Get this clown out

[The Shire Claret]

Fickle game is football at times - jeez Louise

[Cirrus_Minor]

Loads of possession and won the game on points…..but picked up none yet again

But never really looked like they could score and looked increasingly more likely to concede on counter attack. Bournemouth could snd probably should have had 2 or 3 goals before they scored their second goal.

[Nori1958]

It’s okay saying let’s give him until next season, but that’s a long way away and patience is now exhausted. It’s going to get very toxic.

Time for Alan to make a change, this is diabolical on all levels.

Unlucky in places today but you don’t get to cry bad luck when it’s March and you have 13 points. Schoolboy defending again too.

Was it diabolical, or unlucky, seems you're struggling to decide.
This year has been crap, agreed... But I cannot think of anyone who realistically could come in and do better next season than the person who just walked that league... Very short memory

[warksclaret]

It’s okay saying let’s give him until next season, but that’s a long way away and patience is now exhausted. It’s going to get very toxic.

Time for Alan to make a change, this is diabolical on all levels.

Unlucky in places today but you don’t get to cry bad luck when it’s March and you have 13 points. Schoolboy defending again too.

Alright people saying give him a chance next season but if we come back up, and a its a big IF, how can you trust him in the PL again when this year he has been an absolute disaster (one home win), and there is for me a big question mark on his ability to motivate players

[Newcastleclaret93]

Was it diabolical, or unlucky, seems you're struggling to decide.
This year has been crap, agreed... But I cannot think of anyone who realistically could come in and do better next season than the person who just walked that league... Very short memory

But what you’re not considering at all, is VK was successful in that season in large because everyone bought into it.

He’s looking like ending this season below 20 points and no doubt there will be large swaithes of fans that are sick of him.

He will be under immense pressure if not in the top 2 straight from the off next season.

[SalouClaret]

Would play Vitinho right wing every game now instead of JBG. One of the few highlights today. He has speed and trickery and best kept away from defence

He tackled himself more than he was tackled today. Gets in good positions and then needlessly falls over or lets the ball go out of play/to the opposition.

[StayingDown4Ever]

But what you’re not considering at all, is VK was successful in that season in large because everyone bought into it.

He’s looking like ending this season below 20 points and no doubt there will be large swaithes of fans that are sick of him.

He will be under immense pressure if not in the top 2 straight from the off next season.

Remember when fans were blaming our form on a tricky opening set of fixtures and confident we’d be beating sides like Bournemouth, Fulham, Luton, Palace etc when they came to the Turf?

[Nori1958]

But what you’re not considering at all, is VK was successful in that season in large because everyone bought into it.

He’s looking like ending this season below 20 points and no doubt there will be large swaithes of fans that are sick of him.

He will be under immense pressure if not in the top 2 straight from the off next season.

I don't doubt he will be under pressure, I've said previously I'd look after 10 games, if those fans are sick of him, perhaps they might consider staying away

[warksclaret]

He tackled himself more than he was tackled today. Gets in good positions and then needlessly falls over or lets the ball go out of play/to the opposition.

Diagree-have a look at todays player ratings which are quite rightly low, but Vitinho has consistently scored 7 and I would be surprised if he does not end up as MOM when all polls are completed

[Wokingclaret]

Fans stayed away in the 80's, didn't do us much good then!

[Boss Hogg]

I don't doubt he will be under pressure, I've said previously I'd look after 10 games, if those fans are sick of him, perhaps they might consider staying away

Plenty have.

[Nori1958]

Plenty have.

Excellent

[The Shire Claret]

Plenty have.

Good

[Wokingclaret]

No, its not excellent or good that fans stay away

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don't doubt he will be under pressure, I've said previously I'd look after 10 games, if those fans are sick of him, perhaps they might consider staying away

Tbf I don’t think that attitude is beneficial for the club at all.

The only way our club is successful is if it’s pulling in the same direction.

That’s honestly why I can’t see a long term future where VK is successful here. Even if he gets promoted next season what happens then? Another season of the worst football in many fans life times?

[Nori1958]

No, its not excellent or good that fans stay away

It is if they are sick of this manager, especially next season, better off without them

[The Shire Claret]

No, its not excellent or good that fans stay away

If they are going to boo players it is

They will be soon back when the weather is fairer

UTC

[Shaggy]

It is if they are sick of this manager, especially next season, better off without them

Better off without the manager who’s gave us our worst ever season

[Wokingclaret]

If they are going to boo players it is

They will be soon back the weather is fairer

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When gates got as low as 2000, guess what, the football got worse and the remaining fans booed the team even more

[burnleymik]

The crowd were good first half and really responded to the effort of the team. It's easy to understand the frustration and what other way do they have to show that frustration that on the terraces so the board, manager and players can hear it, as ultimately they are the only ones that can change things.

[The Shire Claret]

When gates got as low as 2000, guess what, the football got worse and the remaining fans booed the team even more

Jumping the gun a bit there !

[Wokingclaret]

It is if they are sick of this manager, especially next season, better off without them

Oh, more likely Pace and Co will act if its hitting the pocket

[Wokingclaret]

Jumping the gun a bit there !

Sure, just from experience

[The Shire Claret]

Sure, just from experience

Yeah me too … I’m not over the moon we are getting relegated and are on 13 points … but I’m not in the ‘get rid of this clown’ group

An incredible high season has been followed by an incredible low

Normal to be frustrated but getting rid is a mistake for me

[Nori1958]

Better off without the manager who’s gave us our worst ever season

Really? Our worst ever season?

[Theivley Pike]

He tackled himself more than he was tackled today. Gets in good positions and then needlessly falls over or lets the ball go out of play/to the opposition.

A really strange character who never stops running but doesn’t seem to have any sort of interaction with his team mates,if he was a bit bigger could be a cracking player after all he is a Brazilian.

[evensteadiereddie]

Better off without the manager who’s gave us our worst ever season

Maybe your worst.
Then, again, maybe your best because it's let you fill you boots slagging off just about everyone and everything connected with the club.

[Hapag Lloyd]

Pace wants turf moor to be like Disney land so he needs clowns there to fufil that brief.

Have you applied?

[Culmclaret]

Very likely to be our worst ever season in terms of points per game. That will be one thing that no apologist for this disaster of a manager and his wretched project will be able to argue away

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Have you applied?

Why don’t you apply to be a stalker you would be a good one

[Newcastleclaret93]

Really? Our worst ever season?

Statistically that’s true isn’t it?

[CoolClaret]

I think I've seen enough.

I've had concerns with this 'model' and style of recruiting and I just don't see it being successful and fostering a proper team ethos.

Not sure where we go from here but this isn't for me.

[spt_claret]

Really? Our worst ever season?

On a number of metrics it is. In the grand scheme of things is it as bad as the 3rd or 4th tier, of course not. But in isolation as a single season it's appalling - we're on track for one of if not our worst points tally ever, our worst home points tally ever, we've already broke the PL record for most home defeats, the 'good football' tag, subjective at the best of times, is countered by a few basic facts- we don't score many, we concede lots, most of our 'pretty play' and possession is dithering in our own half or third, with the occasional move forward. Today was one of our best performances of the season and we lost 2-0 at home breaking the home defeat record.
It's abject misery and regarding Kompany what I find hard to reconcile is the following:

-Many of the ardent 'Kompany In' fans, were confidently predicting we'd walk the Championship last season before a ball was kicked, they took it as a formality, quoting the bookies favouring us for the title. I, and a number of others, were less optimistic. I predicted mid table, maybe playoffs, due to the extent of the rebuild.

-Those same "we'll walk it" fans are now generally suddenly saying Kompany overachieved last season, that it was a massive success in excess of expectations- frankly untrue in their case given they expected to coast to the title. They're using other people's criteria to judge Kompany's performance. By their own standards, he hit the target last season, and by ANY measure cannot be deemed as anything but underperforming this season, especially next to Sheffield & in particular Luton in context- last season vs this as a measuring stick, summer spend etc.

I am just about still 'Kompany In', hanging by a thread but just about, I think stability and continuity is important in football and loyalty is to be admired. I increasingly worry he's lost the team, isn't learning or is in fact regressing, and last season was more a virtue of our relative spend/existing squad value vs the rest of the league and our core of Dyche holdovers. However- by MY standards, he overperformed versus last season's expectations, so for that reason I would keep him. But I don't understand how people who were so blase about last season, can still be saying "He's great and exceeded expectations" when he simply hasn't exceeded their own expectations. They're arguing out of a desire to 'win' against other people who are more critical rather than be intellectually honest and it just smacks of some emotional attachment to ALK's project rather than the club itself.

[Nori1958]

Statistically that’s true isn’t it?

I think bottom of 4th division, years in 3rd and 4th divisions were far worse, more points possibly, but this season comes nowhere near any of those seasons, we might get relegated, but won't be one game away from extinction
Stats mean nowt in this case.

[taio]

Statistically that’s true isn’t it?

Nope

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nope

According to the old internet in a 3 point season our lowest ever points tally was 30.

We are going to come some way short of that. Stats wise this is our worst ever season

[The Shire Claret]

Statistically that’s true isn’t it?

In the premier league …

This important to note

[taio]

According to the old internet in a 3 point season our lowest ever points tally was 30.

We are going to come some way short of that. Stats wise this is our worst ever season

Do you not think it might be appropriate to consider the different levels of football?

[SalouClaret]

Diagree-have a look at todays player ratings which are quite rightly low, but Vitinho has consistently scored 7 and I would be surprised if he does not end up as MOM when all polls are completed

I'm not suggesting he was one of the worst players today, but he wasn't good. Definitely not good enough to be starting as a winger in the Premier League or even Championship. Watch the game again and count how many times he gave the ball away.

He seems to do all the hard work but can't get the basics right. His reading of the game is good. If his legs could keep up with his brain he'd be a great player.

[Murger]

The only clowns inside turf moor was the clowns embarrassing themselves giving direct abuse to VK at the end. Disgraceful

As I’ve said on another thread, people are criticised for venting opinions on here, and at the turf. How on earth are people supposed to vent their frustrations?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I'm not suggesting he was one of the worst players today, but he wasn't good. Definitely not good enough to be starting as a winger in the Premier League or even Championship. Watch the game again and count how many times he gave the ball away.

He seems to do all the hard work but can't get the basics right. His reading of the game is good. If his legs could keep up with his brain he'd be a great player.

How hes in front of Benson on the right i will never know.

[Murger]

Was Pace there today he deserves at least some blame for this.

Any fan that pays money to watch this shambles’s has right to say whatever they want within reason.

I don’t see how this is on Pace. He’s backed the manager. This seasons shambles is squarely at VKs feet.

[Wokingclaret]

Do you not think it might be appropriate to consider the different levels of football?

And then £100 mill

[Blyclaret]

When you’re employed to do a job. Football manager or other wise. And when you do it as badly as VW has this season whether is scouting or buying players… picking the team deciding on tactics… and you fail miserable you deserve sacking. There no way back for him now with this club. Even if we win the championship next season. There will be a niggling doubt. Would you trust VK with another £100 million of the clubs money. Exactly. Theres your answer.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I don’t see how this is on Pace. He’s backed the manager. This seasons shambles is squarely at VKs feet.

Hes still quietly employing him though, hes not doing much else wrong i will admit.

[taio]

When you’re employed to do a job. Football manager or other wise. And when you do it as badly as VW has this season whether is scouting or buying players… picking the team deciding on tactics… and you fail miserable you deserve sacking. There no way back for him now with this club. Even if we win the championship next season. There will be a niggling doubt. Would you trust VK with another £100 million of the clubs money. Exactly. Theres your answer.

You need a reality check. If we win the Championship under Kompany I will be delighted. Short memories some people.

[claret54]

Kompany is a young manager learning. Last season most things worked very well. This season he's made lots of mistakes and we've had a terrible season.
So sack him and get no benefit of two seasons experience. Or keep him and write off this season to his development.
Look at Lampard Rooney and Gerrard.will any of them make it.
We all have to learn to do our jobs better. If I think back to when I was 30. I was inexperienced I would do a better job now. I was given the opportunity to learn and develop. I needed that and I appreciate it so much.
So despite such an awful season I would stick with him. I saw today signs that we would be able to dominate teams in the championship as we did last season.
We got the benefits of sticking with Dyche. Let's see if we get the benefits of sticking with Kompany.

[evensteadiereddie]

Exactly., taio.
All those "true" Clarets would come flooding back....

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Kompany is a young manager learning.

Hes showing anything but learning tbh

[Blyclaret]

So now VK is living on credit…. For what he’s achieved last season. This is a results business.