Simple vote for Kompany to stay or go…no debate

[BabylonClaret]

I doubt VK set the limit for the transfer fee.

Well of course not but the bottom line is we should have made more effort. Sorry I get this is a VK in/out thread but the discussion has weaved a bit here - I wasn't suggesting it was Vincent's fault we didn't sign any.

Who we put out and how we set up is entirely on him and the management team though and that has been pretty shambolic most of the seaspn

[Stantheman]

After last season I can't believe I think he has to go.his summer transfer policy was shocking.amdouni Ramsey Trafford the 3 big money signings a total waste of money. Can only say berge koleosho possibly oshea were decent signings.vk destroyed last seasons team spirit in August a really shocking management mistake.having 1 left back all season and having 6/7 attacking wide men is totally unacceptable and downright stupid.not dropping Trafford even once says it all as far as his decision making is concerned.everyone can see vitinho is not a defender but because of his insistence on buying as many wide players as he could he had no choice.i think the players are definitely not playing for him now (his old guard and now this seasons signings).vk really has gone from hero to zero unfortunately

[JMU81]

Go.

I just don't think the board will sack him. Long term contract to pay out along with leaving a lot of unhappy players who signed because of him.

[turbo5]

Go unfortunately.
I have seen this in work environments, he is under extreme pressure , spent more than any other Burnley Manager convinced the none football oriented owners and investors to back his plan for high returns on players.
Persuaded young talented players to come to Burnley to further their careers , get a good reputation and be recognised at the highest level .
Unfortunately the plan hasn't worked , everything he touches fails , devoid of ideas, still insists on playing the same cards over and over again thinking they will work eventually . However it's getting worse. Its painful watching him week after week failing , it must hurt
The players are brow beaten, shot of confidence, the fringe players (last years championship side ) must be thinking what they have done wrong. its got that bad they struggle putting a pass together . dread to think how his man management is in the dressing room, The players have zero confidence
at first we were getting beat but having possession and playing attractive football , now we are like a totally hopeless side, out of their depth with no ideas. they even struggle to make a decent pass or attempts on goal.
We will finish the season relegated , without a competitive squad, and players wanting to leave to rebuild their reputation after being associated with this team.
It would take some miracle to turn this around, personally think we will be punished/bullied in the championship and don't expect to to bounce back up. He needs putting out of his misery for his sake and the teams sake next season

[ksrclaret]

Go.

I just don't think the board will sack him. Long term contract to pay out along with leaving a lot of unhappy players who signed because of him.

The players who've signed because of him look anything but happy with him in charge.

[boatshed bill]

Stay. The club was on its arse until he put a very cheap, promotion winning squad together.

[Blyclaret]

Is he gone yet

[Jamesy]

If Kompany can attract better players why is this team worse than anything Dyche ever fielded?

That wasn’t a team today. It was a group of poorly coached, beat arsed players who were going through the motions who have no affinity whatsoever to Burnley FC.
Absolute disgrace.
Even in our dark days we had players earning hardly F@ck all but had more minerals than this lot. They didn’t have the luxury of going home to their leafy Cheshire piles.
What makes it more unpalatable is that Kompany through his scouting/recruitment business has trousered money for each and everyone of these nothing players that he has filled our squad with.
The blame lies solely at Kompany’s door and he has got to go, and then at the end of the season we need to have a fire sale and see if we can recoup a fraction of the money that he has simply wasted.
Troubled times await.

[ksrclaret]

Stay. The club was on its arse until he put a very cheap, promotion winning squad together.

[CoolClaret]

Stay. The club was on its arse until he put a very cheap, promotion winning squad together.

Wasn't cheap. Let's be proper about things. Invested it well - no doubt.

[BensMee]

Simple really it’s a results industry GO

[matttheclaret]

Amdouni 15m, Tresor 15m, Ramsey 15m, Trafford 15m.

To me that is scary as hell.

Have we really spent that much on those players though? I'm not sure quoting the media prices really reflects what we've actually paid or actually will pay.

Either way, if you look at it at it's extremest, this summer was a disaster. The previous summer was a massive success. So I'd still say that "scary as hell" is somewhat of an exaggeration, especially considering we're heading back to the league where the former is applicable which you'd probably agree worked out rather well?

[criminalclaret]

Has a lot of learn at this (PL) level which he just hasn't adapted to. But insrill have faith in him. As other have said, stay until 10-12 games next season.

My reasons being

1. we are absolutely down so no point in changing him now and the financial hit..it's completely pointless
2. Has chosen this youth investment squad and will be disrupted when we go down (a few players sold and released hopefully) and needs to full rebalance with no or little finances. I think he's the best person for this.
3. He has the championship experience and understands the level well

I think he realises the widespread changes this season have been largely a catastrophe and I believe he knows what he needs to do to put it right next season.

If he doesn't, he should get the boot no question.

[BabylonClaret]

Stay. The club was on its arse until he put a very cheap, promotion winning squad together.

Hmmm
Muric, Cullen, Beyer, Al Dakhil, Vitinho, Benson, Zaroury, Delcroix, Foster , Obafemi must have cost around 30/40m?
Add that to existing Cork, Taylor, Brownhill, Jay, Ashley, Roberts who cost something like 40m
Plus tella (20m), THB (15?);Maatsen (20+ if he had said yes)
That's well over 100m worth of players. No wonder loads of other teams said we bought the league!!!

[boatshed bill]

Wasn't cheap. Let's be proper about things. Invested it well - no doubt.

No, it really was cheap.
Whether money has been spent wisely since is another matter.

[Oshkoshclaret]

Stay.

[ksrclaret]

It's the club on it's arse comment that's tickling me.

If that's true, he's given us a very expensive Brazilian Butt Lift and sat us very firmly back on it.

[CoolClaret]

No, it really was cheap.
Whether money has been spent wisely since is another matter.

Our (net) spend was huge compared to the rest of the division; that's an objective fact. It was spent well, but it certainly wasn't, 'cheap'.

[claptrappers_union]

Because, more than likely, he wasn't.
Dyche was a warrior of the English game, mainly in the EFL. They came for Premier League football.

But my point is, they were asked a question about Kompany.
If say Michael Duff replaces Kompany, I doubt new players will be asked about the attraction of working under Michael Duff.

It'll be like new signings for Spurs being asked about playing at the new Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. They weren’t asked about playing at White Hart Lane 10 years ago.

In fact, the appeal of working with a manager will only be part of a decision upon signing. Managers rarely meet the players they are interested in.

[boatshed bill]

Our (net) spend was huge compared to the rest of the division; that's an objective fact. It was spent well, but it certainly wasn't, 'cheap'.

We lost some very good (PLstandard) players and replaced them cheaply. I believe we had a minus net spend for the start of last season. admittedly we spent money in January, not sure how much.

[Claretitus]

Absolutely no debate. GO NOW.

[CoolClaret]

We lost some very good (PLstandard) players and replaced them cheaply. I believe we had a minus net spend for the start of last season. admittedly we spent money in January, not sure how much.

Doesn't matter if it was a minus net spend, if we sold 80 mill or whatever worth of player and spent 50 on players for that level, that's still an expensive squad for that level.

[boatshed bill]

Doesn't matter if it was a minus net spend, if we sold 80 mill or whatever worth of player and spent 50 on players for that level, that's still an expensive squad for that level.

Well I think it does matter so we'll have to agree to differ on that.

[CoolClaret]

Well I think it does matter so we'll have to agree to differ on that.

You might think it does, but you'd be objectively wrong.

[taio]

You might think it does, but you'd be objectively wrong.

He's not wrong at all. Objectively or otherwise.

[CoolClaret]

He's not wrong at all. Objectively or otherwise.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/burnley ... on_id/2022

Not 100% accurate but that isn't "cheap", it's well invsted, no doubt.

[ksrclaret]

Anyone who says that last seasons promotion squad was “very cheap” is telling a lie and only they will know why they are telling that very strange lie.

[taio]

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/burnley ... on_id/2022

Not 100% accurate but that isn't "cheap", it's well invsted, no doubt.

I was referring to the point about the value of the outgoings being relevant.

[CnBtruntru]

STAY

[Clive 1960]

At the beginning i said if we get relegated he deserves the chance like Dyche to try and get us back up but the last few games i have had a change of heart not about the results but the manner of those defeats no spirit, fight in the team and obviously the team selection, so if we can pay him off then he should go..

[Cooclaret]

Thank you to all who have voted so far. Please try to stick to a stay/go, it’ll make the thread easier to read and give a truer reflection of the feelings of the fans.

I’ll try and take a tally at 24 hours. Still some prominent board members who haven’t voted, be good to get everyone’s view.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Go asap

[fungus_the_bogeyman]

Stay, but erring towards go slightly with every passing none performance.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Stay. The club was on its arse until he put a very cheap, promotion winning squad together.

“The most expensive, promotion winning squad together


Fixed that for you

[Vegas Claret]

great one word no debate answers lads

[KRBFC]

He’s a very young inexperienced manager and it shows but I think long term he’ll develop into a manager good enough for this level. I think he’s been stitched up with some of the signings and some of those we didn’t get.

I think he will accept mistakes were made and we simply couldn’t recover from those mistakes. I do think we’ve seen fight this season, 2 week ago I thought the players gave their all at Anfield. Then we see that car crash earlier, a team lacking belief and fight.

I do think he’s been killed by his own success, I don’t think him or the team were ready for promotion in the first year. For me he’s earned the right to give it a go, to reflect on the mistakes and hopefully in puts that real fire in his belly to put it right.

I trust him long term, so STAY

[KRBFC]

Also you can say GO without being utterly disrespectful and classless with comments like “ruined the club” “clueless” etc

Just remember what this man achieved for this football club last season, you should be grateful to VK for that. Winning the title at Ewood. We are playing at this level because of him. A man who turned down other jobs to remain loyal to us.

Hate to see the personal hatred for a man who achieved a lot and brought BFC fans so much joy. Really sad to see the lack of class from some. From hero to zero in months. Fickle world

[StayingDown4Ever]

Should have gone weeks ago.

GO.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Stay. He needs results in the next five to show hope for next season.

[Vegas Claret]

Also you can say GO without being utterly disrespectful and classless with comments like “ruined the club” “clueless” etc

Just remember what this man achieved for this football club last season, you should be grateful to VK for that. Winning the title at Ewood. We are playing at this level because of him. A man who turned down other jobs to remain loyal to us.

Hate to see the personal hatred for a man who achieved a lot and brought BFC fans so much joy. Really sad to see the lack of class from some. From hero to zero in months. Fickle world

They stick out like a sore thumb and are far more embarrassing than anything we are seeing on the pitch. Every club has them, some of the stuff the WHU lot have been saying about Moyes (after everything he has done for them) is staggering.

[ashtonlongsider]

Stay 100%.

[ropecatchmonkey]

In the name of god ,GO

[Blyclaret]

Never been as sure of anything in my life. It’s a very definite. GO.

[Darthlaw]

Stay, just about.

Still living on credit from last season with me, but it’s running out fast.

[Newcastleclaret93]

They stick out like a sore thumb and are far more embarrassing than anything we are seeing on the pitch. Every club has them, some of the stuff the WHU lot have been saying about Moyes (after everything he has done for them) is staggering.

I’m not sure it is embarrassing Vegas.

The strategy of the club (transfers) has really made it difficult to get behind the club.

The injury of Ramsey is the perfect example, when Ings, Vokes, Marney all got serious injuries I remember being absolutely devestated. Obviously I wish the lad well but I genuinely didn’t feel anything for him.

Similarly this is probably the first time in my life watching Burnley where I don’t have a favourite player (sounds childish I know). I find my self just not caring about any of the players, they don’t get what makes the club Burnley and as a result I just haven’t been able to build any kind of admiration for them.

You can have whatever opinion you want of VK. But fans shouldn’t feel that way and something has gone really wrong.

[leelad]

Stay.

[matucana]

Should resign along with all of his extensive backroom team to prevent further financial catastrophy being imposed upon the club. The last two transfer windows along with this season have been an expensive disaster.
Investors must be losing confidence with the Championship an almost certainty and I only hope that our cashflow is sufficiently robust to maintain both regular payments to the extensive squad and other outgoing commitments.
Sadly he was the sole reason why many players came here as they were keen to learn and be developed by him to make them better and rounded players. For those who have got onto the pitch there is no sign of any serious football skill, nous or desire.
A total and utter shambles.

[Big Vinny K]

“The most expensive, promotion winning squad together


Fixed that for you

“Fixed that for you” by stating an absolute lie.
Honestly when will you learn to not comment on areas that you are clueless about ? (I realise that probably only leaves Love Island and crisps but I’m sure there are forums for them too)

[onewillieirvine]

Stay.

[JohnMcGreal]

Stay.

This season has been a write-off for a while now, but he has to be given the opportunity to put things right next season.

That said if the first 12 games or so don't go well I think he'll be under serious pressure.