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Re: SD

Post by Zlatan » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:47 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:11 am
Which was paid for by previous profits on player sales and premier league money earned by the manager and players he signed


Just saying
I didn’t say his previous player development was bad and it has been excellent, however I did say “the last time...” that’s what I believe is the problem here. Part of the issue must be related to the car crash that was the Ben Gibson signing. Not for one minute am I laying blame at anyone’s door, but with our finances being tight, we can’t afford wastes like that.

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Re: SD

Post by jtv » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:04 pm

You can add the Drunkwater fiasco to that

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Re: SD

Post by rob63 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:32 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:45 pm
https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/b ... 04075.html

Brilliant interview. Doesn’t sound to me like he’s looking to leave, more asking the club to stretch itself to find the next level. Agree with him 100%.
But in the current uncertain economic climate it's the wrong time to ask the board to stretch itself. He's missed his timing by at least 6 months.
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Re: SD

Post by houseboy » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:02 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:57 am
There will be a career vacancy there if Ron Jeremy goes down. Oops! Sorry, goes to gaol for his alleged offences.
I’ve missed that one...what’s old Ron been up to...I’m guessing maybe something under age years ago?

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Re: SD

Post by Guller Bull » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:13 pm

I love the way that Sean Dyche is able to read the press. Never flustered and always ready for the "tough question" that the interviewer is waiting to field. He can flip from self deprecating to answering questions about racism, board unrest, tactics and players options in a heartbeat.

We all know that we really don't know what goes on in personal discussions behind the scenes but he gives off an aura of being truthful/honest about what is the reality without divulging the petty.

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Re: SD

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:45 pm

houseboy wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:02 pm
I’ve missed that one...what’s old Ron been up to...I’m guessing maybe something under age years ago?
Here you go.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertain ... 269474001/

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Re: SD

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:46 pm

joey13 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:33 pm
In what way does Smith have Villa playing good football?
Horses for courses. I find them easy on the eye, with no cutting edge.

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Re: SD

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:15 pm

rob63 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:32 pm
But in the current uncertain economic climate it's the wrong time to ask the board to stretch itself. He's missed his timing by at least 6 months.
But the economic climate is the same for everyone, and arguably others will be worse impacted - those with greater loss of Matchday revenue, debt to service. Now is the time to invest and take advantage of being in sound financial health.

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Re: SD

Post by joey13 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:15 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:46 pm
Horses for courses. I find them easy on the eye, with no cutting edge.
I see plenty of donkeys :)
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Re: SD

Post by Claret Toni » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:32 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:46 pm
Horses for courses. I find them easy on the eye, with no cutting edge.
Too much equine interest here; looks like you've paying too much attention to our "friends" down the road. ;)

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Re: SD

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:37 pm

Claret Toni wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:32 pm
Too much equine interest here; looks like you've paying too much attention to our "friends" down the road. ;)
You’re right. I had a pony on Wigan for 2-0.

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Re: SD

Post by DCWat » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:53 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:45 pm
https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/b ... 04075.html

Brilliant interview. Doesn’t sound to me like he’s looking to leave, more asking the club to stretch itself to find the next level. Agree with him 100%.
Hopefully you’re right and I’m another that agrees with his comments.

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Re: SD

Post by rob63 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:32 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:15 pm
But the economic climate is the same for everyone, and arguably others will be worse impacted - those with greater loss of Matchday revenue, debt to service. Now is the time to invest and take advantage of being in sound financial health.
How does that investment look? If 'better' players are available they will already be on a higher wage than we will pay & if they have 2 years to run on their contract, they're likely- in the current economic climate, to sit tight on their higher wage & run said contract down, a la Hendrick, then can pick the best offer in , probably better economic times.

Or do you think they'll leave their current club to come to a more economically stable club on £20,000 a week less?

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Re: SD

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:33 pm

rob63 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:32 pm
How does that investment look? If 'better' players are available they will already be on a higher wage than we will pay & if they have 2 years to run on their contract, they're likely- in the current economic climate, to sit tight on their higher wage & run said contract down, a la Hendrick, then can pick the best offer in , probably better economic times.

Or do you think they'll leave their current club to come to a more economically stable club on £20,000 a week less?
I’m not sure that’s true (that other players earn much more than Burnley pay)... assuming you believe what you read on the web, and using the players mentioned on the “I think we should buy this player” thread, Cantwell is on £1.5kpw, Buendia on £8k, Brooks 25k, McGinn £25k... even Grealish is on £35k. Who’s Villa’s top earner? Heaton... most likely because they had to make him so for him to leave us.

In Hendrick (£35k), Lennon (£35k) and Hart (£45k), we’ve just got rid of £115k pw of wages. Assuming Gibson (£40k) goes, £155k. We could offer any of those players above massive increases.

The issue is that other clubs that spend more will be prepared to gazump us, and we don’t want to create disharmony. If they’re good, they’ll have you optionality for sure, but one thing we do have is a good group/manager - for a young player that should count for something alongside a decent pay rise, or course.

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Re: SD

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:57 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:15 am
Palace must be the worst ground in the PL to get to from the north.
And the west and south.

Not tested east!

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Re: SD

Post by claret59 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:28 pm

SD has obviously been (is) a great manager for Burnley but I am getting fed up with his bleating in the public forum about finances. He wants the best for the club but he is not the owner of it or the Chairman who has a lot more to think about than who to sign next.
It is not true either that SD has been in some way let down by the Chairman. Burnley have spent quite a lot on players , not always successfully. Woods, Vydra, Gibson, Hendrick, and others, have not come cheap. How many long term Burnely fans like me ever envisaged a time that we would bid £20 million for a player (who chose not to come ,) or sign someone like Woods.
Chairmen have different priorities to Managers.
Burnley have been good to SD and his staff. He was supported after a relegation. He must be a millionaire by now. He has had backing from the Board on numerous occasions. He needs to show some loyalty instead of moaning in public.
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Re: SD

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:41 pm

A stiff sentence would be Hard on Ron at his age..life sucks at times. :roll:
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Re: SD

Post by rob63 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:50 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:33 pm
I’m not sure that’s true (that other players earn much more than Burnley pay)... assuming you believe what you read on the web, and using the players mentioned on the “I think we should buy this player” thread, Cantwell is on £1.5kpw, Buendia on £8k, Brooks 25k, McGinn £25k... even Grealish is on £35k. Who’s Villa’s top earner? Heaton... most likely because they had to make him so for him to leave us.

In Hendrick (£35k), Lennon (£35k) and Hart (£45k), we’ve just got rid of £115k pw of wages. Assuming Gibson (£40k) goes, £155k. We could offer any of those players above massive increases.

The issue is that other clubs that spend more will be prepared to gazump us, and we don’t want to create disharmony. If they’re good, they’ll have you optionality for sure, but one thing we do have is a good group/manager - for a young player that should count for something alongside a decent pay rise, or course.
Yes, but we're not realistically going to get Cantwell, Buendia or Brooks.......they'll go to Leicester, West Ham or maybe one of the top 6 who DO pay more than us & offer the chance of a trophy.

McGinn we might get but even Man U were looking at him earlier in the season. If we're not careful we'll spend all our time looking at unrealistic targets & miss out on the ones we can achieve & we'll end up with the 29 year old journeymen again.

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Re: SD

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:58 am

All these articles are derived from what he said in the Press conference - and those statements are in response to questions received, plus it is always interesting to see him as he answers the questions - here is that press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z7AXcJc1aI
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Re: SD

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:49 am

rob63 wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:50 am
Yes, but we're not realistically going to get Cantwell, Buendia or Brooks.......they'll go to Leicester, West Ham or maybe one of the top 6 who DO pay more than us & offer the chance of a trophy.

McGinn we might get but even Man U were looking at him earlier in the season. If we're not careful we'll spend all our time looking at unrealistic targets & miss out on the ones we can achieve & we'll end up with the 29 year old journeymen again.
Well, I do agree re: Cantwell. He looks like he’ll go right to the top. My point about him was more that our wage structure would provide him with a very good pay rise.

Brooks is from the North West, could want to return to his roots and live in the Footballer belt if Bournemouth go down.

Buendia was signed on a free (I think?) and his prior career had been one of loans from Getafe. You’d think in such circumstances he’d want to play for a team where he’d be guaranteed games.

West Ham may be relegated, but assuming they’re not, have the disadvantage of Moyes. I’d fancy Sean convincing a player to join him over Moyes. They also have a hefty wage bill as it stands, so I’d imagine they will have to reduce that before adding, given the lower revenue base next year. Leicester I agree on, but have a pretty decent midfielders already in Maddison, Ndidi and Barnes.

In general, I agree all the players mentioned could play at a ‘bigger’ club than Burnley, but not that they’re entirely unrealistic or unthinkable signings because, if I were one of those players, I’d look at the bigger picture. I’d look at it from the perspective of which club gives me the best chance to properly develop my career? I’d look at the ages of Westwood and Cork in terms of my liklihood to break in to and stay in the team, the quality of the manager, the stability of the club, the general team spirit/togetherness. If I could get those things and a very good pay rise to boot, which I’ve shown we could offer, I’d go for that over out-and-out highest salary. That does depend on them also being well advised, as Dwight seems to be.

European football would help too!

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Re: SD

Post by ewanrob » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:12 pm

Neighbour just dropped Sunday paper to me, a big write up about Sean...big pay out if sacked and double that if hes poached. Mote interestingly suggests his beef is not with MG but with Rigg, and that MG is trying to be the mediator. Sean not happy with the power Rigg has and the little return he is bringing to the table...Re securing targets.

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Re: SD

Post by Marney&Mee » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:22 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:12 pm
Neighbour just dropped Sunday paper to me, a big write up about Sean...big pay out if sacked and double that if hes poached. Mote interestingly suggests his beef is not with MG but with Rigg, and that MG is trying to be the mediator. Sean not happy with the power Rigg has and the little return he is bringing to the table...Re securing targets.
I just can’t see that somehow. Dyche is the main man. Why would Rigg have more influence than SD? I’d imagine rigg and Dyche both equally frustrated that they find their targets but time and again turned down by MG due to wage demands etc. Things should open up post season with financial struggles for all championship teams

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Re: SD

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:22 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:12 pm
Neighbour just dropped Sunday paper to me, a big write up about Sean...big pay out if sacked and double that if hes poached. Mote interestingly suggests his beef is not with MG but with Rigg, and that MG is trying to be the mediator. Sean not happy with the power Rigg has and the little return he is bringing to the table...Re securing targets.
What paper was that mate?

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Re: SD

Post by warksclaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:25 pm

What has Rigg ever achieved. Can anyone tell me. SD's credentials are there for everyone to see-ask any neutral football fan. Hopefully MG will know whats best for BFC and act accordingly

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Re: SD

Post by ewanrob » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:43 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:22 pm
What paper was that mate?
Sunday Daily Star, not my sort of paper...but old lad next door knows I'm keen on footy so shoves it thru most days.

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Re: SD

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:09 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:12 pm
Neighbour just dropped Sunday paper to me, a big write up about Sean...big pay out if sacked and double that if hes poached. Mote interestingly suggests his beef is not with MG but with Rigg, and that MG is trying to be the mediator. Sean not happy with the power Rigg has and the little return he is bringing to the table...Re securing targets.
Don’t know where you have read that but that is what I’m being told to a large extent with Garlick backing Rigg.

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Re: SD

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:13 pm

Strange that SD was saying yesterday that our European network has improved and there are bargains to be had. We’ll know by the end of the window.

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Re: SD

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:14 pm

If Mike knows what’s best for him he’ll back the manager and remove Rigg if necessary. One is significantly more important to the club than the other...

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Re: SD

Post by ewanrob » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:17 pm

And he would back Rigg because it's the cheapest option I would assume...a bit of a kick in the nuts to a man that has pretty much played a massive part in putting 500 million into your club.

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Re: SD

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:19 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:14 pm
If Mike knows what’s best for him he’ll back the manager and remove Rigg if necessary. One is significantly more important to the club than the other...
Definitely especially as one seems to have contributed next to nothing in his time here! Of course he may prove us all wrong over the summer....

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Re: SD

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:20 pm

It’s not the cheapest option to back Rigg. It’s the opposite as you’ll lose the thing that has brought in the 500m. It’s by far the more expensive option to back Rigg.

I have just re watched the initial interview with Rigg when he explained his role. He said the first and last decision regarding players is Sean’s. If this is the case and what Sean has said is true about us dragging our feet then it is clear that either Rigg, Garlick or both have made mistakes and not followed through Sean’s decisions.
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Re: SD

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:09 pm
Don’t know where you have read that but that is what I’m being told to a large extent with Garlick backing Rigg.
Find the whole Dyche/Rigg stories so strange.

I never paid any attention when he was recruited. To me, someone at that level is just a member of the back room staff, there to help the manager, so a bit irrelevant.

Others have posted that he’s stabbed previous managers in the back. The whole Hughes link seemed odd. You’re hearing it and now this. If the papers are writing it, they’re getting it from somewhere.

That said, what I can’t understand is why on earth MG would take Rigg’s word over Dyche - someone that works with players day in, day out, and has to build a team that gel together, not just pick out talented individuals? It makes no sense. Secondly, Dyche seemed to speak quite positively about Rigg’s contribution building our awareness of European players recently - can’t imagine him doing that if he held a grudge with someone (he’s not shy at making a point)?

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Re: SD

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:27 pm

Would be absolutely bizarre for Garlick to back Rigg over Dyche.

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Re: SD

Post by ksrclaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:32 pm

Just get shut of Rigg. He seems mostly useless anyway and there is nothing in his career history that contradicts that.
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Re: SD

Post by Leisure » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:37 pm

joey13 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:15 pm
I see plenty of donkeys :)
Agree. Think Grealish is the only player who would get into our team.

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Re: SD

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:43 pm

Backing Rigg over Dyche would be the worst decision since we though Laws was the answer.
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Re: SD

Post by warksclaret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:54 pm

Strange how we seem to have been able to attract and sign new players easier before Rigg joined us. Which ones has he managed to get over the line??,
This should be his specialiased area

Garlick must appreciate good Technical Directors are easier to recruit than managers of the calibre of SD
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Re: SD

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:57 pm

It’s a very strange set up at Burnley with both Rigg & Dyche reporting to the chairman. I’m not sure just how it works.

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Re: SD

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:05 pm

I've already forgotten what Rigg's job-title is.

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Re: SD

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:06 pm

SD's performance is there for all to see...Rigg's ? Not so obvious..

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Re: SD

Post by JohnDearyMe » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:09 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:06 pm
SD's performance is there for all to see...Rigg's ? Not so obvious..
Exactly, seems very surreal

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Re: SD

Post by tim_noone » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:14 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:05 pm
I've already forgotten what Rigg's job-title is.
He should stick to running his fcuk ing garden centre!!! :roll:
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Re: SD

Post by Zlatan » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:25 pm

SD knows football, the 2 Mikes “know” recruitment (allegedly) if there is friction between the 3 I can see why it may seem like the 2 Mikes may appear to get along and SD would feel annoyed.

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Re: SD

Post by bfcjg » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:29 pm

Dyche is doing the business,what exactly is Rigg doing ? In my opinion it's an emperors new coat job, like a director of football.

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Re: SD

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:37 pm

There is room for a head of recruitment at BFC ( due to what has been discussed on other threads) but if he is rubbing Dyche up the wrong way then I can’t see how his position is tenable, need to get someone in that knows his onions and can work with the manager. I don’t know any major players Rigg has signed in his tenures elsewhere but he must be taking credit for some good ones to be ending up at the turf.

Did he sign ageuro at city?

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Re: SD

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:57 pm
It’s a very strange set up at Burnley with both Rigg & Dyche reporting to the chairman. I’m not sure just how it works.
That’s going to cause conflict straight away, Rigg should be underneath Dyche in the hierachy surely?
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Re: SD

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:41 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:40 pm
That’s going to cause conflict straight away, Rigg should be underneath Dyche in the hierachy surely?
Yes, you'd think he'd report to the manager.

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Re: SD

Post by redwasp » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:58 pm

As well as the article already mentioned the People has a piece about tomorrow's game and he talks about the inevitability of us having to sell McNeil in the future. "There comes a time when players will leave Burnley because we can only go so far, and the club only chooses to go so far..". Another dig there maybe.

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Re: SD

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:06 pm

redwasp wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:58 pm
As well as the article already mentioned the People has a piece about tomorrow's game and he talks about the inevitability of us having to sell McNeil in the future. "There comes a time when players will leave Burnley because we can only go so far, and the club only chooses to go so far..". Another dig there maybe.
It’s not the first time he’s said that and it is an honest assessment. We are lucky to have Dwight for as long as it lasts but he is destined for bigger things.

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Re: SD

Post by Top Claret » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:07 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:13 pm
I’d suggest not, Smith has them playing good football. They lack a top goalscorer and like most teams that don’t score many they seem to concede one soft goal. I think they’ll give him some more dosh to try and solve his problem.
Teams that play good football don't fight relegation. The only time I have seen villa play well this season was at the Turf against a very poor Burnley side

Villa look exactly what they are a side thrown together and heading back to the Championship where they deserve to be

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