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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by MACCA » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:25 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:43 pm
So all but two you have listed were signed while Sean Dyche has been manager.
Just went back a few years with those that jumped out on OC promotion season.
Theyll be many more if I delve back the years I've been a supporter hense the many more.

Every signing that flops for one way or another is a big waste of money.

The more recent ones will be the biggest as we are richer so the gambles , fees and wages are far bigger than the 3rd and 4th tier days.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by MACCA » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:28 am

dermotdermot wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:35 am
You can’t make a list like that without including the Duke. Sordell and Hennings were hardly given a chance whereas Jukiewicz had at least half a season to try and hit a barn door. He didn’t even get near.

That's what plus "many more means"
Theyll be loads that cost millions and are bug wastes of cash.

The more recent ones will jump out more as the fees and wages are bigger than say 29 years ago in the 3rd and 4th tier, but I'm sure there were also very costly mistakes then too.

My memory struggles to remember a few weeks back never mind 20-25 years

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:08 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:48 am
Well, you pretty much can factor that in when the player is almost 34 with over 500 appearances on the clock. There's always an increased risk of that happening.

In terms of transfer fee, wages and contribution to the team, I can't see a bigger waste of money than Gibson.
It seems to be a popular theme going after Gibson after what's happened but when all said & done he's still a Burnley player & won't just leave for nothing, if the club manages to recoup the outlay or a large chunk of it, it's still a mistake but not as huge as some people would like to make out, it's possible that Gibson could go in exchange for another player plus maybe a makeweight & actually oddly turn out to be a good bargaining chip if the other exchange player gets on, it's wise to assess Gibson when he finally leaves.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by RammyClaret61 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:31 am

andyh wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:57 am
I can’t believe you’ve put Tommy Hutchinson there. Gerry Gow -yes Hutchinson - no way. He put in a shift in a dreadful side.

Financially has to be Gibson.

In terms of disappointment then Coyle’s three ‘E’s take some beating.

I’d also say Besart Berisha deserves a mention. Never really offered a chance but there was an ok player in there somewhere.
I think you need to re-read what I wrote. I said everyone Bond signed, EXCEPT Tueart & Hutchinson.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Stanbill05 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:47 am

andyh wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:57 am

I’d also say Besart Berisha deserves a mention. Never really offered a chance but there was an ok player in there somewhere.
Weirdly I was looking him up recently, scored a ridiculous amount of goals in Australia apparently.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by andyh » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:47 am

Oops sorry. Tueart was no great shakes for me. And Kevin Reeves was amazing but unlucky.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by andyh » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:50 am

Stanbill05 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:47 am
Weirdly I was looking him up recently, scored a ridiculous amount of goals in Australia apparently.
I believe he is the league’s all time leading scorer. Not great opposition but shows there was something there. I know he had injuries with us but never given a run in the side. Seems like such a waste.
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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by RammyClaret61 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:51 am

andyh wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:47 am
Oops sorry. Tueart was no great shakes for me. And Kevin Reeves was amazing but unlucky.
Whoops. Yes Kevin Reeves, that’s who I was thinking of, not Tueart.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by NottsClaret » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:29 am

Steven Defour is a bizarre choice, like you actually resent seeing our most talented footballer in the last 40 years. If he was 100% fit do you think he'd ever have played for us? The one time he did stay fit for half a season we qualified for Europe. Don't regret a penny of what the club spent on him.

Van Der Schaff, Gibson and Drinkwater are head and shoulders above the rest here. Earned big money and contributed nothing.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 am

Walter's has to be up there, when you factor in the money he'll have been on and the fact that he was never going to have any resale value. The only saving grace is that we only have him a 2 year deal instead of 3.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:29 am

NottsClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:29 am
Steven Defour is a bizarre choice, like you actually resent seeing our most talented footballer in the last 40 years. If he was 100% fit do you think he'd ever have played for us? The one time he did stay fit for half a season we qualified for Europe. Don't regret a penny of what the club spent on him.

Van Der Schaff, Gibson and Drinkwater are head and shoulders above the rest here. Earned big money and contributed nothing.
Defour was worth every penny, even if it was only for THAT free kick at Old Trafford. Class act and still could be. Maybe we could bring him back on some sort of game by game basis?

Biggest waste of money? It has to be Gibson. He's still causing us problems, even though he's no longer here.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:33 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:29 am
Defour was worth every penny, even if it was only for THAT free kick at Old Trafford. Class act and still could be. Maybe we could bring him back on some sort of game by game basis?
Never mind the free kick, which I would place third best of his three goals. The goal against Hull was special, that brilliant turn in the centre circle, run & finish but then was the crowning glory, that wonderful, wonderful finish against Bristol City in the FA Cup.

During the period when the league was shut down, Sky were showing some full games and selected our 3-2 win at Chelsea. How good was Steven Defour that day?

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:36 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:33 am
Never mind the free kick, which I would place third best of his three goals. The goal against Hull was special, that brilliant turn in the centre circle, run & finish but then was the crowning glory, that wonderful, wonderful finish against Bristol City in the FA Cup.

During the period when the league was shut down, Sky were showing some full games and selected our 3-2 win at Chelsea. How good was Steven Defour that day?
I don't disagree with the quality of the goals or the game at Chelsea. He was just a class act, but to score against De Ghea at OT in front of the Stretford end will live long in the memory.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:43 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:36 am
I don't disagree with the quality of the goals or the game at Chelsea. He was just a class act, but to score against De Ghea at OT in front of the Stretford end will live long in the memory.
I don’t dispute it, was brilliant. I suspect we could probably score past the 2020 version of David de Gea though.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:49 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:43 am
I don’t dispute it, was brilliant. I suspect we could probably score past the 2020 version of David de Gea though.
I think I'd score against the 2020 version.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:51 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:49 am
I think I'd score against the 2020 version.
He’s fallen almost as quick as Alan Stevenson did

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:02 pm

Valois?

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:16 pm

Liam Robinson is a tree surgeon now, rather ironic as he didn't exactly pull up trees whilst he was at Burnley ....

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:20 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:16 pm
Liam Robinson is a tree surgeon now, rather ironic as he didn't exactly pull up trees whilst he was at Burnley ....
So, he's working with Branch !!!

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by eastanglianclaret » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:27 pm

Wayne Thomas......... I used to put my hands over my eyes every time the ball went near him.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Conroy92 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:33 pm

Biggest waste of money signing has to be Gibson.
Remco has to be up there, I remember someone suggesting he was one of the highest paid players at the time, and we never saw him!
Besart Berisha also another shout. Annoyingly I watched the Albania Vs England under 21's at the turf and was desperate for us to sign him!

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Conroy92 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:34 pm

eastanglianclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:27 pm
Wayne Thomas......... I used to put my hands over my eyes every time the ball went near him.
How we sold him for decent money I'll never know.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by buzzclarets79 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:57 pm

Can’t believe that Belgium striker we signed hasn’t been mentioned, Vossen was it? Did he even spend a month with us? Surely that was a waste of money even if we did recoup some or all of it about two weeks later!
Does anyone actually know what went on there?.....

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:07 pm

Gibson. Surely there can be no argument?

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Right_winger » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:25 pm

This thread is incomplete without Lucas Jutkiewicz

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:35 pm

1.Gibson.2Drinkwater 3.Hart

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Bfcboyo » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:57 pm

Dy1geo wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:46 pm
I will take the bait, but if he was a bad signing bring on many more, his time on the pitch was a joy to watch.

Not that I agree with your logic but surely Brady at £13 mill and 62 appearances offers lower value for money,
Even in murky canal water you must have seen that lure was not a real fishy.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Petersa » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:58 pm

The most ridiculous for me was Andre Bikey.
If he did OK then he would have been missing for the African Cup of Nations at probably the most important part of the season. Well he wasn't that good but still went to the AFCON necessitating the purchase of a replacement in the guise of Leon Cort! In terms of value for money his value rocketed to a free transfer. Need I say more.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by LAM » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:11 pm

We spent a few quid (for us at the time) on Lee Howey didn’t we?
Mark Ford wasn’t cheap either and both offered little.

Can’t see past Gibson though.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Billyblah » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:40 pm

I'd agree with Gibson.
I'd also be controversial in suggesting Jeff Hendrick on the basis of buying him for £10m but selling him for nothing....absolutely crazy....that said his contribution on the pitch was tremendous.
Liam Robinson was brought in as a striker...but couldn't score.
And from a very dim and distant past big John Gayle.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Stan Tastic » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm

Gibson.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:30 pm

Also Gibson. Some other wastes of space have been mentioned but none were signed for such a significant fee, even relative to our financial position at the time.

Whoever brought Defour into this conversation needs their head testing.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:35 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:33 pm
Biggest waste of money signing has to be Gibson.
Remco has to be up there, I remember someone suggesting he was one of the highest paid players at the time, and we never saw him!
Besart Berisha also another shout. Annoyingly I watched the Albania Vs England under 21's at the turf and was desperate for us to sign him!
Remco was our highest wage earner in the Premier League season even though he hadn’t played for us in over a year when we kicked off the season at Stoke.

Besart was a strange one. Got the injury within weeks and then had a different manager who didn’t want him when he got fit. I only ever saw him in the Albania game v England B on the Turf and I think anyone would have wanted to sign him on the back of that performance.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:47 pm

Remco spent 2 out of his 3 year contract on loan including signing an 18 month loan deal for his second stint at Brondby which covered the last 18 months of his contract with us.

Whilst Im certain Brondby didnt cover his full wage how much we actually spent on him is questionable and will be nowhere near the mythical amount that has been peddled on this site and its predecessor over the years.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:49 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:47 pm
Remco spent 2 out of his 3 year contract on loan including signing an 18 month loan deal for his second stint at Brondby which covered the last 18 months of his contract with us.

Whilst Im certain Brondby didnt cover his full wage how much we actually spent on him is questionable and will be nowhere near the mythical amount that has been peddled on this site and its predecessor over the years.
Was still our highest wage earner in 209/10, on loan or not, and my source on that one is impeccable.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:49 pm
Was still our highest wage earner in 209/10, on loan or not, and my source on that one is impeccable.
He may well have been for the first part of the season but I dont believe you or your source if you are claiming we were still paying him more than any other player after signing the 18 month deal with Brondby

If you want to post how much you claim he was earning and how much Brondby contributed feel free but you have a huge agenda/bias in this area so its hard to trust what you say on this one.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:59 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:54 pm
He may well have been for the first part of the season but I dont believe you or your source if you are claiming we were still paying him more than any other player after signing the 18 month deal with Brondby

If you want to post how much you claim he was earning and how much Brondby contributed feel free but you have a huge agenda/bias in this area so its hard to trust what you say on this one.
He was throughout the season and that info is from someone who would know. How we ever allowed ourselves to do the deal we did with him I don’t know.

You don’t need to believe me but I can assure you that you would believe my source.

I have no idea what the figure was but I do know that even out on loan he was still our highest earner and the contract he was on was for long enough that it was Eddie Howe who finally released him.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:05 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:59 pm
He was throughout the season and that info is from someone who would know. How we ever allowed ourselves to do the deal we did with him I don’t know.

You don’t need to believe me but I can assure you that you would believe my source.

I have no idea what the figure was but I do know that even out on loan he was still our highest earner and the contract he was on was for long enough that it was Eddie Howe who finally released him.
Its a decade a go so this info isnt sensitive (you was obviously comfortable discussing it with someone) so tell us what was he on and what was Brondby's contribution

Your source might be impeccable but they can have agenda's and bias and from the Coyle era there was definitely some splits from within the club where some will paint things positively and some will give a negative spin

Not accusing you of lying but misinformation can be easily spread especially when people are being told what they want to hear. Still if we had some numbers it might help assess the plausibility of your claim but as it stands it seems very unlikely and not something I believe on your say so

Edit: Seen you said you dont know the figures so obviously cant expect you to share what you dont know. That said it makes it even more sketchy that someone has just stated it with nothing to back it up

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:07 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:05 am
Its a decade a go so this info isnt sensitive (you was obviously comfortable discussing it with someone) so tell us what was he on and what was Brondby's contribution

Your source might be impeccable but they can have agenda's and bias and from the Coyle era there was definitely some splits from within the club where some will paint things positively and some will give a negative spin

Not accusing you of lying but misinformation can be easily spread especially when people are being told what they want to hear. Still if we had some numbers it might help assess the plausibility of your claim but as it stands it seems very unlikely and not something I believe on your say so
I don’t know the figures, I’ve already told you that. I’ll also tell you that you can choose to believe me or not but I know what I was told, I know who told me and I know the information to be 100% correct. There is absolutely no misinformation.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:09 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:07 am
I don’t know the figures, I’ve already told you that. I’ll also tell you that you can choose to believe me or not but I know what I was told, I know who told me and I know the information to be 100% correct. There is absolutely no misinformation.
Yep Ive edited my post and as for misinformation you cannot be sure that your source was being accurate. We're not going to agree and theres no evidence either way so you believe what you believe and I'll have my own opinion

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:14 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:09 am
Yep Ive edited my post and as for misinformation you cannot be sure that your source was being accurate. We're not going to agree and theres no evidence either way so you believe what you believe and I'll have my own opinion
I know 100% that my source was accurate and I mean 100%. Whether you choose to believe me or not is up to you but I know what I was told and I know it was totally accurate.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:54 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:14 am
I know 100% that my source was accurate and I mean 100%. Whether you choose to believe me or not is up to you but I know what I was told and I know it was totally accurate.
Don't feed the troll.


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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Ptgclaret » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:33 am

Jelle Vossen. Certainly the biggest waste of time.

Dane Richards? 2 sub appearances, the second of which he was subbed back off. Never understood that one.
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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:36 am

Ptgclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:33 am
Jelle Vossen. Certainly the biggest waste of time.
Not a waste of money though, we got every penny back.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:01 am

Ptgclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:33 am
Jelle Vossen. Certainly the biggest waste of time.

Dane Richards? 2 sub appearances, the second of which he was subbed back off. Never understood that one.
I believe we were merely a vehicle for his transfer to his eventual club as there
was a barr on his direct transfer to that club. We were simply a means of effecting that
transfer.

Not sure of the validity of that tale, but that's what I was told. Make what you will of it.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:15 am

Funkydrummer wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:01 am
I believe we were merely a vehicle for his transfer to his eventual club as there
was a barr on his direct transfer to that club. We were simply a means of effecting that
transfer.

Not sure of the validity of that tale, but that's what I was told. Make what you will of it.
I'm assuming you mean Vossen. I never heard that one. The story I heard was that he wasn't happy at the Hennings and Gray signings that followed, but I've nothing to substantiate that.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by Funkydrummer » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:20 am

Sorry, yes, it was Vossen. The tale made sense at the time and went some way to
explain the rapid turnover.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by MDWat » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:23 am

Gibson by some considerable distance.

Wells was a waste of time but I suppose we got money back/the Brownhill deal out of that one.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by nyclaret » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:47 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:15 am
I'm assuming you mean Vossen. I never heard that one. The story I heard was that he wasn't happy at the Hennings and Gray signings that followed, but I've nothing to substantiate that.
I just presumed his wife/partner wanted to return to Belgium.

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Re: Our biggest waste of money signing

Post by BenWickes » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:53 am

Funkydrummer wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:01 am
I believe we were merely a vehicle for his transfer to his eventual club as there
was a barr on his direct transfer to that club. We were simply a means of effecting that
transfer.

Not sure of the validity of that tale, but that's what I was told. Make what you will of it.
I'd heard similar. Something about discontent as he'd previously played for Cercle Brugge and a direct move to their rivals Club Brugge. Don't think Genk fans were pleased about him moving to Club Brugge either.

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