Agree every time I’ve seen them they are bloody awful not sure about the supposed good football they play. Worst defeat of the season on New Years Day alongside the away day at Sheffield United.Top Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:07 pmTeams that play good football don't fight relegation. The only time I have seen villa play well this season was at the Turf against a very poor Burnley side
Villa look exactly what they are a side thrown together and heading back to the Championship where they deserve to be
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And then only for half a game. We should have turned it round in the second halfTop Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:07 pmThe only time I have seen villa play well this season was at the Turf against a very poor Burnley side
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Think you might be making two big assumptions there, firstly that footballers look at more than their weekly wage level & secondly, that they will be well advised lol. Not every player has the advantage of 2 sensible & well-adjusted parents like Dwight, especially a father with football league experienceNewClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:49 amWell, I do agree re: Cantwell. He looks like he’ll go right to the top. My point about him was more that our wage structure would provide him with a very good pay rise.
Brooks is from the North West, could want to return to his roots and live in the Footballer belt if Bournemouth go down.
Buendia was signed on a free (I think?) and his prior career had been one of loans from Getafe. You’d think in such circumstances he’d want to play for a team where he’d be guaranteed games.
West Ham may be relegated, but assuming they’re not, have the disadvantage of Moyes. I’d fancy Sean convincing a player to join him over Moyes. They also have a hefty wage bill as it stands, so I’d imagine they will have to reduce that before adding, given the lower revenue base next year. Leicester I agree on, but have a pretty decent midfielders already in Maddison, Ndidi and Barnes.
In general, I agree all the players mentioned could play at a ‘bigger’ club than Burnley, but not that they’re entirely unrealistic or unthinkable signings because, if I were one of those players, I’d look at the bigger picture. I’d look at it from the perspective of which club gives me the best chance to properly develop my career? I’d look at the ages of Westwood and Cork in terms of my liklihood to break in to and stay in the team, the quality of the manager, the stability of the club, the general team spirit/togetherness. If I could get those things and a very good pay rise to boot, which I’ve shown we could offer, I’d go for that over out-and-out highest salary. That does depend on them also being well advised, as Dwight seems to be.
European football would help too!
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We had about 20 shots in that game, should have won easily despite being pretty rubbish ourselves.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:38 pmAnd then only for half a game. We should have turned it round in the second half
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It'd be better management if Rigg & Dyche discussed things with their staff before taking a selection of targets to Garlick together. if they meet him separately there's always going to be a misunderstanding about what has been said.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:57 pmIt’s a very strange set up at Burnley with both Rigg & Dyche reporting to the chairman. I’m not sure just how it works.
You don't have a policy/sales meeting & only invite one policy maker/sales person at once otherwise you get people pulling in different directions.
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I wouldn’t imagine it works like that, I just said that they both report to the chairman.rob63 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:15 pmIt'd be better management if Rigg & Dyche discussed things with their staff before taking a selection of targets to Garlick together. if they meet him separately there's always going to be a misunderstanding about what has been said.
You don't have a policy/sales meeting & only invite one policy maker/sales person at once otherwise you get people pulling in different directions.
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Depends. Perhaps Rigg is the one touting for younger players with a sale on value and Dyche sticking for end-of-the-career tried and trusted pros. IF that is the case MG is right to give more credence to Rigg, notwithstanding the great work done by SD over the past seven and a half years.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:27 pmWould be absolutely bizarre for Garlick to back Rigg over Dyche.
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Think I’d back the bloke who has given us two promotions, a title, top flight football and a European campaign over the bloke who has drifted round clubs supposedly advising on transfers.jtv wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:23 pmDepends. Perhaps Rigg is the one touting for younger players with a sale on value and Dyche sticking for end-of-the-career tried and trusted pros. IF that is the case MG is right to give more credence to Rigg, notwithstanding the great work done by SD over the past seven and a half years.
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That one still annoys me. Think our players thought Grealish had been awarded Freedom of the Turf that day. He’s a great player, but we made him look like the second coming of Messi.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:38 pmAnd then only for half a game. We should have turned it round in the second half
Should have salvaged at least a draw and maybe all three points second half though.
That and the last minute Wolves Pen still annoy me.
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That pen is seriously annoying at Wolves because it should have been overturnedNewClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:30 pmThat one still annoys me. Think our players thought Grealish had been awarded Freedom of the Turf that day. He’s a great player, but we made him look like the second coming of Messi.
Should have salvaged at least a draw and maybe all three points second half though.
That and the last minute Wolves Pen still annoy me.
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True. And to be honest, if any of those listed are the type of players that are only interested in their wage packet, I’d rather they not come here anyway. There are plenty of others. But I’d like to think some have enough common sense to balance their pay packet with their experience/development.rob63 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:58 pmThink you might be making two big assumptions there, firstly that footballers look at more than their weekly wage level & secondly, that they will be well advised lol. Not every player has the advantage of 2 sensible & well-adjusted parents like Dwight, especially a father with football league experience
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Not if buying end-of-life players is draining the coffers fast. SD was very shrewd in buying assets like Pope, Taylor, Tarks who have a huge sell on value. It is players like these that we should be looking for. However the supply seems to have dried up and over the past couple of seasons only Brownhill seems to fit that mould. Gibson too but things turned sour with him. We do not know who SD wants and who MR wants. So it is very difficult to pick sides. On technical merit alone I would back SD absolutely but MG has to look at the financial angle as well. As Covid has shown us, we cannot have all our eggs in the TV revenue basket - any shortfall in that has to be made up from sales of assets, unless we get a benefactor/investor who can pump in money.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:30 pmThink I’d back the bloke who has given us two promotions, a title, top flight football and a European campaign over the bloke who has drifted round clubs supposedly advising on transfers.
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Never understood the role of a Technical Director as it appears it is just a title for an undefined role.
The Chairman runs the club , the Manager runs the team and feeds into the Chairman , Head of Recruitment runs player recruitment and feeds into the Manager.
So what exactly is the role of a Technical Director ?
The Chairman runs the club , the Manager runs the team and feeds into the Chairman , Head of Recruitment runs player recruitment and feeds into the Manager.
So what exactly is the role of a Technical Director ?
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It's a role related to data analysis I believe. The technical part in the name comes from the responsibility of overseeing the entire recruitment process in terms of software, data analysis and scouting.Andingle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:39 amNever understood the role of a Technical Director as it appears it is just a title for an undefined role.
The Chairman runs the club , the Manager runs the team and feeds into the Chairman , Head of Recruitment runs player recruitment and feeds into the Manager.
So what exactly is the role of a Technical Director ?
Previously the role would have just been Chief scout, but technology has changed a lot opening up a lot of different ways to assess candidates and compare them to our existing players data. Someone also has to decide at what point we consider the data good enough to actually properly scout a player.
This day an age there are even agencies that will approach the club with potential candidates with their own data, someone has to be able to determine whether they fit into what the manager is looking for in a player.
Head of recruitment is a role that oversees all recruitment not just players, but staff too including youth intakes.
Well that's how I've always seen it. I could be wrong.
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You seriously think he can improve on qualifying for Europe? Hope your right but hard to imagineAndrewJB wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:14 amI’ve always thought he’d go to a club on the continent. I think his methods would reap rewards just about anywhere, and I think success there would give him the experience to return to the U.K. at a big club.
I hope he stays with us because I think his project here has more success in store.
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The Ally article from Talksport is a week old news
Sean is too professional to throw the towel in, but for me this is a clear signal that if the right post came up, he would leave and its only a matter of time. Forget any contract extensions now unless a certain body leaves. Maybe one of the promoted teams, Palace or even Leicester in time will get him. We have been dam lucky to have held on to him-in his stage of his career he does not need all this penny pinching and politics. Hes kept us in the PL for 5 years if you count next year-a net spend averaging £9m each year is abolutely unbelievable. (What have Villa, Brighton and a few others spent ?)He now deserves better.Sadly the backroom staff will exit with him
Sean is too professional to throw the towel in, but for me this is a clear signal that if the right post came up, he would leave and its only a matter of time. Forget any contract extensions now unless a certain body leaves. Maybe one of the promoted teams, Palace or even Leicester in time will get him. We have been dam lucky to have held on to him-in his stage of his career he does not need all this penny pinching and politics. Hes kept us in the PL for 5 years if you count next year-a net spend averaging £9m each year is abolutely unbelievable. (What have Villa, Brighton and a few others spent ?)He now deserves better.Sadly the backroom staff will exit with him
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First time I’d seen the article but agree he deserves better than Newcastle or Palace.warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:49 pmThe Ally article from Talksport is a week old news
Sean is too professional to throw the towel in, but for me this is a clear signal that if the right post came up, he would leave and its only a matter of time. Forget any contract extensions now unless a certain body leaves. Maybe one of the promoted teams, Palace or even Leicester in time will get him. We have been dam lucky to have held on to him-in his stage of his career he does not need all this penny pinching and politics. Hes kept us in the PL for 5 years if you count next year-a net spend averaging £9m each year is abolutely unbelievable. (What have Villa, Brighton and a few others spent ?)He now deserves better.Sadly the backroom staff will exit with him
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The maximum we could have spent would be an average net spend of £15m per year. Any more than that and we would be in debt.warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:49 pmThe Ally article from Talksport is a week old news
Sean is too professional to throw the towel in, but for me this is a clear signal that if the right post came up, he would leave and its only a matter of time. Forget any contract extensions now unless a certain body leaves. Maybe one of the promoted teams, Palace or even Leicester in time will get him. We have been dam lucky to have held on to him-in his stage of his career he does not need all this penny pinching and politics. Hes kept us in the PL for 5 years if you count next year-a net spend averaging £9m each year is abolutely unbelievable. (What have Villa, Brighton and a few others spent ?)He now deserves better.Sadly the backroom staff will exit with him
In round numbers, we have taken in income of £700m and spent £660m during Sean Dyche's tenure; leaving £40m in the bank. The question is, how much more should we have spent in an ideal world?
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He's in effect the head of recruitment right across the clubAndingle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:39 amNever understood the role of a Technical Director as it appears it is just a title for an undefined role.
The Chairman runs the club , the Manager runs the team and feeds into the Chairman , Head of Recruitment runs player recruitment and feeds into the Manager.
So what exactly is the role of a Technical Director ?
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I got shouted down last week for daring to suggest that the reports of a rift with the chairman was genuine - unless something changes drastically, and I don't think it will, I can't see Sean being here much longer.warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:49 pm
Sean is too professional to throw the towel in, but for me this is a clear signal that if the right post came up, he would leave and its only a matter of time.
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Which, I assume, would include the manager?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:06 pmHe's in effect the head of recruitment right across the club
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At most clubs you would say yes, but at most clubs you don't have both the technical director and manager reporting to the chairman. Seems the chairman does everything at the club now so I suspect he'll lead any recruitment of a manager.
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DSR-fine margins but unlike a lot of other clubs, we are not in debt
I have said in other posts that we are punching well above our weight, and we need to be "smart" in our business approach. Do we have the right people who can maximise our sponsorship opportunities for example. Are we seriously capable of scouting good young potential with a great sell on price. McNeil, Tarks and Pope are great examples but who discovered them ?Who is unearthing the Andy Robertsons of this world. And in view of how tight finances are, who took ownership of Hendricks contract a year ago and considered the selling/replacement decision then. Why were we not signing James Reece of Chelsea 2 years ago on loan-Wigan were. Instead we ran with Lowton & Bardsley (no sell on value).Who is handling the Gibson contract-its been going on for 5 months. Can see him leaving for nothing the way we operate
SD is performing miracles with the team. Others in the club need to performing to his level if a small town club is to have a future in the PL
I have said in other posts that we are punching well above our weight, and we need to be "smart" in our business approach. Do we have the right people who can maximise our sponsorship opportunities for example. Are we seriously capable of scouting good young potential with a great sell on price. McNeil, Tarks and Pope are great examples but who discovered them ?Who is unearthing the Andy Robertsons of this world. And in view of how tight finances are, who took ownership of Hendricks contract a year ago and considered the selling/replacement decision then. Why were we not signing James Reece of Chelsea 2 years ago on loan-Wigan were. Instead we ran with Lowton & Bardsley (no sell on value).Who is handling the Gibson contract-its been going on for 5 months. Can see him leaving for nothing the way we operate
SD is performing miracles with the team. Others in the club need to performing to his level if a small town club is to have a future in the PL
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"Not if buying end-of-life players is draining the coffers fast"
I know SD has been accused of preferring the more senior pros but had no idea things were this bad
I know SD has been accused of preferring the more senior pros but had no idea things were this bad
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Tony, can you make it so that "punching above our weight", or "punching well above our weight" is masked out
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We were within inches of signing Robertson only for Marco Silva to pull the plug. As for Hendrick's contract, that would be Garlick/Rigg I assume, but what do you do in that situation. Players are entitled to run down their contracts and leave for nothing. If Wigan are signing a player on loan, and he doesn't go to any other Premier League club, why have we missed out. As for Gibson, that's a unique situation, and I'm sure he'll be sold before his contract runs out given there's another two years to go.warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:17 pmDSR-fine margins but unlike a lot of other clubs, we are not in debt
I have said in other posts that we are punching well above our weight, and we need to be "smart" in our business approach. Do we have the right people who can maximise our sponsorship opportunities for example. Are we seriously capable of scouting good young potential with a great sell on price. McNeil, Tarks and Pope are great examples but who discovered them ?Who is unearthing the Andy Robertsons of this world. And in view of how tight finances are, who took ownership of Hendricks contract a year ago and considered the selling/replacement decision then. Why were we not signing James Reece of Chelsea 2 years ago on loan-Wigan were. Instead we ran with Lowton & Bardsley (no sell on value).Who is handling the Gibson contract-its been going on for 5 months. Can see him leaving for nothing the way we operate
SD is performing miracles with the team. Others in the club need to performing to his level if a small town club is to have a future in the PL
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Well, this is the most depressing post for a while. Whilst some think CT knows no better than the rest of us, I'm in the camp that thinks he's probably got much more info about stuff regarding what's going on at the club than he is able to share with us.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:09 pmI got shouted down last week for daring to suggest that the reports of a rift with the chairman was genuine - unless something changes drastically, and I don't think it will, I can't see Sean being here much longer.
So, for CT to say such things suggests to me that SD is on his way sooner rather than later and Garlick, if he's any sense, might already be starting to sound out future candidates. (If SD does go my personal preference for a replacement would be Chris Hughton - underrated and undervalued manager in my book).
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More likely to be a manager that most of us have never heard of.Goddy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:24 pmWell, this is the most depressing post for a while. Whilst some think CT knows no better than the rest of us, I'm in the camp that thinks he's probably got much more info about stuff regarding what's going on at the club than he is able to share with us.
So, for CT to say such things suggests to me that SD is on his way sooner rather than later and Garlick, if he's any sense, might already be starting to sound out future candidates. (If SD does go my personal preference for a replacement would be Chris Hughton - underrated and undervalued manager in my book).
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It's not rocket science, he's been having digs at the lack of finance on an almost weekly basis for some considerable time. I think we are very close to the point of no return. I have been hoping not for some time but I fear that his time will be up very soon.Goddy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:24 pmWell, this is the most depressing post for a while. Whilst some think CT knows no better than the rest of us, I'm in the camp that thinks he's probably got much more info about stuff regarding what's going on at the club than he is able to share with us.
So, for CT to say such things suggests to me that SD is on his way sooner rather than later and Garlick, if he's any sense, might already be starting to sound out future candidates. (If SD does go my personal preference for a replacement would be Chris Hughton - underrated and undervalued manager in my book).
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Well he won't resign, unless a club have approached him and offered him the job. So it'll either be a sacking, which I doubt he'll mind as he'll get a payout, or it's until a rival club such as Newcastle/Palace have the vacancy.
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I had hoped that all this unrest was more to put pressure on the Board to release funds for new signings....political shenanigans/posturing, as much as anything.
The inference here is that it's much more serious than that....in fact pretty much terminal as far as SD remaining manager. Sad times, indeed, as far as I'm concerned.
The inference here is that it's much more serious than that....in fact pretty much terminal as far as SD remaining manager. Sad times, indeed, as far as I'm concerned.
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If the Saudi deal goes through the Newcastle owners won't go anywhere near SD. They will want a big name European manager.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:30 pmWell he won't resign, unless a club have approached him and offered him the job. So it'll either be a sacking, which I doubt he'll mind as he'll get a payout, or it's until a rival club such as Newcastle/Palace have the vacancy.
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I think he's done it for 2 reasons. To also keep telling other clubs that he'll do better with them if they have more money to spend. But what will be will be.Goddy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:33 pmI had hoped that all this unrest was more to put pressure on the Board to release funds for new signings....political shenanigans/posturing, as much as anything.
The inference here is that it's much more serious than that....in fact pretty much terminal as far as SD remaining manager. Sad times, indeed, as far as I'm concerned.
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No way in hell we’ll sack him and pay him out.
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For all this talk of a need to keep the club going for future generations, I have felt for years that the main reason for low spending is to maximise the future sale price of the club, and thus the payday for the current shareholders.
That’s entirely legal of course, nor is it necessarily immoral, and it must also be said that the board still felt the training ground was a priority over and above that, so must have some sense of investing for the future.
But I don’t feel my own personal experience has been invested in, in any way (i.e. infrastructure I use). Apart from disabled fans and CFS fans, I bet I’m not alone. Sean seems equally miffed from a manager’s perspective, though given that he receives a nice contract it makes him different from fans who pay in their hard earned cash (that’s why I tire of his moaning).
The only thing I feel sure of is that MG isn’t suddenly going to change his approach, so unless Covid-19 forces all clubs to operate in a similar way, I too can’t see Sean being here much longer, even if the grass is unlikely to be greener elsewhere.
That’s entirely legal of course, nor is it necessarily immoral, and it must also be said that the board still felt the training ground was a priority over and above that, so must have some sense of investing for the future.
But I don’t feel my own personal experience has been invested in, in any way (i.e. infrastructure I use). Apart from disabled fans and CFS fans, I bet I’m not alone. Sean seems equally miffed from a manager’s perspective, though given that he receives a nice contract it makes him different from fans who pay in their hard earned cash (that’s why I tire of his moaning).
The only thing I feel sure of is that MG isn’t suddenly going to change his approach, so unless Covid-19 forces all clubs to operate in a similar way, I too can’t see Sean being here much longer, even if the grass is unlikely to be greener elsewhere.
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Whatever happens we must have a new manager in place immediately Sean goes. The coming window will determine if we are to gave a chance of staying up next season. Dyche will want to take Tarks with him and maybe Ben, Charlie and Wood. Chris Hughton would do for me. It eoukdbeno time to gamble on someone like Joey.
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If he's going to be able to afford those four players, then I presume he's managing either Chelsea or Man City?summitclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:42 pmWhatever happens we must have a new manager in place immediately Sean goes. The coming window will determine if we are to gave a chance of staying up next season. Dyche will want to take Tarks with him and maybe Ben, Charlie and Wood. Chris Hughton would do for me. It eoukdbeno time to gamble on someone like Joey.
Next Manager odds
Reading other posts it seems some are convinced Sean is off. So let's have a look at who is in the running for the job. Be warned some of the names make scary reading.
https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/burnley
https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/burnley
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It might sound stupid but he would probably be best taking the Rangers (Rangers is the better job) or Celtic Jobs If they come available. He can stamp a better style of football on his CV he has a winning mentality to Compete well enough in Europe
Think the next move of his career he will seen as another Big Sam or maybe Brendon Rogers if he moves to a club that can compete to win things
Think the next move of his career he will seen as another Big Sam or maybe Brendon Rogers if he moves to a club that can compete to win things
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I would be devastated if Sean left, and looking at that list of bookie's replacements the only two who seem acceptable are Woan or Barton: the rest of them I would hate to see at Turf Moor.
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They all make scary reading apart from Pochettino and that appointment is unlikely.Longsider wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:45 pmReading other posts it seems some are convinced Sean is off. So let's have a look at who is in the running for the job. Be warned some of the names make scary reading.
https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/burnley
Edited. Got confused with all the rebranding of leagues.
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Re: Next Manager odds
Some of that list makes me feel queasy.Longsider wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:45 pmReading other posts it seems some are convinced Sean is off. So let's have a look at who is in the running for the job. Be warned some of the names make scary reading.
https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/burnley
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Re: Next Manager odds
If I remove any that I wouldn't want managing us, and remove any who wouldn't come to us anyway, as we don't have enough money for them to throw at the wall... there's nobody left.Longsider wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:45 pmReading other posts it seems some are convinced Sean is off. So let's have a look at who is in the running for the job. Be warned some of the names make scary reading.
https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/burnley
Re: SD
Its easy to be depressed by the current situation although we don't know all the detail. But lets as supporters think about finishing this season well. If we can do that maybe it might change things. After thursdays great win we are totally safe. There are six clubs us, Spurs SheffU, Crystal Palace, Everton and Arsenal . Only separated by 4 points and probably two Europa League places at stake. What a great position to be in. Lets celebrate that.
So I,m thinking about Europe again. Wins tonight and against Sheff U would be massive. But we also have a good run in (except for the Liverpool match) Things look good to me.
We're all going on another European Tour should be our song tonight.
So I,m thinking about Europe again. Wins tonight and against Sheff U would be massive. But we also have a good run in (except for the Liverpool match) Things look good to me.
We're all going on another European Tour should be our song tonight.