profit. That's where the project starts and ends.

Ultimately it doesn't help us on the pitch now as all we're doing is blooding young players who aren't ready for the Premier League. Their values are decreasing with every passing week and that, in the main, is due to the fact that VK has decided he's not playing anyone over the age of about 25!

I genuinely don't think ALK and VK have thought about what happens if these youngsters all turn out to be run of the mill players, which looks likely.

why do you think that their value is decreasing?

[jlup1980]

why do you think that their value is decreasing?

Because they're not showing any qualities needed in the modern game.

Who in their right mind would pay £15m plus for Amdouni? The best disappearing act since Houdini.
I hope Ramsey isn't injured too seriously but it's the same question for him.
Trafford is a good shot stopper but is frankly embarrassing on crosses.
Even Beyer, who looked a good price at the time, hasn't played enough to increase his value.

Given the fees we paid, the only ones who might turn a profit in the summer are Odobert, Koleosho and maybe O'Shea. We might get our money back for Berge.

The rest aren't worth a jot in the current market.

[kentonclaret]

Well, let me put it this way, Alan Pace and the rest of the Burnley board won’t be organising an Open Top Bus Parade to celebrate it.

[Jamesy]

Because they're not showing any qualities needed in the modern game.

Who in their right mind would pay £15m plus for Amdouni? The best disappearing act since Houdini.
I hope Ramsey isn't injured too seriously but it's the same question for him.
Trafford is a good shot stopper but is frankly embarrassing on crosses.
Even Beyer, who looked a good price at the time, hasn't played enough to increase his value.

Given the fees we paid, the only ones who might turn a profit in the summer are Odobert, Koleosho and maybe O'Shea. We might get our money back for Berge.

The rest aren't worth a jot in the current market.

Difficult to argue against most of what you have said here. We, or should I say Pace and co have truly had their pants pulled down.

[blatherwickstattoos]

This group of cowards won’t get us back up but I’m hoping I’m wrong

[forzagranata]

If Pace has signed a contract to pay VK £100,000 / week he really needs a financial advisor.

Dyche was widely reported to be on 100k a week in his final contract with Burnley - I find it hard to believe that after winning the Championship last season, Kompany signed a deal for less than what his predecessor was paid.

So yes, I would expect VK to be earning something north of 100k per week. Which is why the figure for paying off his contract would be close to 20 million.

[kentonclaret]

This group of cowards won’t get us back up but I’m hoping I’m wrong

I agree. I just have this nagging feeling that VK may have been a “one season wonder” and what we saw last season will be as good as it is going to get. I cannot see us running away with the league with a team of 18-24 year olds, some experienced heads will be needed and most of those that we had will probably be moving on. We will need some age and experience and leaders on the pitch to complement the youth, but am yet to see any sign that VK is willing to alter or adapt the stated transfer policy of buying youngsters to sell on for profit.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Ashley Barnes coming into the side made us a better team from the Blackburn home game. The leadership and strength he had made us better. We don’t have anybody close to that character to do it again.

[IanMcL]

The club committed to relegation from the very start.

All new players who needed 19 games to bed down as a team. It is already too late. Then with so many changes, the 10 games has more than doubled. Currently, we appear clueless.

Not sure if the capability if these players, in the Championship. Still not a team. No string leaders. Just boys.

[ClaretPete001]

some numbers given this is what people have been talking about over today

Estimated Operating Revenues (player trading not included) before considering the factoring deal with Macquarie from last summer.

Championship year 1: £60m - £70m
Championship year 2: £50m - £60m
Championship year 3: £15m - £25m

That Macquarie factoring of TV money included some of the Parachute Payments for Championship years 1 and 2 so those revenues are going to drop accordingly - we just don't know by how much, but £5m-£10m each year does not feel an unreasonable estimate in these circumstances.

The above assumes the club is consistently generating £15m - £25m of revenues from its activities and EFL TV distributions each season - relegation this season will mean only 2 years of parachute payments.

If the 'New Deal for football' is agreed the monies from the EFL will change and include merit payments, and so will the PSR rules, they will likely become squad cost rules where the cost (roughly wages + amortisation) are required to be a percentage of revenue. this is where it can get nasty.

The Premier League are pushing for Championship clubs to run a 70% - 75% ratio in the Championship, while clubs in receipt of Parachutes would be on 85% (as they would be in the Premier League is not competing in Europe (UEFA will demand 80% next season and 70% thereafter for clubs competing in its competitions)

So not only does revenue drop off a cliff in year three the squad cost ratio is hugely tightened as well.

We do not know the debt level to MGG, the interest that is being paid on it or the terms of the loan agreement - it may (or may not) include a forced repayment on relegation. One way or another money will be going out of the club to them.

We do know that we will have outstanding transfer debt (plus outstanding c0onditional transfer debt, which we will ignore for now). This was essentially down to the Weghorst, Cornet and Collins payments when Kompany arrived. Cornet and Collins were sold, meaning under FA rules the Collins debt had to be paid off immediately, Cornet's remaining debt was subject to UEFA rules meaning it could be paid off in accordance to the original deal - we could still be paying for him as well as Weghorst, though I suspect in both cases the final payment is due this summer. Kompany has probably committed around £100m - £130m in non-conditional fees since he arrived (if we include Tresor and Esteve) and we have probably paid out £30m - £50m to date, and without any further trading. leaving us with an estimated £70m - £100m of real transfer debt and annual payments of £30m - £40m over the next two seasons. In the mean time monies owed to us amount to Dwight McNeil and a few Academy players - which does little to balance off the debt.

All this looks a little daunting, as we have seen throughout the ALK/VSL tenure cash flows/holdings are much tighter (though it can be argued that is a more efficient way to run a business). Player trading feels inevitable as a means of balancing the books, accounting profits will be enhanced as amortisation eats away at intangible asset (player) values in the financial report.

There is a way to ease the cash flow worries, at the last accounts the owners owed the club a net £113.8m (apparently the club owed them £1m which I presume to be outstanding management fees). In October the entity that now holds the owners shareholding/control in the club had a cash holding of just under £80m, a repayment would certainly appear to be helpful in these circumstances, whether it happens is another matter.

A couple of caveats has to be added to this .....

In the last year of trading prior to Covid in the PL the revenue was around £135 million. And there is no reason to assume it won't be that this season.

So, the fall over begins immediately. In year 2 it is less dramatic but by Year 3, as Chester says, it has fallen off a cliff.

I'm not sure we fully know what that £80 million pertains to...!

The sums involved are huge. To put it into context the ITV Digital saga when the club last had serious financial trouble was about a sum of £3 million not over £100 million, which we will lose in 3 years if we get relegated.

A second point to note is that Alan Pace was an employee only 5 years ago albeit no doubt wealthier than you and I but he is a pauper in terms of PL ownership.

In other words, we are working on scraps to piece together a £10 Marks and Spencer's meal deal but any fool can see that relegation is a massive issue for the club and not something anyone would wish for....!

[ClaretPete001]

And to say more. The Financial landscape means that loans become important because the club's ability to offer 3 year contracts is impaired when there is such a fall off by year 3.

And that is likely why we used loans last time.

It means there likely will be a fire sale not to make money on players because most sensible people think we've not added much value to any of them but because they need to be shifted off the books.

And the players who have impressed have the best chance of leaving. So, you are stuck with the sh*te and lose the good ones who are on decent contracts

It also means another re-build.

Which means that even if we have a good season and go up we have to re-build again because we would have greatly increased the value of the loan players who have had such a great season. And then you can't afford them..

Which is why we have had such a problem this season because the likes of Tella et al are no longer perceived as good value.

So, we have to re-build again...

Any of this not make sense...? Relegation is not good!

[123EasyasBFC]

Dyche was widely reported to be on 100k a week in his final contract with Burnley - I find it hard to believe that after winning the Championship last season, Kompany signed a deal for less than what his predecessor was paid.

So yes, I would expect VK to be earning something north of 100k per week. Which is why the figure for paying off his contract would be close to 20 million.

Was it not reported that kompany was highest paid manager in championship last season at 50k so I think it’s fair to assume that when his new terms were agreed that his salary doubled

[Burnley1989]

Was it not reported that kompany was highest paid manager in championship last season at 50k so I think it’s fair to assume that when his new terms were agreed that his salary doubled

I very much doubt that

[Rileybobs]

Was it not reported that kompany was highest paid manager in championship last season at 50k so I think it’s fair to assume that when his new terms were agreed that his salary doubled

That’s one hell of an assumption.

[NewClaret]

That’s one hell of an assumption.

Nothing compared to something I read on here the other day that we had £200m debt

[jos]

Muric might make a comeback in the EFL

[Jakubclaret]

Dyche was widely reported to be on 100k a week in his final contract with Burnley - I find it hard to believe that after winning the Championship last season, Kompany signed a deal for less than what his predecessor was paid.

So yes, I would expect VK to be earning something north of 100k per week. Which is why the figure for paying off his contract would be close to 20 million.

Without a shadow. It's absolutely hilarious that some people think we could bung him a few mill & say see ya. Kompanys stock was very high when negotiating that contract on the back of last season & pace was determined to nail him down, back then there was silly talk from people on here about him taking over from pep & his future trajectory managing a top 6 club such was the giddiness from the championship high.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Muric might make a comeback in the EFL

[123EasyasBFC]

I very much doubt that

It won’t be far from 100k a week if not 100k

[NewClaret]

Dyche was widely reported to be on 100k a week in his final contract with Burnley - I find it hard to believe that after winning the Championship last season, Kompany signed a deal for less than what his predecessor was paid.

So yes, I would expect VK to be earning something north of 100k per week. Which is why the figure for paying off his contract would be close to 20 million.

Couple of points on this:

1. I doubt Dyche was on £5m a year. It was also widely reported we were willing to pay €31m for Maatsen in summer which was recently dispelled by Williams.

2. If he were it would also equally have likely been performance incentivised, i.e. large amounts deferred as is normal with exec packages.

3. Dyche had kept us in the PL for 5 years to earn that kind of contract. VK had no such experience to support such a big contract.

4. Contracts are not necessarily paid out in full. Protections exist on either side and will likely be performance-related.

[lucs86]

Thinking about the squad, who could be off...

Off:
Muric - will want games, won't get them with Trafford here
Assignon - loan expires
Esteve - loan expires
Taylor - contact expires
Berge - sell, stays in PL, recoup what we spent hopefully
Cork - contact expires
Brownhill - contract expires
JBG - possible contact expiry
Odobert - won't fancy Championship, will push for a loan move to PL / Europe
Bruun Larsson - loan expires
Amdouni - won't fancy Championship, will push for a loan move to Europe to stay in Swiss national side
Jay - contract expiry
Fofana - loan expiry

This leaves us with:
Trafford
Vitinho
Roberts - unhappy
O'Shea
Ekdal
Al Dakhil - could push for a move to stay near Belgium squad
Beyer
Delcroix
Cullen - great in Championship
Massengo - time to step up
Ramsey
Benson - unhappy
Zaroury - unhappy
Koleosho - injury might stop him moving on
Redmond
Foster - got to hope he stays put for mental health recovery / stability

Hoping Benson, Zaroury, Koleosho, Foster can be convinced to stay for another season. I'd also try and keep Roberts and especially JBG for experience. Hold onto those and there's not that much we'll need to do.
Trafford will improve.
Defence is stacked and more than good enough for that level.
We'll be on our third window needing LB and CM (with power, aggression, leadership) so we should have some more ideas on that now.
We've got more than enough quality wingers (always did) and if Foster stays he'll score 30, just needs backup.
With loans and parachute payments we can still outspend most of the league for the players we'll need.
Top 2 next season. UTC (next season).

[spt_claret]

There is a way to ease the cash flow worries, at the last accounts the owners owed the club a net £113.8m (apparently the club owed them £1m which I presume to be outstanding management fees). In October the entity that now holds the owners shareholding/control in the club had a cash holding of just under £80m, a repayment would certainly appear to be helpful in these circumstances, whether it happens is another matter.

Call me cynical, a hater, etc. but not only do I doubt the club will ever see a penny of that back, I doubt that will be the final figure ALK owe the club before all is said and done. They're here to make themselves money, they're Wall Street financiers, historically Wall Street financiers don't make money by paying their debts.

Because they're not showing any qualities needed in the modern game.

Who in their right mind would pay £15m plus for Amdouni? The best disappearing act since Houdini.
I hope Ramsey isn't injured too seriously but it's the same question for him.
Trafford is a good shot stopper but is frankly embarrassing on crosses.
Even Beyer, who looked a good price at the time, hasn't played enough to increase his value.

Given the fees we paid, the only ones who might turn a profit in the summer are Odobert, Koleosho and maybe O'Shea. We might get our money back for Berge.

The rest aren't worth a jot in the current market.

Amdouni is still our joint top scorer, as bad as we are.

[Chester Perry]

Call me cynical, a hater, etc. but not only do I doubt the club will ever see a penny of that back, I doubt that will be the final figure ALK owe the club before all is said and done. They're here to make themselves money, they're Wall Street financiers, historically Wall Street financiers don't make money by paying their debts.



Amdouni is still our joint top scorer, as bad as we are.

there are a few of us that don't think the club will ever see that money back in real terms (and have always thought it) doesn't stop the hope though.

[Rileybobs]

It won’t be far from 100k a week if not 100k

Based on what?

[123EasyasBFC]

Based on what?

It was reported he was in 50k in the championship and then extended for another year during the back end of last season, there will have been an increase in wage.

I think it will be close to 100k if not actually 100k, you don’t have to agree with me it’s fine

[Rileybobs]

It was reported he was in 50k in the championship and then extended for another year during the back end of last season, there will have been an increase in wage.

I think it will be close to 100k if not actually 100k, you don’t have to agree with me it’s fine

I know it’s fine to disagree, I’m just asking what logic you’re basing this on. Firstly we don’t know if the £50k per week (if this is accurate) was performance related (ie including promotion bonus) or just his base salary, which seems quite unlikely. Secondly, assuming a 100% rise to his base salary when offered a new contract is a massive leap. And then to assume that would be paid regardless of performance (because I can’t see any performance related bonuses which are likely to be triggered) is even less believable.

I think Dyche was reported to be on £70k per week so this is a benchmark.

[Big Vinny K]

Dyche’s salary was widely reported as £3.5m a year.

I can’t recall any reports saying it was £5m.

Don’t know about VK. I thought he was on £2.5m when he joined us but not sure what his new contract was. I’d be amazed if we had doubled it. Extending a contract in length is a risk in itself - doubling it and extending it would be madness.

[Chester Perry]

the thing to remember is that Sean Dyche essentially had is final Burnley contract taken over by Everton - right down to the length of it

The reports on his Everton deal all suggest circa £5m a year plus a £3.5m staying up bonus - could be crap but it appears widely accepted across the media

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sean+ ... nt=gws-wiz

[forzagranata]

70k was his deal before last. The deal he then did with ALK was higher. When he left this was how it was reported:

"Sean Dyche is still in talks with Burnley over a pay-off on his £15million contract.

The figures have yet to be finalised with Dyche having agreed a new deal of around £100,000-a-week in September that was due to run until 2025. Though neither side anticipate a problem in the negotiations."

.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foot ... ment.html

[Westleigh]

The good news keeps on coming.

[Boss Hogg]

Dyche was widely reported to be on 100k a week in his final contract with Burnley - I find it hard to believe that after winning the Championship last season, Kompany signed a deal for less than what his predecessor was paid.

So yes, I would expect VK to be earning something north of 100k per week. Which is why the figure for paying off his contract would be close to 20 million.

You’d think he’d have learnt not to hand out a long contract too quickly after what he did with Dyche. From the outside looking in some of the decision making from the top looks extremely naive. Football manager contracts are too long generally as they barely ever last the distance. Things in football change quickly.

[burnleymik]

Muric might make a comeback in the EFL

Would you want to play for the manager that dropped you in a heartbeat once we made it to the Prem? Even when you improved throughout the season and got Championship Keeper of the Season! What more can you do?
I doubt I would give my all in that situation. I would want to be off ASAP.

[Jakubclaret]

Would you want to play for the manager that dropped you in a heartbeat once we made it to the Prem? Even when you improved throughout the season and got Championship Keeper of the Season! What more can you do?
I doubt I would give my all in that situation. I would want to be off ASAP.

While he keeps getting money paid into his bank account maybe he's not that bothered. It'll be interesting to see what develops on the goalkeeping front in the future for sure.

[jlup1980]

Amdouni is still our joint top scorer, as bad as we are.

Doesn't hide the fact he's been a poor signing. £15m for a return of 4 goals in 24 league appearances so far isn't good enough.

[jrgbfc]

I actually think staying up with this mess of a squad that look completely shellshocked might be worse. Might be better to take the hit of relegation now and trust lessons have been learnt by everyone involved.

[SouthLondonexile]

While I’ve been pondering whether to use Watercress a couple of days after it’s sell by date, I consider this metaphor on the current state of BFC.
While I might just have to buy another packet of Watercress, the thought of replacing the team and it’s management team will be overwhelming. Thank goodness I’m not in charge now, but I do feel confident the mistakes leading to our demise were made in the joyous spring of 2023.
I think we all would say. Why didn’t we buy Tella, Harwood Bellis , keep Muric in goal, get a robust midfielder, oh and maybe keep Barnes for another season to set an example of how to fight for the ball.
I can only reflect on CTs match report on our last game against Arsenal , where after 63 years of attending games he has never felt so empty.

[getbennyon]

We're signing waves of young players based on stats, on the off-chance that one or two develop sufficiently to raise significant profit. That's where the project starts and ends.

Ultimately it doesn't help us on the pitch now as all we're doing is blooding young players who aren't ready for the Premier League. Their values are decreasing with every passing week and that, in the main, is due to the fact that VK has decided he's not playing anyone over the age of about 25!

I genuinely don't think ALK and VK have thought about what happens if these youngsters all turn out to be run of the mill players, which looks likely.

They really thought they'd solved the puzzle that no other club had ever considered...buying young players for cheap and always making a profit when they are sold at an older age.

It's such a simple idea

[spt_claret]

Doesn't hide the fact he's been a poor signing. £15m for a return of 4 goals in 24 league appearances so far isn't good enough.

My point is more- he's young, he's the top scorer in a terrible team, it's not impossible we'd get our money back or a very marginal profit.