I didn’t say his previous player development was bad and it has been excellent, however I did say “the last time...” that’s what I believe is the problem here. Part of the issue must be related to the car crash that was the Ben Gibson signing. Not for one minute am I laying blame at anyone’s door, but with our finances being tight, we can’t afford wastes like that.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:11 amWhich was paid for by previous profits on player sales and premier league money earned by the manager and players he signed
Just saying
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But in the current uncertain economic climate it's the wrong time to ask the board to stretch itself. He's missed his timing by at least 6 months.NewClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:45 pmhttps://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/b ... 04075.html
Brilliant interview. Doesn’t sound to me like he’s looking to leave, more asking the club to stretch itself to find the next level. Agree with him 100%.
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I’ve missed that one...what’s old Ron been up to...I’m guessing maybe something under age years ago?huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:57 amThere will be a career vacancy there if Ron Jeremy goes down. Oops! Sorry, goes to gaol for his alleged offences.
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I love the way that Sean Dyche is able to read the press. Never flustered and always ready for the "tough question" that the interviewer is waiting to field. He can flip from self deprecating to answering questions about racism, board unrest, tactics and players options in a heartbeat.
We all know that we really don't know what goes on in personal discussions behind the scenes but he gives off an aura of being truthful/honest about what is the reality without divulging the petty.
We all know that we really don't know what goes on in personal discussions behind the scenes but he gives off an aura of being truthful/honest about what is the reality without divulging the petty.
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But the economic climate is the same for everyone, and arguably others will be worse impacted - those with greater loss of Matchday revenue, debt to service. Now is the time to invest and take advantage of being in sound financial health.
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I see plenty of donkeyshuw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:46 pmHorses for courses. I find them easy on the eye, with no cutting edge.
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Too much equine interest here; looks like you've paying too much attention to our "friends" down the road.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:46 pmHorses for courses. I find them easy on the eye, with no cutting edge.
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You’re right. I had a pony on Wigan for 2-0.Claret Toni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:32 pmToo much equine interest here; looks like you've paying too much attention to our "friends" down the road.
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Hopefully you’re right and I’m another that agrees with his comments.NewClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:45 pmhttps://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/b ... 04075.html
Brilliant interview. Doesn’t sound to me like he’s looking to leave, more asking the club to stretch itself to find the next level. Agree with him 100%.
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How does that investment look? If 'better' players are available they will already be on a higher wage than we will pay & if they have 2 years to run on their contract, they're likely- in the current economic climate, to sit tight on their higher wage & run said contract down, a la Hendrick, then can pick the best offer in , probably better economic times.
Or do you think they'll leave their current club to come to a more economically stable club on £20,000 a week less?
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I’m not sure that’s true (that other players earn much more than Burnley pay)... assuming you believe what you read on the web, and using the players mentioned on the “I think we should buy this player” thread, Cantwell is on £1.5kpw, Buendia on £8k, Brooks 25k, McGinn £25k... even Grealish is on £35k. Who’s Villa’s top earner? Heaton... most likely because they had to make him so for him to leave us.rob63 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:32 pmHow does that investment look? If 'better' players are available they will already be on a higher wage than we will pay & if they have 2 years to run on their contract, they're likely- in the current economic climate, to sit tight on their higher wage & run said contract down, a la Hendrick, then can pick the best offer in , probably better economic times.
Or do you think they'll leave their current club to come to a more economically stable club on £20,000 a week less?
In Hendrick (£35k), Lennon (£35k) and Hart (£45k), we’ve just got rid of £115k pw of wages. Assuming Gibson (£40k) goes, £155k. We could offer any of those players above massive increases.
The issue is that other clubs that spend more will be prepared to gazump us, and we don’t want to create disharmony. If they’re good, they’ll have you optionality for sure, but one thing we do have is a good group/manager - for a young player that should count for something alongside a decent pay rise, or course.
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SD has obviously been (is) a great manager for Burnley but I am getting fed up with his bleating in the public forum about finances. He wants the best for the club but he is not the owner of it or the Chairman who has a lot more to think about than who to sign next.
It is not true either that SD has been in some way let down by the Chairman. Burnley have spent quite a lot on players , not always successfully. Woods, Vydra, Gibson, Hendrick, and others, have not come cheap. How many long term Burnely fans like me ever envisaged a time that we would bid £20 million for a player (who chose not to come ,) or sign someone like Woods.
Chairmen have different priorities to Managers.
Burnley have been good to SD and his staff. He was supported after a relegation. He must be a millionaire by now. He has had backing from the Board on numerous occasions. He needs to show some loyalty instead of moaning in public.
It is not true either that SD has been in some way let down by the Chairman. Burnley have spent quite a lot on players , not always successfully. Woods, Vydra, Gibson, Hendrick, and others, have not come cheap. How many long term Burnely fans like me ever envisaged a time that we would bid £20 million for a player (who chose not to come ,) or sign someone like Woods.
Chairmen have different priorities to Managers.
Burnley have been good to SD and his staff. He was supported after a relegation. He must be a millionaire by now. He has had backing from the Board on numerous occasions. He needs to show some loyalty instead of moaning in public.
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A stiff sentence would be Hard on Ron at his age..life sucks at times.huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:45 pmHere you go.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertain ... 269474001/
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Yes, but we're not realistically going to get Cantwell, Buendia or Brooks.......they'll go to Leicester, West Ham or maybe one of the top 6 who DO pay more than us & offer the chance of a trophy.NewClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:33 pmI’m not sure that’s true (that other players earn much more than Burnley pay)... assuming you believe what you read on the web, and using the players mentioned on the “I think we should buy this player” thread, Cantwell is on £1.5kpw, Buendia on £8k, Brooks 25k, McGinn £25k... even Grealish is on £35k. Who’s Villa’s top earner? Heaton... most likely because they had to make him so for him to leave us.
In Hendrick (£35k), Lennon (£35k) and Hart (£45k), we’ve just got rid of £115k pw of wages. Assuming Gibson (£40k) goes, £155k. We could offer any of those players above massive increases.
The issue is that other clubs that spend more will be prepared to gazump us, and we don’t want to create disharmony. If they’re good, they’ll have you optionality for sure, but one thing we do have is a good group/manager - for a young player that should count for something alongside a decent pay rise, or course.
McGinn we might get but even Man U were looking at him earlier in the season. If we're not careful we'll spend all our time looking at unrealistic targets & miss out on the ones we can achieve & we'll end up with the 29 year old journeymen again.
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All these articles are derived from what he said in the Press conference - and those statements are in response to questions received, plus it is always interesting to see him as he answers the questions - here is that press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z7AXcJc1aI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z7AXcJc1aI
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Well, I do agree re: Cantwell. He looks like he’ll go right to the top. My point about him was more that our wage structure would provide him with a very good pay rise.rob63 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:50 amYes, but we're not realistically going to get Cantwell, Buendia or Brooks.......they'll go to Leicester, West Ham or maybe one of the top 6 who DO pay more than us & offer the chance of a trophy.
McGinn we might get but even Man U were looking at him earlier in the season. If we're not careful we'll spend all our time looking at unrealistic targets & miss out on the ones we can achieve & we'll end up with the 29 year old journeymen again.
Brooks is from the North West, could want to return to his roots and live in the Footballer belt if Bournemouth go down.
Buendia was signed on a free (I think?) and his prior career had been one of loans from Getafe. You’d think in such circumstances he’d want to play for a team where he’d be guaranteed games.
West Ham may be relegated, but assuming they’re not, have the disadvantage of Moyes. I’d fancy Sean convincing a player to join him over Moyes. They also have a hefty wage bill as it stands, so I’d imagine they will have to reduce that before adding, given the lower revenue base next year. Leicester I agree on, but have a pretty decent midfielders already in Maddison, Ndidi and Barnes.
In general, I agree all the players mentioned could play at a ‘bigger’ club than Burnley, but not that they’re entirely unrealistic or unthinkable signings because, if I were one of those players, I’d look at the bigger picture. I’d look at it from the perspective of which club gives me the best chance to properly develop my career? I’d look at the ages of Westwood and Cork in terms of my liklihood to break in to and stay in the team, the quality of the manager, the stability of the club, the general team spirit/togetherness. If I could get those things and a very good pay rise to boot, which I’ve shown we could offer, I’d go for that over out-and-out highest salary. That does depend on them also being well advised, as Dwight seems to be.
European football would help too!
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Neighbour just dropped Sunday paper to me, a big write up about Sean...big pay out if sacked and double that if hes poached. Mote interestingly suggests his beef is not with MG but with Rigg, and that MG is trying to be the mediator. Sean not happy with the power Rigg has and the little return he is bringing to the table...Re securing targets.
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I just can’t see that somehow. Dyche is the main man. Why would Rigg have more influence than SD? I’d imagine rigg and Dyche both equally frustrated that they find their targets but time and again turned down by MG due to wage demands etc. Things should open up post season with financial struggles for all championship teamsewanrob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:12 pmNeighbour just dropped Sunday paper to me, a big write up about Sean...big pay out if sacked and double that if hes poached. Mote interestingly suggests his beef is not with MG but with Rigg, and that MG is trying to be the mediator. Sean not happy with the power Rigg has and the little return he is bringing to the table...Re securing targets.
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What paper was that mate?ewanrob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:12 pmNeighbour just dropped Sunday paper to me, a big write up about Sean...big pay out if sacked and double that if hes poached. Mote interestingly suggests his beef is not with MG but with Rigg, and that MG is trying to be the mediator. Sean not happy with the power Rigg has and the little return he is bringing to the table...Re securing targets.
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What has Rigg ever achieved. Can anyone tell me. SD's credentials are there for everyone to see-ask any neutral football fan. Hopefully MG will know whats best for BFC and act accordingly
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Don’t know where you have read that but that is what I’m being told to a large extent with Garlick backing Rigg.ewanrob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:12 pmNeighbour just dropped Sunday paper to me, a big write up about Sean...big pay out if sacked and double that if hes poached. Mote interestingly suggests his beef is not with MG but with Rigg, and that MG is trying to be the mediator. Sean not happy with the power Rigg has and the little return he is bringing to the table...Re securing targets.
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Strange that SD was saying yesterday that our European network has improved and there are bargains to be had. We’ll know by the end of the window.
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If Mike knows what’s best for him he’ll back the manager and remove Rigg if necessary. One is significantly more important to the club than the other...
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Definitely especially as one seems to have contributed next to nothing in his time here! Of course he may prove us all wrong over the summer....Hibsclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:14 pmIf Mike knows what’s best for him he’ll back the manager and remove Rigg if necessary. One is significantly more important to the club than the other...
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It’s not the cheapest option to back Rigg. It’s the opposite as you’ll lose the thing that has brought in the 500m. It’s by far the more expensive option to back Rigg.
I have just re watched the initial interview with Rigg when he explained his role. He said the first and last decision regarding players is Sean’s. If this is the case and what Sean has said is true about us dragging our feet then it is clear that either Rigg, Garlick or both have made mistakes and not followed through Sean’s decisions.
I have just re watched the initial interview with Rigg when he explained his role. He said the first and last decision regarding players is Sean’s. If this is the case and what Sean has said is true about us dragging our feet then it is clear that either Rigg, Garlick or both have made mistakes and not followed through Sean’s decisions.
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Find the whole Dyche/Rigg stories so strange.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:09 pmDon’t know where you have read that but that is what I’m being told to a large extent with Garlick backing Rigg.
I never paid any attention when he was recruited. To me, someone at that level is just a member of the back room staff, there to help the manager, so a bit irrelevant.
Others have posted that he’s stabbed previous managers in the back. The whole Hughes link seemed odd. You’re hearing it and now this. If the papers are writing it, they’re getting it from somewhere.
That said, what I can’t understand is why on earth MG would take Rigg’s word over Dyche - someone that works with players day in, day out, and has to build a team that gel together, not just pick out talented individuals? It makes no sense. Secondly, Dyche seemed to speak quite positively about Rigg’s contribution building our awareness of European players recently - can’t imagine him doing that if he held a grudge with someone (he’s not shy at making a point)?
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Would be absolutely bizarre for Garlick to back Rigg over Dyche.
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Backing Rigg over Dyche would be the worst decision since we though Laws was the answer.
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Strange how we seem to have been able to attract and sign new players easier before Rigg joined us. Which ones has he managed to get over the line??,
This should be his specialiased area
Garlick must appreciate good Technical Directors are easier to recruit than managers of the calibre of SD
This should be his specialiased area
Garlick must appreciate good Technical Directors are easier to recruit than managers of the calibre of SD
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It’s a very strange set up at Burnley with both Rigg & Dyche reporting to the chairman. I’m not sure just how it works.
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I've already forgotten what Rigg's job-title is.
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SD's performance is there for all to see...Rigg's ? Not so obvious..
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Exactly, seems very surrealrandomclaret2 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:06 pmSD's performance is there for all to see...Rigg's ? Not so obvious..
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There is room for a head of recruitment at BFC ( due to what has been discussed on other threads) but if he is rubbing Dyche up the wrong way then I can’t see how his position is tenable, need to get someone in that knows his onions and can work with the manager. I don’t know any major players Rigg has signed in his tenures elsewhere but he must be taking credit for some good ones to be ending up at the turf.
Did he sign ageuro at city?
Did he sign ageuro at city?
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That’s going to cause conflict straight away, Rigg should be underneath Dyche in the hierachy surely?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:57 pmIt’s a very strange set up at Burnley with both Rigg & Dyche reporting to the chairman. I’m not sure just how it works.
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Yes, you'd think he'd report to the manager.Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:40 pmThat’s going to cause conflict straight away, Rigg should be underneath Dyche in the hierachy surely?
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As well as the article already mentioned the People has a piece about tomorrow's game and he talks about the inevitability of us having to sell McNeil in the future. "There comes a time when players will leave Burnley because we can only go so far, and the club only chooses to go so far..". Another dig there maybe.
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It’s not the first time he’s said that and it is an honest assessment. We are lucky to have Dwight for as long as it lasts but he is destined for bigger things.redwasp wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:58 pmAs well as the article already mentioned the People has a piece about tomorrow's game and he talks about the inevitability of us having to sell McNeil in the future. "There comes a time when players will leave Burnley because we can only go so far, and the club only chooses to go so far..". Another dig there maybe.
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Teams that play good football don't fight relegation. The only time I have seen villa play well this season was at the Turf against a very poor Burnley sidehuw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:13 pmI’d suggest not, Smith has them playing good football. They lack a top goalscorer and like most teams that don’t score many they seem to concede one soft goal. I think they’ll give him some more dosh to try and solve his problem.
Villa look exactly what they are a side thrown together and heading back to the Championship where they deserve to be