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I don’t see any major problems anywhere apart from centre back - we have two good players competing for every other position, but the centre back one is a worry. I bet though, if Tarks was off that would attract good players fairly quick - it is the prospect of being on the bench that must be unattractive, a la Gibson. Could Worrall be the option?
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We only have 3 Central midfielders and 1 wide right player
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And one fit CH, if he leaves. Two CH’s that have played in the PL, one with a handful of games, and our main target seems to be a Championship player.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:29 pmWe only have 3 Central midfielders and 1 wide right player
3 CMs seems a luxury really, but agree that and RW should also be addressed this window.
Starting to get very worried, really.
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All had the benefit of being bedded in gradually. Lose Tarkowski and we don’t have that option.
If we needed to bed in a new centre half, it needs to be one of a) someone good enough to fit straight in (expensive), b) someone on the conveyor belt (we don’t have one at the moment) or c) at least a long period to work with them ahead of the season (we don’t buy quickly).
Losing Tarkowski now would be a big worry
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Except for Gray Wood and Jayrod you are rightMattster wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:40 amThe difference with those ones is the replacements were already at the club and had had a long time (12 months+) bedding in and getting the tactical understanding of Dyche's system.
When we parachuted a replacement directly into the starting lineup of the defence (Hart) it did not go very well.
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That's why someone like Dawson would be perfect.DCWat wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:03 pmAll had the benefit of being bedded in gradually. Lose Tarkowski and we don’t have that option.
If we needed to bed in a new centre half, it needs to be one of a) someone good enough to fit straight in (expensive), b) someone on the conveyor belt (we don’t have one at the moment) or c) at least a long period to work with them ahead of the season (we don’t buy quickly).
Losing Tarkowski now would be a big worry
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Oh, sorry. I missed the bit where they played in defence...
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Mikey Garlick will be refurnishing the boardroom as we speak from the proceeds of Tarkowski’s sale.
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I don't know much about him, but if we are going to sign a player who could step in for Tarks, whether he stays or leaves, at least we'd have an experienced defender, something we have needed since Gibson sodded off.
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I'd be very worried if he left. especially with how slow we already have been in the transfer window.
Then if we are waiting to see what happens before making moves, other teams will know we have money (30/50 million being flouted) and push us for more money.
Then if we are waiting to see what happens before making moves, other teams will know we have money (30/50 million being flouted) and push us for more money.
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Really? Or is that meant to be jocular? Mr Garlick stepped in when Mr Kilby had his health scare and has provided sound leadership since. It's not his fault that all other PL owners are multiple times wealthier than he (or the other directors are), and the club is in the best shape since the mid 60's.
So you took this cheap shot. You madam are a disgrace to your poster name.
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Sorry to have offended you, Mike.levraiclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:40 pmReally? Or is that meant to be jocular? Mr Garlick stepped in when Mr Kilby had his health scare and has provided sound leadership since. It's not his fault that all other PL owners are multiple times wealthier than he (or the other directors are), and the club is in the best shape since the mid 60's.
So you took this cheap shot. You madam are a disgrace to your poster name.
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I would like to think / keeping my fingers crossed that Tarkowski will stay for this season and give it his all and then he looks to move on next Summer, ideally to a team like Leicester - who would be able to pay the going rate for his level of ability. Please not West Ham. However if his head has been turned by all of the speculation and what has happened with him being left out of the England side, then we need to move him on before the transfer window expires. It will have echoes of what happened with Danny Ings in the final stages of his time at Burnley before he moved onto Liverpool. When a player's mind is elsewhere, there won't be that total commitment to the cause. We are running a tight ship in terms of squad numbers and we can't afford to be carrying any passengers. As for his replacement, my only comments are in Dyche we trust.
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Please not Leicester, then it will only be for the money and Tarks is better than that. There are top seven clubs that would benefit from signing Tarkowski.
Liverpool - better than Gomez
Man City - better than Otamendi, Ake and Stones
Man Utd - better than all of them including slabhead.
Chelsea - better than Rudiger and
Arsenal - better than Luiz and well just better
Everton - better than Keane
Wolves - better than Coady
Brighton - better than Dunk and White
Aston Villa - better than Mings
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In your opinion of course. Obviously hope he stays but would be interesting to see how he got on somewhere else without the amount of protection he gets playing for us.levraiclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:29 pmPlease not Leicester, then it will only be for the money and Tarks is better than that. There are top seven clubs that would benefit from signing Tarkowski.
Liverpool - better than Gomez
Man City - better than Otamendi, Ake and Stones
Man Utd - better than all of them including slabhead.
Chelsea - better than Rudiger and
Arsenal - better than Luiz and well just better
Everton - better than Keane
Wolves - better than Coady
Brighton - better than Dunk and White
Aston Villa - better than Mings
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Kalidou Koulibaly Interesting City at £75m or something daft - no PL experience. Would be much better off going for Tarks and proves we should be holding out for £50m minimum.
I think he’d get in to United's team too. He’s certainly better than Bailly, Rojo & Jones. Wouldn’t mind Smalling in return.
I think he’d get in to United's team too. He’s certainly better than Bailly, Rojo & Jones. Wouldn’t mind Smalling in return.
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Strange if he thinks Wetspam will get him an England call up...........possibly he’s fed up with our “framework” week in week out.
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Extremely claret tinted glasses there pal! Quite a few premier league winners medals and international caps there.levraiclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:29 pmPlease not Leicester, then it will only be for the money and Tarks is better than that. There are top seven clubs that would benefit from signing Tarkowski.
Liverpool - better than Gomez
Man City - better than Otamendi, Ake and Stones
Man Utd - better than all of them including slabhead.
Chelsea - better than Rudiger and
Arsenal - better than Luiz and well just better
Everton - better than Keane
Wolves - better than Coady
Brighton - better than Dunk and White
Aston Villa - better than Mings
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Not sure I understand his potential move apart from the fact it would be for more money.
His profile raised again last year playing for Burnley. He got his England call up previously and screwed it up, take Tarks out of the Burnley back line and I think he won’t be the same player.
We’re a top 10 club, if he joins a club like West Ham his career will only go one way, ala Keane. In my opinion.
His profile raised again last year playing for Burnley. He got his England call up previously and screwed it up, take Tarks out of the Burnley back line and I think he won’t be the same player.
We’re a top 10 club, if he joins a club like West Ham his career will only go one way, ala Keane. In my opinion.
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Who from that list is a better defender. He beats them all for headers won, tackles made and blocks.Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:38 amExtremely claret tinted glasses there pal! Quite a few premier league winners medals and international caps there.
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Tarkowski has said he wants CL football which rules out three of those listed for the foreseeable future, if ever. Four are in next seasons CL and none have shown interest. Arsenal and Wolves could potentially make it for the 2021/22 season. Only Leicester have made any interest known (of those listed/included in your post) and they also would only be in the 2021/22 season, assuming they finish in the top four. Not impossible but unlikely looking at the strength of Liverpool, City, United and Chelsea. It's irrelevant if we think Tarkowski is better. Neither West Ham or Leicester can offer him/guarantee him anything other than a wage rise and in both cases I don't (West Ham especially) think they're going to trouble the top 6 let alone the top four next season. None of the others are interested or have expressed an interest. His other criteria is playing for England. He'd be even less likely to get a call up at West Ham with that team and I don't see his chances of getting a call up increasing a great deal at Leicester, if he can even get in the team.levraiclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:29 pmPlease not Leicester, then it will only be for the money and Tarks is better than that. There are top seven clubs that would benefit from signing Tarkowski.
Liverpool - better than Gomez
Man City - better than Otamendi, Ake and Stones
Man Utd - better than all of them including slabhead.
Chelsea - better than Rudiger and
Arsenal - better than Luiz and well just better
Everton - better than Keane
Wolves - better than Coady
Brighton - better than Dunk and White
Aston Villa - better than Mings
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That doesn’t always mean you’re a better player, it just means you spend longer having to defend. I rate Tarky highly but think this perception that he’s the next best thing to VVD is a complete myth from Burnley fans. The premier league has some of the best managers in the world but you don’t see all the top clubs clambering for his signature, when they could potentially get him for a bargain by their standards and have him at 3rd choice.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:54 amWho from that list is a better defender. He beats them all for headers won, tackles made and blocks.
I remember Michael Keane being the best English defender on here for a few years, that soon changed.
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Can't see how offering £20m less than the asking price will appease the fans, maybe they're just blowing bubbles to appease them
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Can't see any reason, apart from money, why JT would go to West Ham, a club that always appears in a bit of a turmoil. Angry fans, now angry captain and disappointed players.
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I think Tarks is an exceptional player, however the questions needs answering.
Why doesnt he draw the attention of a top 6 EPL side, and why isn't he getting picked for England. Is it the style of play of Burnley, because we are unfashionable....I've no idea, hes better than most in this league...interested to know others opinions.
Why doesnt he draw the attention of a top 6 EPL side, and why isn't he getting picked for England. Is it the style of play of Burnley, because we are unfashionable....I've no idea, hes better than most in this league...interested to know others opinions.
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Gomez plays for England - tarks isn't even in the squadlevraiclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:29 pmPlease not Leicester, then it will only be for the money and Tarks is better than that. There are top seven clubs that would benefit from signing Tarkowski.
Liverpool - better than Gomez
Man City - better than Otamendi, Ake and Stones
Man Utd - better than all of them including slabhead.
Chelsea - better than Rudiger and
Arsenal - better than Luiz and well just better
Everton - better than Keane
Wolves - better than Coady
Brighton - better than Dunk and White
Aston Villa - better than Mings
Otamendi plays for Argentina and has won the premier League
I'd have lindelof or.maguire ahead of tarks anyday
Ruduger is a German international and premier League winner
Luiz is just luiz brilliantly awful
Keane is better than tarks
The rest are debatable
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I think Southgate wants players who can play out from the back. As of yet I haven't seen any who are capable of doing it any better than Tarks. We defend so well as a team overall and protect the defence so well overall that maybe Southgate doesn't get a true sense of his capability. We can play expansive football but more often than not will just as likely play percentage balls, diagonals looking for knock downs and the second ball.ewanrob wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:21 amI think Tarks is an exceptional player, however the questions needs answering.
Why doesnt he draw the attention of a top 6 EPL side, and why isn't he getting picked for England. Is it the style of play of Burnley, because we are unfashionable....I've no idea, hes better than most in this league...interested to know others opinions.
I can only assume he's not picked because of style of play and being asked to play a different system to what he's used to.
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"" Style of play ""has nowhere near the impact of" " size of club""
Ralph Coates suddenly became good enough for England as soon as he went to Spurs... Tarks will become an automatic selection on the day he leaves, as will Pope.
Ralph Coates suddenly became good enough for England as soon as he went to Spurs... Tarks will become an automatic selection on the day he leaves, as will Pope.
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Ben mee still not back in training yet according to SD.
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Money Money Money...... Anyone who think today's players are playing for trophies is Deluded tbh. London v Burnley no contest.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:18 amCan't see any reason, apart from money, why JT would go to West Ham, a club that always appears in a bit of a turmoil. Angry fans, now angry captain and disappointed players.
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This “size of the club“ makes sense though doesn’t it?
If you have a CH who’s playing in a team fighting for the title, then it’s only right he plays over a lower team. If you want to win games and trophies at international level, you need players who’ve been involved in finals, title races and won trophies.
And in the end it boils down to, he’s quite clearly not the best English CH. Man City have spent huge amounts over the past few years on defenders from around the world. Yet they ignored Franz Tarkenbauer who’s only half an hour down the road. If he was that good, they’d have got him. Or Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Man U, who’ve all been in the market for a CH. It’s amazing really poster on here have more knowledge on CH that the likes of Mourinho, Pep, Klopp
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Tyrone Mings though.Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:34 amThis “size of the club“ makes sense though doesn’t it?
If you have a CH who’s playing in a team fighting for the title, then it’s only right he plays over a lower team. If you want to win games and trophies at international level, you need players who’ve been involved in finals, title races and won trophies.
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Tarks has definitely improved in the last 2 seasons, hence why he's been our POTY in both, he is drawing the attention of a top 6 EPL side, Leicester are displaying interest, why he's not making England squads IDK, I can only assume GS doesn't think he's good enough playing out from the back, but as a pure defender he's got the attributes, it does help that he plays in our system mind you, if he went to Leicester for example would he get the same protection from their wide players and midfielders, I somehow doubt it, and as we saw with Michael Keane at Everton he struggled to adapt to an unfamiliar style of play.ewanrob wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:21 amI think Tarks is an exceptional player, however the questions needs answering.
Why doesnt he draw the attention of a top 6 EPL side, and why isn't he getting picked for England. Is it the style of play of Burnley, because we are unfashionable....I've no idea, hes better than most in this league...interested to know others opinions.
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Rob Holding plays for Arsenal in their defence. Would you say he should be automatically picked in front of Tarkowski because of who he plays for?Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:34 amThis “size of the club“ makes sense though doesn’t it?
If you have a CH who’s playing in a team fighting for the title, then it’s only right he plays over a lower team. If you want to win games and trophies at international level, you need players who’ve been involved in finals, title races and won trophies.
And in the end it boils down to, he’s quite clearly not the best English CH. Man City have spent huge amounts over the past few years on defenders from around the world. Yet they ignored Franz Tarkenbauer who’s only half an hour down the road. If he was that good, they’d have got him. Or Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Man U, who’ve all been in the market for a CH. It’s amazing really poster on here have more knowledge on CH that the likes of Mourinho, Pep, Klopp
Chelsea signed the world's most expensive goal keeper, yet now want rid. Because he signed for Chelsea for a record transfer fee didn't make him a better keeper than Pope, for example.
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Given the news on Mee we can, at least, expect to hold on to JT till the very end of the window.
So the first 3 games should be covered if nothing more
So the first 3 games should be covered if nothing more
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I seem to remember Ralph playing for England whilst still at Burnley. He was in the initial squad of 28 for the Mexico 1970 World Cup also, before he left us.
Martin Dobson was capped 4 times for England whilst he was at Burnley and only once when he left for Everton.
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Good grief, Brentford had our pants down, 27.5% sell on.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 42386.html
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Maybe Brentford were a bit brassed off that their player was unsettled to the point where he refused to turn out for them, so the sell on clause greased the deal and we didn't have our pants pulled down.AndyClaret wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:17 amGood grief, Brentford had our pants down, 27.5% sell on.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 42386.html
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Tarks is a much better player than Keane in my opinion. Keane was good, but Tarks is better than him in nearly every aspect.CFS wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:23 amGomez plays for England - tarks isn't even in the squad
Otamendi plays for Argentina and has won the premier League
I'd have lindelof or.maguire ahead of tarks anyday
Ruduger is a German international and premier League winner
Luiz is just luiz brilliantly awful
Keane is better than tarks
The rest are debatable
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Claretnick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:22 amMaybe Brentford were a bit brassed off that their player was unsettled to the point where he refused to turn out for them, so the sell on clause greased the deal and we didn't have our pants pulled down.
27.5% sell on fee suggests we did
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If I had to place a bet my money would be on Nathaniel Chalobah of Watford. I'm not saying that I think he would be a good signing ( that knee injury was a nasty one and he has looked a lesser player since it happened ), but he ticks the logical deductive boxes for guessing an ex player that might be heading back.
1) Joined us on loan back in the 2014/2015 season and played 4 matches for us.
2) We will have looked closely at all the relegated squads, including Watford.
3) Watford have seven midfielders and most of them are better than him.
4) He mainly plays as a defensive midfielder, with spells in central midfield.
5) Probably available, because he has spent most of his career out on loan.
6) He is currently in quarantine with Covid, so a transfer would be up in the air.
7) If spotrac is in the right ball park, his wages of 35K are within our means.
8) He probably wouldn't cost us a lot of money, at least he shouldn't do.
9) Domestic and he ticks the worse than we could have got or could get box.
I'm guessing that our eyes will be drawn to him, because he has EPL experience and he was being briefly touted as a future England International before his injury. He actually received one call up for the Senior National Squad and he played numerous times for every level of the junior squads. We seem to like quoting previous National Squad affiliations in our recent transfer press releases. On the upside he is a good age.
Bringing in his brother on loan would have been a better move, but he went to FC Lorient earlier in the window.
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Radio 5 just quoted Dyche as saying our valuation of TarKs "has not yet been met".
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And there was me thinking it was Trippier. Can be hopeful I guess.
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More chance of it being Joey BartonLong Time Lurker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:27 pmIf I had to place a bet my money would be on Nathaniel Chalobah of Watford. I'm not saying that I think he would be a good signing ( that knee injury was a nasty one and he has looked a lesser player since it happened ), but he ticks the logical deductive boxes for guessing an ex player that might be heading back.
1) Joined us on loan back in the 2014/2015 season and played 4 matches for us.
2) We will have looked closely at all the relegated squads, including Watford.
3) Watford have seven midfielders and most of them are better than him.
4) He mainly plays as a defensive midfielder, with spells in central midfield.
5) Probably available, because he has spent most of his career out on loan.
6) He is currently in quarantine with Covid, so a transfer would be up in the air.
7) If spotrac is in the right ball park, his wages of 35K are within our means.
8) He probably wouldn't cost us a lot of money, at least he shouldn't do.
9) Domestic and he ticks the worse than we could have got or could get box.
I'm guessing that our eyes will be drawn to him, because he has EPL experience and he was being briefly touted as a future England International before his injury. He actually received one call up for the Senior National Squad and he played numerous times for every level of the junior squads. We seem to like quoting previous National Squad affiliations in our recent transfer press releases. On the upside he is a good age.
Bringing in his brother on loan would have been a better move, but he went to FC Lorient earlier in the window.
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Feb 2016. 1 PL season under our belt, fighting for promotion. Signing a player as back up. Do you really think we could go and spend £10/15m for him up front? If we did, his attitude in the time from then to when Keane left could have be different. Record signing sat on the bench week in week out could have frustrated him like we’ve seen with Gibson. Clubs don’t make record signings to then not play them. The club did and got a fantastic deal.