Everton v Palace

[kentonclaret]

Equaliser comes in the most likely way

The template for Saturday CT.

I’m sure VK is watching and taking notes.

[PremierLeagueClass]

What were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.

[agreenwood]

What were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.

I don’t think we did either. Certainly not in the early days anyway. Vaguely remember him being asked about our lack of goals a from corners few times and him replying about how statistically rare goals from corners were.

[Rileybobs]

What were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.

Completely different than my memory. I think we scored a significant proportion of our goals from set pieces.

[dougcollins]

I seem to recall the average is a goal every 22 corners.

[CrosspoolClarets]

This game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.

Add the VAR / ref robberies and our points are similar to Forest and Palace (Dyche of course would have Everton a bit higher but for the points deduction, because of a rock solid defence, but the rest of their game is turgid).

We’ve just had bad luck with injuries and illness, bad luck with officials, then have shot ourselves in one foot with team selections omitting experience and then shot ourselves in the other with occasional errors.

We’re going down, but I do see us bouncing back up. We’re too good not to.

[Murger]

This game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.

Add the VAR / ref robberies and our points are similar to Forest and Palace (Dyche of course would have Everton a bit higher but for the points deduction, because of a rock solid defence, but the rest of their game is turgid).

We’ve just had bad luck with injuries and illness, bad luck with officials, then have shot ourselves in one foot with team selections omitting experience and then shot ourselves in the other with occasional errors.

We’re going down, but I do see us bouncing back up. We’re too good not to.

Massive difference. Everton are so much better than we are in literally every department.

[NewClaret]

Boos at the end.

Brighton, West Ham, United and Liverpool for them next. Big period.

[Sgt. Pepper]

Quality wise that game wasn't exactly a great advert for the self professed "greatest league in the world".

Despite that, Palace have nearly double the amount of points we have, and if it wasn't for the points deduction Everton would be in twelfth with thirty points.

Just look at the goal difference, us and Sheffield United are comfortably the two worst teams in the division.
Not being able to defend, and not scoring is obviously not a route to success.
Probably stating the obvious, but at the minute we can only dream of seeing anyone in a Claret and Blue shirt showing the level of commitment and endeavour (let alone quality) shown by Tarkowski and McNeil.

Dyche and (the departed) Hodgson's brands of pragmatic football may be dull to watch at times, but they stand more chance of success than the approach (whatever that may be) we seem to have adopted. Unfortunately that's one of the reasons why the the scrap for survival at the lower end of the Premier League loses its appeal after a while for many.suppoters.

[Westleigh]

This game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.

Add the VAR / ref robberies and our points are similar to Forest and Palace (Dyche of course would have Everton a bit higher but for the points deduction, because of a rock solid defence, but the rest of their game is turgid).

We’ve just had bad luck with injuries and illness, bad luck with officials, then have shot ourselves in one foot with team selections omitting experience and then shot ourselves in the other with occasional errors.

We’re going down, but I do see us bouncing back up. We’re too good not to.

I’ll think you’ll find that Forest have had a lot more bad decisions than us regarding VAR,the bottom line is we’re where we are because we are shockingly inept, and deserve everything we get.

[ClaretLoup]

This game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.

Yet they both beat us 2 - 0 at home without getting out of second gear, that’s why we are going down

[kentonclaret]

This game is the reason I have long said there is little difference between us and these teams.

Add the VAR / ref robberies and our points are similar to Forest and Palace (Dyche of course would have Everton a bit higher but for the points deduction, because of a rock solid defence, but the rest of their game is turgid).

We’ve just had bad luck with injuries and illness, bad luck with officials, then have shot ourselves in one foot with team selections omitting experience and then shot ourselves in the other with occasional errors.

We’re going down, but I do see us bouncing back up. We’re too good not to.

Many clubs have suffered with injuries and some far more than us. Newcastle, for example. Crystal Palace were missing their 3 best young players tonight in Guehi, Eze and Olise.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Mcneil just ran his a** off in full sprint trying to press. Have you seen Tresor or Ramsey do that all year?

I remember Tresor racing back at full sprint against both Chelsea and Liverpool to help his defence. I don’t think he has adapted yet to the tempo, but the ridicule is, well, ridiculous.

[jrgbfc]

What were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.

We scored plenty from set pieces.

[Stayingup]

Completely different than my memory. I think we scored a significant proportion of our goals from set pieces.

Yes like the Chris Wood header from a corner against..... Everton.

[boatshed bill]

What were our stats like from set pieces under Dyche? I’m sure someone will know the answer. Whilst we seemed to have a reputation as a long ball set piece team, I don’t actually feel like we scored from that many. Everton seem far more dangerous from them under Dyche than we did.

We scored from corners sometimes, Westwood could certainly place set piece with accuracy.

[distortiondave]

It's hard to remember goals from corners (or similar free kicks) because they are boring goals.

[Westleigh]

We scored from corners sometimes, Westwood could certainly place set piece with accuracy.

Seem to remember Westwood off a corner ,Ings missing a cross and us scoring against Southampton or whoever he was playing for .

[CrosspoolClarets]

Yet they both beat us 2 - 0 at home without getting out of second gear, that’s why we are going down

Would that be the Palace game where we had 68% possession, had 17 shots to 4, 12 corners to 1?

They were lucky that Beyer made an error and that we had J Rod in for Foster. I’m not convinced had we scored that they would have come again.

I don’t mind the genuine criticism of us, I make it too including on that post you quoted, but fans are starting to rewrite history which is what I don’t think is fair.

[PremierLeagueClass]

We scored plenty from set pieces.

I’m just not sure we did. Would be interested to see the stats but not sure how to go about finding them. I do think we became more effective towards the end of the Dyche era but overall we weren’t great. As someone else mentioned above, I think it was commented on a few times how strange it was we didn’t score more from set pieces (given our reputation).

[IanMcL]

All the other teams seem more able than us!

[ClaretLoup]

Would that be the Palace game where we had 68% possession, had 17 shots to 4, 12 corners to 1?

And lost 2 - 0 so what does that tell you?

[Casper2]

I remember Tresor racing back at full sprint against both Chelsea and Liverpool to help his defence. I don’t think he has adapted yet to the tempo, but the ridicule is, well, ridiculous.

That’ll be why he’s first name on the team sheet

[Woodleyclaret]

Our problem comes from lack of steel in midfield and our dismal failure by VK to recognise and respond in January
Tressor and Ramsey cost millions and offer the square root of sod all to our team why we pursued both is mystery

[NewClaret]

Our problem comes from lack of steel in midfield and our dismal failure by VK to recognise and respond in January
Tressor and Ramsey cost millions and offer the square root of sod all to our team why we pursued both is mystery

I think both are and will be good players, for us or elsewhere.

As you say though, not what we need.

For all the talk of full backs and strikers, I agree that the biggest issue we’ve faced all season has been not having enough steel in central midfield. Need a big, strong, enforcer type with a good passing range.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Our problem comes from lack of steel in midfield and our dismal failure by VK to recognise and respond in January
Tressor and Ramsey cost millions and offer the square root of sod all to our team why we pursued both is mystery

I get mocked for supporting Tresor like in the above thread, I’ve never claimed he has adapted yet but he does try. Personally though I would now be playing Tresor on the right where he played against Chelsea, not ideal when a player needs to adapt to play him out of position but we need wins and we know he is creative and also has a great dead ball, that with Odobert on the left and Fofana / Amdouni in the middle could be too hot to handle. Obviously that was a naive formation for the top three in recent weeks but VK would argue we could have grabbed a shock win at Anfield doing it, and the games to come are easier so warrant “going for it” and hoping for a miracle.

Trouble is, is Tresor dropped or injured, we don’t know because they don’t tell us anything, which is incompetence really because it fuels all kinds of unhelpful speculation.

On the point about steel in midfield, I’m not disagreeing, but I noticed last weekend both Berge and Brownhill were in the top dozen or so for tackles and interceptions, which flies in the face of the accusations of the team not trying (heads dropping after the 3rd goal is another matter).

[CrosspoolClarets]

And lost 2 - 0 so what does that tell you?

That we deserved to win of course, as Roy said at the time.

[Goliath]

I get mocked for supporting Tresor like in the above thread, I’ve never claimed he has adapted yet but he does try. Personally though I would now be playing Tresor on the right where he played against Chelsea, not ideal when a player needs to adapt to play him out of position but we need wins and we know he is creative and also has a great dead ball, that with Odobert on the left and Fofana / Amdouni in the middle could be too hot to handle. Obviously that was a naive formation for the top three in recent weeks but VK would argue we could have grabbed a shock win at Anfield doing it, and the games to come are easier so warrant “going for it” and hoping for a miracle.

Trouble is, is Tresor dropped or injured, we don’t know because they don’t tell us anything, which is incompetence really because it fuels all kinds of unhelpful speculation.

On the point about steel in midfield, I’m not disagreeing, but I noticed last weekend both Berge and Brownhill were in the top dozen or so for tackles and interceptions, which flies in the face of the accusations of the team not trying (heads dropping after the 3rd goal is another matter).

He doesn't try enough off the ball, in fact of all the players we've had in the last 10 to 15 years, I can't remember a single one that has offered so little in that sense along with having such dreadful body language. It seems pretty clear that hes been brought up being known as an exceptionally talented player and treated as such, thats not to say he doesnt want to win but gives off an impression that the dirty work should be done by the rest of the team to allow him the freedom to go and create.

However in this league that doesnt work, even the City and Arsenal players all work their balls off. Its why the Ozil's of this world have died off a bit at present. If he isn't willing to adapt then he will never be a PL player.

[kentonclaret]

That we deserved to win of course, as Roy said at the time.

Oh dear, rewriting history again.

Roy never stated in his post match interview that “Burnley deserved to win”. What he did say was that a truer reflection of the game would have been a 0-1 victory gained by hard work and diligence but that a 0-2 victory flattered Palace somewhat.

You can still hear his post match interview on the BBC results page should you require clarification.