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Minepalois police department to be abolished

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:18 pm

no point having them if all they do is abuse it. Either way, it's all gonna end in tears

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by conyoviejo » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:24 pm

Get the guy from Gotham City to sort it out..

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Sheedyclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:35 pm

Abolishing the police deluded..

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by LeadBelly » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:44 pm

It's going to be replaced my some other policing set up though - otherwise it's back to "wild west" days with everybody openly carrying a gun & fastest draw wins.
With no police, the winners would be gun-sellers. I think gun sales are already doing great in USA as people begin to worry about protecting their own homes and families from mobs.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:49 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:18 pm
no point having them if all they do is abuse it. Either way, it's all gonna end in tears
I’m no trump hater. And you can’t blame floyds death or Covid on him.

But his reign was always going to end in tears too wasn’t it.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:50 pm

it is being replaced by something yes, not sure what as of yet but it can't be any worse than what they currently have

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:52 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:49 pm
I’m no trump hater. And you can’t blame floyds death or Covid on him.

But his reign was always going to end in tears too wasn’t it.
When he got into power I figured I'd give him a chance, something different, not a career politician etc but he been a complete disaster and has been aided and abetted by what will go down as one of the worst and most corrupt political parties in the history of the United States

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:25 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:52 pm
When he got into power I figured I'd give him a chance, something different, not a career politician etc but he been a complete disaster and has been aided and abetted by what will go down as one of the worst and most corrupt political parties in the history of the United States
I'm genuinely astounded at what he's got away with and, continues to get away with.
I'm waiting to see the expo of where all these billions in virus aid has gone.

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Post by karatekid » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:36 pm

He has made America great again and he has sorted those North Koreans out ...........hasn't he?



:shock:

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:40 pm

Stupid idea.

They're going to dismantle the police force and replace it with licenced peace keepers.. :roll:

Honestly they should look at major police reforms instead.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Bosscat » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:00 pm

They should be sacked the lot of them....

Bloody hell they can't even spell Minneapolis 🤔.

Sorry Cfc couldn't resist 🤭
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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by karatekid » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:02 pm

Wasn’t there a group in USA some years ago who were like vigilantes and got uniformed up to protect their neighbourhoods? I think they came to the uk for a while too.

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Post by Bosscat » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:03 pm

karatekid wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:02 pm
Wasn’t there a group in USA some years ago who were like vigilantes and got uniformed up to protect their neighbourhoods? I think they came to the uk for a while too.
In New York on the Subway if memory serves...

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Bosscat » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:04 pm

karatekid wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:02 pm
Wasn’t there a group in USA some years ago who were like vigilantes and got uniformed up to protect their neighbourhoods? I think they came to the uk for a while too.
In New York on the Subway if memory serves...

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:03 pm

Too many people on here are jumping to conclusions about what defunding the police means in America. What you have to remember is that most American police forces have been militarised and as a consequence, they adopt military tactics. Defunding means doing away with the military side and policing by consent.

Minneapolis is not the first locale to break up a department, but no cities as populous have ever attempted it. Minneapolis City Council members haven't specified what or who will replace it if the department disbands but Camden, New Jersey, may be the closest thing to a case study they can get.

The city, home to a population about 17% of Minneapolis' size, dissolved its police department in 2012 and replaced it with an entirely new one after corruption rendered the existing agency unfixable

Before its police reforms, Camden was routinely named one of the most violent cities in the US. Now, seven years after the old department was booted (though around 100 officers were rehired), the city's crime has dropped by close to half. Officers host outdoor parties for residents and knock on doors to introduce themselves. It's a radically different Camden than it was even a decade ago.

Training for new recruits emphasizes deescalation, and the department's use of force policy makes clear that deadly force is the last option.

Sounds like a much better idea than the current system in the rest of America to me.
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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by box_of_frogs » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:24 pm

Adopting military tactics!? Behave. I’m a far more efficient “killer” than the Minneapolis PD will ever be.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by dougcollins » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:34 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:49 pm
I’m no trump hater. And you can’t blame floyds death or Covid on him.

Depends how you look at it.

You could say Trump created the environment where the officer felt comfortable to act like he did.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:40 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:34 pm
Depends how you look at it.

You could say Trump created the environment where the officer felt comfortable to act like he did.

Thats one hell of a reach.

Newsflash: there was horrific police brutality in the Obama administration, just as there has been in every single one.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:42 pm

100 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend.

They don't need defunding. They need MORE funding.

Look at how Giuliani sorted out New York with more offices on the beat in violent areas.

Homicides went down from 2500/year to 500/year.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:44 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:24 pm
Adopting military tactics!? Behave. I’m a far more efficient “killer” than the Minneapolis PD will ever be.
Before you make rash, uneducated statements, I suggest you look at this.

https://www.charleskochinstitute.org/is ... of-police/

Perhaps you think that the Charles Koch Institute make stuff up?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tary-units
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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:46 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:42 pm
100 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend.

They don't need defunding. They need MORE funding.

Look at how Giuliani sorted out New York with more offices on the beat in violent areas.

Homicides went down from 2500/year to 500/year.
I suggest you read this as well.

https://www.charleskochinstitute.org/is ... of-police/

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by FCBurnley » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:51 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:50 pm
it is being replaced by something yes, not sure what as of yet but it can't be any worse than what they currently have
So I guess you will be taking up residence in St Paul’s very soon

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by box_of_frogs » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:52 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:44 pm
Before you make rash uneducated statements, I suggest you look at this.

https://www.charleskochinstitute.org/is ... of-police/

Perhaps you think that the Charles Koch Institute make stuff up?
I've spent 20 years in the actual military and fought in 2 wars, so no, I'm pretty sure I'm not making it up. An automatic rifle and some posh body armour doesn't make you the military.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:55 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:46 pm
I suggest you read this as well.

https://www.charleskochinstitute.org/is ... of-police/
You do know The Don has just signed an executive order regarding the Police you know?

LOL @ trying to pin police brutality on Trump, my days.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:02 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:52 pm
I've spent 20 years in the actual military and fought in 2 wars, so no, I'm pretty sure I'm not making it up. An automatic rifle and some posh body armour doesn't make you the military.
You obviously haven't a clue about the stuff the American Police now have then. Did you even bother to read the link? I doubt it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tary-units

Oh, and being in the British military doesn't mean you know about the American Police than other people. I was in the Gulf during the 70s (Oman) before most people knew there was a Gulf. I ended up being shot and casevaced out, but that doesn't mean I know more than other people who bother to read good articles. But at least I try to deal in facts, not hysteria.

Look at the chart on this page with regard to military spending for the police. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tary-units
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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by aggi » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:17 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:55 pm
You do know The Don has just signed an executive order regarding the Police you know?

LOL @ trying to pin police brutality on Trump, my days.
Yep, certainly doesn't sound like his kind of thing.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-p ... d=48914504

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by box_of_frogs » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:30 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:02 pm
You obviously haven't a clue about the stuff the American Police now have then. Did you even bother to read the link? I doubt it.

Oh, and being in the British military doesn't mean you know about the American Police than other people. I was in the Gulf during the 70s (Oman) before most people knew there was a Gulf. I ended up being shot and casevaced out, but that doesn't mean I know more than other people who bother to read good articles. But at least I try to deal in facts, not hysteria.
Aye, I skimmed through your conspiracy theory laden article and I still don’t see the resemblance between any US PD and a military force. The SWAT may just about resemble a bunch of drop shorts, but your average copper? No.

When the US coppers get synchronised network enabled joint fires with 5th and 6th gen technology to suppress a peer level enemy, then I’ll worry about them.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:35 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:30 pm
Aye, I skimmed through your conspiracy theory laden article and I still don’t see the resemblance between any US PD and a military force. The SWAT may just about resemble a bunch of drop shorts, but your average copper? No.

When the US coppers get synchronised network enabled joint fires with 5th and 6th gen technology to suppress a peer level enemy, then I’ll worry about them.
So you think that the Charles Koch Institute pedals conspiracy theories eh? That shows your ignorance.

Look at the chart on this page. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tary-units

Since 1997, the US Department of Defense has transferred more than $7.2bn in military equipment to law enforcement agencies. The only person who tried to slow it down was Obama.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:41 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:17 pm
Yep, certainly doesn't sound like his kind of thing.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-p ... d=48914504
Imagine formulating your opinions based on headlines.

Read his recent exec order - even CNN praised him!
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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:56 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:51 pm
So I guess you will be taking up residence in St Paul’s very soon
another mighty fine contribution by you :lol:

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:07 am

box_of_frogs wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:30 pm
Aye, I skimmed through your conspiracy theory laden article and I still don’t see the resemblance between any US PD and a military force. The SWAT may just about resemble a bunch of drop shorts, but your average copper? No.

When the US coppers get synchronised network enabled joint fires with 5th and 6th gen technology to suppress a peer level enemy, then I’ll worry about them.
some of the police squads over here have better equipment and more of it than some of the units in the US Army !! I've had this exact conversation with the 3 mil lads I know over here, 2 Army and 1 USAF - they obviously say that the biggest difference is the level of training and responsibility they have compared to the Police, but make no mistake, in terms of basic military grade equipment some Police forces have plenty !

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Post by Bullabill » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:09 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:35 pm
So you think that the Charles Koch Institute pedals conspiracy theories eh? That shows your ignorance.


Pedals conspiracy theories ? On a bike?

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Burnley Ace » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:49 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:42 pm
100 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend.

They don't need defunding. They need MORE funding.

Look at how Giuliani sorted out New York with more offices on the beat in violent areas.

Homicides went down from 2500/year to 500/year.
What they need to do is sort out the guns. If the police turn up to every incident thinking the suspect is armed then it’s no surprise (or criticism) that they have guns ready too.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:57 am

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:34 pm
Depends how you look at it.

You could say Trump created the environment where the officer felt comfortable to act like he did.
That had crossed my mind but this has been happening long before trump was in power.

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Re: Minepalois police department to be abolished

Post by Hipper » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:16 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:02 pm
I ended up being shot and casevaced out....
Well at least I've learned a new word today:

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/casevaced

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