There are obviously several issues that would emerge from even a basic analysis of potential conflicts of interests.
There is also the question of what happens to the relationship between the club and MUD when the manager leaves?
There are obviously several issues that would emerge from even a basic analysis of potential conflicts of interests.
Apart from that situation being clear as mud (sorry), I see it as an advantage.forzagranata wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:06 pmThere are obviously several issues that would emerge from even a basic analysis of potential conflicts of interests.
There is also the question of what happens to the relationship between the club and MUD when the manager leaves?
I think the point here is more about conflicts of interest in general. No one is saying Kompany has or will ever do this, however there is potentially an outside factor that could input some bias in to decision making. I think it's fair to say that people can be influenced/biased without even realising it. I doubt Kompany would ever say he would play player X to make his business extra funds or make that decision consciously, but I think it's possible that someone in his position could have a natural affinity towards players that are recruited through that method and be biased that way- just as an example but there are other ways too. Obviously no one is saying that is happening either- just trying to explain why generally conflicts of interest aren't somthing you'd want.NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:46 pmHard to explain his treatment of Muric, Benson, Zaroury, Tresor, Ramsey, Massengo, etc etc - all of whom were presumably acquired using this method - while playing the likes of Brownhill over Cullen, Charlie when fit all season, starting Roberts over Vitinho early season, JBG over a number of his signings this year and last, etc. Tony also corrected me on how many times he played Cork and Barnes played last season too, when he had Foster benched and Obafemi available.
I think he just picks who he thinks is most likely to win him games, which is the only way he’ll build his reputation and develop his career. If he does that he stands to earn way more as an elite coach than some hypothetical commission ever would.
It’s crazy to think he’d detriment his whole career, reputation and earning potential for some for some recruitment company he’s probably a minority holder in.
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:51 pmRemind us which English, PL keeper got relegated, sold for a huge profit, then got relegated again and sold for even more money
Tresor was highly rated before he came to us, he will still be highly rated by some in the game who’ll look past this season
Ramsey - still only 21, has played just 525 mins of PL football this season and is now out injured
He will get better but he’s been playing in a team that’s collectively struggling
NoSuperjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:44 pmSo let me get this right
All last seasons bargains were brought in via IST analytics
This seasons extravagant buys were brought in via MUD?
Is that right?
If so looks like we need to go back to last years methods.
Manager scouted them?
No I don't think that's true. MTB would seem to evidence that a connection existed well before that date.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:44 pmSo let me get this right
All last seasons bargains were brought in via IST analytics
This seasons extravagant buys were brought in via MUD?
Is that right?
If so looks like we need to go back to last years methods.
It does Simon, and it highlights an issue that many are reluctant to discuss, the club has not been that successful at selling players for a while now, part of that can be put on Dyche blocking sales when, hindsight, tells us they were at optimal value, part down to keeping players until their contracts ran out part of that is down to recruitment. The new ownership have signed many more players than were signed in the equivalent period before them, but in reality have only sold 2 and for little actual profit when all the costs have been deducted, leaving us with a sizeable number of players for whom we are still paying wages and transfer fee instalments but who are seemingly not wanted by the manager. In Mooney language, the utilisation of all these signings has been poor.forzagranata wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:28 pmThere is some insight into VK"s business partner in MUD Lee Mooney's approach in this article where he looks at a Belgian club
https://trainingground.guru/articles/le ... ridiculous
This, in particular stands out:
“Let’s say you’ve put €100m in, have €100m of annual costs, how much of that annual cost is on the field? Low levels of utilisation are generally an indicator of something being wrong - you’ve overpaid for a player, you’ve over-valued them, you’ve put too much money down on a guy that’s not robust, so they’re not on the field enough, you’ve made a tactical change or switched something that makes players redundant."
FIFA regulations step in there - I think the number of such squad players a club is allowed to loan out reduces again next seasonforzagranata wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:05 pmI would certainly expect a mass clear-out - whether it is a necessity for financial reasons or not.
It's going to be very interesting to see if ALK are ready and willing to go through a third straight summer of mass player trading and acquisition.
I would add another metric into Mooney's analysis - the amount of players of first team level that you loan out. Loans, of course, can be a useful way of giving experience to young players but when you have loans of players like Weghorst and Bastian, even perhaps Twine, Zaroury and McNally, these are basically players out of the door that you aren't able to sell for the money you'd like to receive.
only if, you are recruiting to build a team rather than a farming operation. Of course, is made more complex if you are yo-yoing.forzagranata wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:24 pmYeah - point more is that there is a difference between loans for development (such as those we see with Dundee etc) and loans because we can't sell them and want part of their salary off the pay roll. The former can be an intelligent way to give young players experience, the latter is a sign of problems with your recruitment.
What are they now and what are they reducing to out of interest?Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:13 pmFIFA regulations step in there - I think the number of such squad players a club is allowed to loan out reduces again next season
It’s highly more complex if you are yo-yoing…Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:32 pmonly if, you are recruiting to build a team rather than a farming operation. Of course, is made more complex if you are yo-yoing.
Is that rule not for international loans because don’t we have more than 7 senior players out on loan at the momentChester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:31 pm7 to 6 from the summer
https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/organis ... egulations
Egan Riley is classed as an U21 this season123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:26 pmIs that rule not for international loans because don’t we have more than 7 senior players out on loan at the moment
Peacock-Farrell
Roberts
McNally
Egan-Riley
Bastien
Twine
Zaroury
Obafemi
Weghorst
Without Egan-Riley it would still be 8 first team players out on loan
That leaves two options123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:49 amWithout Egan-Riley it would still be 8 first team players out on loan