Mission To Burnley Series 2

[ClaretsPadiham]

Be interesting if they release a series for this joke of a season.

Heard they are still filming and it’s up to Sky if they want to produce it …

Last seasons was easy to release when everything went well.

How many times this season do you think Kompany has gone in on them ‘like the Anderlecht video’ where he goes beserk at his players ?

Should be nearly every game at half time this season he’s bollocked them.

[Westleigh]

Be interesting if they release a series for this joke of a season.

Heard they are still filming and it’s up to Sky if they want to produce it …

Last seasons was easy to release when everything went well.

How many times this season do you think Kompany has gone in on them ‘like the Anderlecht video’ where he goes beserk at his players ?

Should be nearly every game at half time this season he’s bollocked them.

When I saw this before he became manager I suggested he shouldn’t be anywhere near our club as I thought he was a bully but he proved me wrong ,however if he’s reverted to that sort of half time team talk I can imagine that a lot of the squad may have lost respect for him,and what’s going on the pitch at the moment seems to mirror that ,

[Nori1958]

When I saw this before he became manager I suggested he shouldn’t be anywhere near our club as I thought he was a bully but he proved me wrong ,however if he’s reverted to that sort of half time team talk I can imagine that a lot of the squad may have lost respect for him,and what’s going on the pitch at the moment seems to mirror that ,

I take it you didn't like Stan when he was our manager?

[wilks_bfc]

There was a guy wandering around the Fanzone on Saturday with a camera.

Sure it was the same fella (producer) that was doing the promo interviews for the first one

[Westleigh]

I take it you didn't like Stan when he was our manager?

The thing is with Stan being an old school type manager the players he ranted and raved at tended to be more journeymen lower league players who were making a reasonable amount of money ,today’s players are earning that much that they can afford to tell the coach to get stuffed,the Kompany video suggested that some of the squad were questioning his decisions,and only he was allowed an opinion,and even Sean Dyche who was obviously a strict disciplinarian had clear the air meetings with his players , so obviously listened to what other players thought ,I don’t think that’s the case with VK,and VK will never hold a candle to Stan the Man as a manager.

[Quickenthetempo]

I take it you didn't like Stan when he was our manager?

I don't think anyone knew any different back then and you never seen any dressing room footage. Only heard rumours.

Thankfully people like Wenger came into the game and people realised shouting at people doesn't get the best out of them.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Will we be spared ten pages of people judging it before it’s even been released this time?

[Pickles]

The amount of times we've capitulated immediately after half time, I'd love to see what happens in the changing room. Half expecting to see shots and strippers.

[BurnleyFC]

There’s plenty to criticise VK for this season, but an old video of him raising his voice during a team talk at his previous club isn’t one of them.

They’re professional footballers, not children.

[spt_claret]

I take it you didn't like Stan when he was our manager?

Different era, different player cultures and mentalities, different expectations from players as to their own treatment or career paths/contract terms etc.. Not saying right or wrong just different. Stan would be lucky to not be in court if he came along managing today like he did then and would struggle massively with the modern game because of those vast cultural changes.

[Westleigh]

There’s plenty to criticise VK for this season, but an old video of him raising his voice during a team talk at his previous club isn’t one of them.

They’re professional footballers, not children.

Would you try harder if he ranted like that at you? you hear loads of quotes about some players need a rocket ,but some you have to put an arm round,imagine Patrick Bamford being shouted at like that ? the dressing room would be flooded with tears.

[BurnleyFC]

Would you try harder if he ranted like that at you?

I’m not a professional footballer but I’d hazard a guess that it doesn’t bother them too much. Win as a team and lose as a team.

They get far more vitriol from their own fans for starters.

[Nori1958]

The thing is with Stan being an old school type manager the players he ranted and raved at tended to be more journeymen lower league players who were making a reasonable amount of money ,today’s players are earning that much that they can afford to tell the coach to get stuffed,the Kompany video suggested that some of the squad were questioning his decisions,and only he was allowed an opinion,and even Sean Dyche who was obviously a strict disciplinarian had clear the air meetings with his players , so obviously listened to what other players thought ,I don’t think that’s the case with VK,and VK will never hold a candle to Stan the Man as a manager.

Don't remember Stan winning the championship

[mikeS]

Not seen the first one.
Is it any good?
Not seen Game Of Thrones either.
Is that any good?

[Westleigh]

Don't remember Stan winning the championship

I should imagine they’res a lot more respect for him as a manager than VK.I see you have your argumentative head so not biting

[CFS]

Not seen the first one.
Is it any good?
Not seen Game Of Thrones either.
Is that any good?

No and no

[Westleigh]

Not seen the first one.
Is it any good?
Not seen Game Of Thrones either.
Is that any good?

Yes to the first question
Neither have to the second.

[aggi]

Will we be spared ten pages of people judging it before it’s even been released this time?

I hear there's going to be a back alley and some cobbled streets on it so I would like to register my early disgust at that.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Will we be spared ten pages of people judging it before it’s even been released this time?

Most will be hoping for more religion in this one

[Stalbansclaret]

I'd think the fact that this season has been such a car crash makes it more likely that Sky will go ahead with a second series. Other than we Burnley fans there will surely be more interest amongst supporters of other clubs than there would be in watching another happy procession. I watched the Sunderland documentary precisely because I thought it would be interesting , and fun, to see behind the scenes in their misery . Schadenfreude is a very powerful force in football.

[spt_claret]

Don't remember Stan winning the championship

Don't remember Stan inheriting 7 Premier League veterans, another who'd played there for a season, and sufficient saleable assets to fund the top spend in the division either.
It's such a non-comparison to make either way, utterly pointless.
Some players will respond to the hairdryer treatment, from some managers. Not everyone can have it dished out, not everyone can dish it out, you can't dish it out all the time or it just becomes a guy yelling at you every match. I don't think Kompany's likely to be doing that, but I don't understand why you're defending the idea of him possibly doing it by comparing him to a guy who even 20 years ago was old-school.

[Silkyskills1]

Never understood the bawling, screaming and shouting at players. Assuming that they are not hard of hearing it serves no purpose at all.

[Falcon]

Watching Parkinson ranting and raving at his Wrexham players in the dressing room on their documentary certainly didn't seem to do them any harm...

[Chester Perry]

Most will be hoping for more religion in this one

Indeed, those scenes of our great messiah going off into the wilds alone to to prepare himself for what was to come were truly inspiring - not quite the desert or hardship of traditional Biblical Scripture but for those now observing Lent the underlying evocative message of the imagery was easy to recognise.

[Clovius Boofus]

When I saw this before he became manager I suggested he shouldn’t be anywhere near our club as I thought he was a bully

Bully? Did he flush their heads down the bogs at HT? Stick pins in their arms? Maybe got a load of his hanger-ons to kicks their heads in after training?

Or, do you mean he let rip into a bunch of millionaires who weren't pulling their weight?

You must be a right soft-arse, who has never played football at any level whatsoever, if you consider a shouty bollocking team-talk to be bullying.

[Devils_Advocate]

I've heard there's gonna be a summer spinoff show call 'The Kosovan Goodfellas' featuring Lowbankclaret and Arijanet Muric backpacking round South East Europe trying to avoid the mafia whilst surviving purely off their stocks and shares dividend payments.

[NewClaret]

I've heard there's gonna be a summer spinoff show call 'The Kosovan Goodfellas' featuring Lowbankclaret and Arijanet Muric backpacking round South East Europe trying to avoid the mafia whilst surviving purely off their stocks and shares dividend payments.

You’ve been off form recently but that’s a classic.

[Boss Hogg]

Can’t imagine there’s much shouting at all. There’s no pressure to deliver. We accepted relegation a few games Ito the season. We could lose every game 5-0 from now the end of the season and it makes no difference to VK or his job security. Some players will be picked anyway whatever their performance level.

[Sgt. Pepper]

I'm not really that interested. I found the first series fairly cringe worthy at times. I'm interested in the football at Burnley, not some weird semi-scripted fake reality TV show/soap opera.
It's part of trying to market football as a lifestyle product, develop a brand/media profile, and diversify revenue streams.
Football, and the experience of fans who actually attend games, seems to be dropping down the list of priorities.

[Vegas Claret]

When I saw this before he became manager I suggested he shouldn’t be anywhere near our club as I thought he was a bully but he proved me wrong ,however if he’s reverted to that sort of half time team talk I can imagine that a lot of the squad may have lost respect for him,and what’s going on the pitch at the moment seems to mirror that ,

That's hilarious.
I take it you are one that doesn't want the players to put more effort in, one that doesn't shout at them for not doing so, doesn't shout at Kompany to do something ?

[evensteadiereddie]

is it season 2 where they turn us all into mormons?

There's a hell of a lot on here already.
Oh, Mormons..
Sorry, my bad.

[Indecisive]

Nah this thread is exactly why this is such a negative place to spend time right now.

It's scary that people probably generally hold Stan in higher regard as a manager. Don't get me wrong, I started watching us in the 1990's, and at times enjoyed the Stan era. But my word, times have changed, and genuinely, in many ways for the better.

There's no point having a debate about kompany on here, but for his faults, the guy deserves more respect than he is being shown. I get we are football fans and the emotions run high and let's be honest, can be pretty fickle.

Happy to have this thrown back at me. But I'd happily put money on Kompany having a decent management career at a pretty high level. Unfortunately I'm really not sure he will stay long term at burnley. The current strategy isn't working, and once a fan base turns, it generally becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and is hard to swing things round. There's no agenda from me. I like kompany, I'm a but surprised by some decisions, and do feel he's either been a bit naive or arrogant, or potentially a combination of the two. But one thing I do know, that gap between championship and Premier league is just widening and it really doesn't suprise me that a team can dominate the championship and then struggle massively in the Premier league.

[Boss Hogg]

A huge gap but you can show fight without spending the earth and binning the players that got you here without giving them a chance. You can look organised and not clueless on the pitch. We did it under Dyche and Luton are doing it now. You could have picked any League 2 manager via eeny meeny miny moe and they probably wouldn’t have done any worse that we are doing.

[CoolClaret]

Happy to have this thrown back at me. But I'd happily put money on Kompany having a decent management career at a pretty high level. Unfortunately I'm really not sure he will stay long term at burnley. The current strategy isn't working, and once a fan base turns, it generally becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and is hard to swing things round. There's no agenda from me. I like kompany, I'm a but surprised by some decisions, and do feel he's either been a bit naive or arrogant, or potentially a combination of the two. But one thing I do know, that gap between championship and Premier league is just widening and it really doesn't suprise me that a team can dominate the championship and then struggle massively in the Premier league.

Honestly what makes you come to that conclusion?

Take last year out of the picture.

This season alone, be it man management, tactics, in-game decisions. What has he done that makes you think he'll have a decent management career at a pretty high level?

His name alone will give him time and job opps, but what do you think he's done that gives you that confidence?

I'd love to say the same and would like him to succeed here but I just can't see it.

[kentonclaret]

Vincent Kompany had a long and distinguished career at both club and international level winning numerous trophies along the way. But, the same could be said of Frank Lampard who struggled to have any real success at managing in the PL thus far anyway.
Kompany played the majority of his career at the centre of defence but Burnley have conceded the most goals this season in the PL, apart from bottom of the table Sheffield United. Burnley also have one of the worst records when it comes to conceding from set pieces. Surely, you would have expected us to be far better organised defensively than we have shown thus far.

[aggi]

Honestly what makes you come to that conclusion?

Take last year out of the picture.

This season alone, be it man management, tactics, in-game decisions. What has he done that makes you think he'll have a decent management career at a pretty high level?

His name alone will give him time and job opps, but what do you think he's done that gives you that confidence?

I'd love to say the same and would like him to succeed here but I just can't see it.

I mean, if you take the season where he got promoted with 100+ points out of the picture it does make it more difficult to form a positive picture.

[CoolClaret]

I mean, if you take the season where he got promoted with 100+ points out of the picture it does make it more difficult to form a positive picture.

But this is nothing like that, at all. I mean, we had one player that played regularly that season that started yesterday.

We're a completely different mishmash of a team.

Has to show he can get results in the PL from here on out. Under 7 wins would be a disaster, imo.

[PremierLeagueClass]

I mean, if you take the season where he got promoted with 100+ points out of the picture it does make it more difficult to form a positive picture.

“Take last season out the picture”. That’s a belter even by his standards. I’m generally starting to think Coolclaret is a parody account.

[CoolClaret]

“Take last season out the picture”. That’s a belter even by his standards. I’m generally starting to think Coolclaret is a parody account.

Last seasons team/style of play is long in the rear view mirror, that's why - I'm asking based on evidence of playing in the PL this season.

We want to spend more than one season in the PL, don't we?

My question is, what have you seen that thinks VK will ever be able to get consistent results with a team that is an underdog - because in this league we're always going to be just that.

[Vim Fuego]

“Take last season out the picture”. That’s a belter even by his standards. I’m generally starting to think Coolclaret is a parody account.

It is a fair enough question. Because right now, VK looks like a busted flush that only knows how to play against teams worse in quality. He has not cut it at this level. He has failed badly. VK more or less admitted this in an interview pre/match vs Liverpool. He needs to show that he is learning between now and the end of the season, and so far I don\t see any sign of that.

[agreenwood]

I’d imagine the producers and Sky would love to release it - everyone loves a car crash. First two chaotic seasons of “Sunderland Til I Die” were way more compelling than the latest season.

I guess it depends on whether Burnley have any say on whether it is released.

[Indecisive]

Honestly what makes you come to that conclusion?

Take last year out of the picture.

This season alone, be it man management, tactics, in-game decisions. What has he done that makes you think he'll have a decent management career at a pretty high level?

His name alone will give him time and job opps, but what do you think he's done that gives you that confidence?

I'd love to say the same and would like him to succeed here but I just can't see it.

Bit interesting to stipulate that we should take last year out of the picture, and only consider this season.

Also you kind of reference this seasons 'man management'. I'd argue it would be difficult for us to assess his man management skills to be honest. I guess there's probably an inference that he quickly ruled out some players who were part of an impressive team in the championship. I'd argue we aren't really the best placed to understand the reasoning behind this. I would say though, that there is a massive difference between excelling in the league below and being competitive at this level. My interpretation is that Kompany has attempted to rebuild for the challenge this year in the way he rebuilt last year. He has attempted to do this within the framework of this new model which has obviously been adopted. Think as fans we were pretty happy with the signings last summer, albeit we were generally concerned that a few clear gaps weren't addressed... I'm pretty sure Kompany was aware of that, and that we hadn't managed to get a couple of key ones over the line.

I get it's very hard to see any positives or acknowledge any progress we've made this year. For me Berge at times has looked pretty strong, o'shea has developed significantly as tbe seasons progressed, Koleosho looked a class above, odebert clearly has ability, Foster had shown real promise (not the place to dicuss the issues he's faced, but that's one thing I think burnley fans are unanimously supportive of him with), and Fofana looked to address some of our shortfalls up front.

I really can't face falling into a trap discussing the muric/Trafford conundrum. However in the league position we are in, its easy to criticise everything and anything... which at times seems to be the approach on here.

[blatherwickstattoos]

I’ve been filmed for this. Basically saying benson needs to be getting games . They’ve rang me for details and had to fill out a form

[CoolClaret]

Bit interesting to stipulate that we should take last year out of the picture, and only consider this season.

Also you kind of reference this seasons 'man management'. I'd argue it would be difficult for us to assess his man management skills to be honest. I guess there's probably an inference that he quickly ruled out some players who were part of an impressive team in the championship. I'd argue we aren't really the best placed to understand the reasoning behind this. I would say though, that there is a massive difference between excelling in the league below and being competitive at this level. My interpretation is that Kompany has attempted to rebuild for the challenge this year in the way he rebuilt last year. He has attempted to do this within the framework of this new model which has obviously been adopted. Think as fans we were pretty happy with the signings last summer, albeit we were generally concerned that a few clear gaps weren't addressed... I'm pretty sure Kompany was aware of that, and that we hadn't managed to get a couple of key ones over the line.

I get it's very hard to see any positives or acknowledge any progress we've made this year. For me Berge at times has looked pretty strong, o'shea has developed significantly as tbe seasons progressed, Koleosho looked a class above, odebert clearly has ability, Foster had shown real promise (not the place to dicuss the issues he's faced, but that's one thing I think burnley fans are unanimously supportive of him with), and Fofana looked to address some of our shortfalls up front.

I really can't face falling into a trap discussing the muric/Trafford conundrum. However in the league position we are in, its easy to criticise everything and anything... which at times seems to be the approach on here.

I do give credit for the way he handled Lyle Foster - I thought that was classy and it's a major plus point.

I don't wish to back and forth this either but I'll just say I did make reference (as did others) to it being borderline suicidal to try and blood in so many new players in a new system in the PL, seemed obvious to me I can't get my head around it. Especially when he's been on record talking about the number of sessions it takes to learn his system, but even then we have just not kicked on at all.

For the positives you listed I mean - yeah I guess but that's just not enough is it?

For me I just cannot see the logic in pretty much anything/everything done this season and want to see what others are seeing that I'm not.

I'd accept it if we were attempting a similar style of football as we did last season with the same lads and simply weren't good enough but we've changed, have a new team and are quite frankly, shite.

[Jakubclaret]

I do give credit for the way he handled Lyle Foster - I thought that was classy and it's a major plus point.

I don't wish to back and forth this either but I'll just say I did make reference (as did others) to it being borderline suicidal to try and blood in so many new players in a new system in the PL, seemed obvious to me I can't get my head around it. Especially when he's been on record talking about the number of sessions it takes to learn his system, but even then we have just not kicked on at all.

For the positives you listed I mean - yeah I guess but that's just not enough is it?

For me I just cannot see the logic in pretty much anything/everything done this season and want to see what others are seeing that I'm not.

I'd accept it if we were attempting a similar style of football as we did last season with the same lads and simply weren't good enough but we've changed, have a new team and are quite frankly, shite.

Regarding the Lyle foster occurrence it's what any normal football manager would have done. You offer him time out to sort his problems out & get him the treatment & all the support he needs internally. I can't think of any football manager that would have adopted the stance of selecting him & ignoring his problems when the problems become apparent. He did something that was normal & expected in the circumstances.

[CoolClaret]

Regarding the Lyle foster occurrence it's what any normal football manager would have done. You offer him time out to sort his problems out & get him the treatment & all the support he needs internally. I can't think of any football manager that would have adopted the stance of selecting him & ignoring his problems when the problems become apparent. He did something that was normal & expected in the circumstances.

It's more his absolute protection of him, and the way he handled the media and the nutters in the South African FA.

[BurnleyFC]

Regarding the Lyle foster occurrence it's what any normal football manager would have done. You offer him time out to sort his problems out & get him the treatment & all the support he needs internally. I can't think of any football manager that would have adopted the stance of selecting him & ignoring his problems when the problems become apparent. He did something that was normal & expected in the circumstances.

Unless you’re the manager of South Africa and his bosses.

[StayingDown4Ever]

I really can't face falling into a trap discussing the muric/Trafford conundrum. However in the league position we are in, its easy to criticise everything and anything... which at times seems to be the approach on here.

Easy to criticise everything? You say that like it’s neither here nor there who keeps costing us loads of goals.

Things like the guy on the PA being too loud I can see you classing as everything and anything in your dismissive tone but the Trafford being garbage fact shouldn’t be swept under the carpet.

[Westleigh]

Bully? Did he flush their heads down the bogs at HT? Stick pins in their arms? Maybe got a load of his hanger-ons to kicks their heads in after training?

Or, do you mean he let rip into a bunch of millionaires who weren't pulling their weight?

You must be a right soft-arse, who has never played football at any level whatsoever, if you consider a shouty bollocking team-talk to be bullying.

Don’t you think in todays society if one of those players went to a tribunal and said he was bullied he’d have a claim,didn’t Craig Bellamy get accused of bullying a few years ago,usual reply I suppose you like like a comment so you make personal remarks,

[Clovius Boofus]

Don’t you think in todays society if one of those players went to a tribunal and said he was bullied he’d have a claim.

No I don't.