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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by mybloodisclaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:34 pm

Longsider wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:23 pm
So. Is it really going to happen?

We may find out in the morning according to some who were expecting an announcement to the markets on Friday AM.

Hopefully by Friday PM we can confirm Harry Wilson, that would be a super Friday.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Longsider » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:01 pm

mybloodisclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:34 pm
We may find out in the morning according to some who were expecting an announcement to the markets on Friday AM.

Hopefully by Friday PM we can confirm Harry Wilson, that would be a super Friday.
It would be excellent if it's announced on Burnley market tomorrow
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Reecey1987 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:03 pm

Longsider wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:01 pm
It would be excellent if it's announced on Burnley market tomorrow
I think he means the stock exchange not actual burnley market
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Longsider » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:04 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:03 pm
I think he means the stock exchange not actual burnley market
Whooosh
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:10 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:59 pm
I'm fairly sure Mr Brown would prefer the rather more genteel sound of leather on willow next to his splendid establishments, than the chants of " Who are yeh ! " penetrating the ears of the lovely ladies who lunch at " Bertrams " etc ... :roll:
It’s terrible land down there by the river and I’m pretty sure his house is only a few fields away, it used to be when I was younger anyway

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Clarets4me » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:14 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:10 pm
It’s terrible land down there by the river and I’m pretty sure his house is only a few fields away, it used to be when I was younger anyway
It's incredible what he's achieved there, a top-class facility for Burnley ... despite opposition from Friends of the Earth and certain local Councillors at the time ... I believe he's downsized and lives a little further afield now ...
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:32 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:03 pm
I think he means the stock exchange not actual burnley market
Don’t spoil it. That was one of the best posts this week.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by morpheus2 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:39 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:32 pm
Don’t spoil it. That was one of the best posts this week.

I think that adds to it rather than spoils it!
:lol: :lol:
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by scouseclaret » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:32 pm

As neither BFC nor ALK are quoted companies, it is actually far more likely to be announced on Burnley market.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Lord_Bob » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:00 am

Bit in The Times:

Americans eye up Burnley for ‘Moneyball’ project
Ian Whittell


An American investment company has set its sights on turning Burnley into a Moneyball project.
ALK Capital has taken an interest in the Premier League club with a view to implementing a data and analytics-driven blueprint for success.
It is a model that Brentford have employed in recent seasons and one that was immortalised in the book Moneyball by Michael Lewis, in 2003, which charts the Oakland Athletics’ rise in baseball where they profited from spotting talent that other clubs failed to identify.
The Times understands no takeover of the Lancashire club is imminent but talks are taking place with the Burnley chairman, Mike Garlick, who owns a 49.24 per cent interest in the club.
Sources claim that representatives of ALK have visited Burnley’s new training ground as part of their research.


Ironically, given the frustrations of Sean Dyche, the manager, at the absence of investment in new players, it is that lack of major spending power that makes Burnley an attractive proposition for the US businessmen.
A well-run and financially solid business with a reputation for careful fiscal management, Burnley are seen as the kind of club that could benefit from ALK’s expertise and connections in the business of scouting and analytics.
Alan Pace, managing partner of ALK Capital, is a Wall Street executive who was also president of MLS club Real Salt Lake. Along with that team’s co-owner Dave Checketts, he made an attempt to buy Sheffield United last season.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by steve1264b » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:40 am

From my quick google i cant see how either alan pace or dave checketts have the sort of money to buy a premier league club.

There is an interesting connection with Lancashire in that dave checketts would appear to be well connected with the church of the latter day saints whose uk hq is at Chorley.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:00 am

steve1264b wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:40 am
From my quick google i cant see how either alan pace or dave checketts have the sort of money to buy a premier league club.

There is an interesting connection with Lancashire in that dave checketts would appear to be well connected with the church of the latter day saints whose uk hq is at Chorley.
they aren't supposed to

They head an investment group which is made up of investors - a lot of the time investors/rich folks employ investment groups to find them opportunities so they remain in the shadows - common practice

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:06 am

The way I read it they don't need the money. As an investment company they are persuading 3rd parties to invest their money. It means we won't have an individual owner, just the men who front the IC.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:59 am

mybloodisclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:34 pm
We may find out in the morning according to some who were expecting an announcement to the markets on Friday AM.

Hopefully by Friday PM we can confirm Harry Wilson, that would be a super Friday.
It would be great. It's not set in stone it'll be today. I merely said it'd be more likely to be Friday but it's Burnley FC we're talking about. At the best of times we drag our heels doing business over one player. We're talking about the entire club. It's out in the open now, which has just turned rumours into speculation of when and expectation of what.
Both parties will want it done before the window closes but as Dyche said. It's a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's.

As for announcing it on Burnley market. :lol: That would be so like Burnley.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:22 am

BenWickes wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:59 am
It would be great. It's not set in stone it'll be today. I merely said it'd be more likely to be Friday but it's Burnley FC we're talking about. At the best of times we drag our heels doing business over one player. We're talking about the entire club. It's out in the open now, which has just turned rumours into speculation of when and expectation of what.
Both parties will want it done before the window closes but as Dyche said. It's a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's.

As for announcing it on Burnley market. :lol: That would be so like Burnley.
are we expecting an announcement of the proposal of a sale or are we expecting an announcement of the sale ?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by joey13 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:28 am

Are they interested in investing, sound more like asset strippers :shock:

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:31 am

joey13 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:28 am
Are they interested in investing, sound more like asset strippers :shock:
how on earth have you come to that conclusion ?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by joey13 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:32 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:31 am
how on earth have you come to that conclusion ?
The times article

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:37 am

joey13 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:32 am
The times article
right, same question though - genuinely want to know how you got asset stripping from that article ?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:43 am

joey13 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:28 am
Are they interested in investing, sound more like asset strippers :shock:
Investing locally (NW) and in the club. To answer Vegas. I'm not that au fait with it to know all the details or how it's structured. All I have been told is to expect an announcement. Which has since been leaked to the national media.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by joey13 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:10 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:37 am
right, same question though - genuinely want to know how you got asset stripping from that article ?
By reading the article 🤷‍♂️

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:14 am

joey13 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:10 am
[quote="Vegas Claret" post_id=<a href="tel:1378010">1378010</a> time=<a href="tel:1601012242">1601012242</a> user_id=891]
right, same question though - genuinely want to know how you got asset stripping from that article ?


By reading the article 🤷‍♂️
Nothing as queer as folk. How anyone can read that article and think “asset stripper” is beyond me.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by clerkenwell.claret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:48 am

ALK isn’t investing out of the love of Burnley FC and the beautiful game.

They want a return on their capital.

There may well be problems with the current business model and as things stand in the medium to long term it’s not certain that BFC has the financial clout to maintain premier league status.

ALK investment might increase the chance of staying in the premier league. But at what cost? A conveyor belt of managers? Volatility? Etc.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by DCWat » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:55 am

I hadn’t thought it to be a money ball type activity, from the little bits that I’ve read so far; more an opportunity to prove sports scouting / analytics software at a high level.

If one of the intentions is to implement a “data and analytics blueprint”, with the intention of selling their product(s) more widely, it’s surely contradictory to what money ball is about, from my understanding of it. This being to identify players that others have overlooked. In which case, if the software becomes more mainstream, the money ball purpose would be lost, wouldn’t it?

I hope that the article is a little off the mark and missing some of the key points of the reason(s) for investment.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:03 am

A few further observations, all those being sceptical appear to forget that the man they trust implicitly, Mike Garlick is the man that appears to be looking to get out! Equally, they appear to trust him to run the club but not sell the club.

DCWat is right in that the moneyball aspect can only be money ball in the event it is less mainstream. However, a moneyball style project that brings through a conveyor belt of sellable talent is certainly a model that could work with a club like ours. It’s how we have always existed albeit without the technology aspect, this would just be giving us the technology and funds to continue that model in a market that has got ahead of us. Even the hidden gems come at a premium these days.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:05 am

Relatively big money being pumped into a club for what is usually a short term joy ride....usually ending in tears, isn't what I want for my club.

It never, ever will be.

2 top half finishes in the world's best football league is pretty good in my book......along with the current run of 5 consecutive seasons... I don't get turned on with the idea of us elbowing our way to the front row of the trough with the biggest fattest pigs in town.

Personally, I feel that supporters who are wetting themselves at the prospect of us getting a ticket to the whole moneyball circus are simpletons and parrots repeating an empty mantra.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:06 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:05 am
Relatively big money being pumped into a club for what is usually a short term joy ride....usually ending in tears, isn't what I want for my club.

It never, ever will be.

2 top half finishes in the world's best football league is pretty good in my book......along with the current run of 5 consecutive seasons... I don't get turned on with the idea of us elbowing our way to the front row of the trough with the biggest fattest pigs in town.

Personally, I feel that supporters who are wetting themselves at the prospect of us getting a ticket to the whole moneyball circus are simpletons and parrots repeating an empty mantra.
You clearly don’t understand what moneyball is then.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Local cricketer » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:16 am

Well im excited by it. Mike Garlick has taken us as far as he can. We need more finance to compete at the top table and id rather be watching us in the Premier league than struggling against Rotherham.

People on here are so against change

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Steddyman » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:20 am

mybloodisclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:34 pm
We may find out in the morning according to some who were expecting an announcement to the markets on Friday AM.

Hopefully by Friday PM we can confirm Harry Wilson, that would be a super Friday.
Why would we make an announcement to the financial markets? We are a private company, not a public one.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by hoskinsgoalatswansea » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:29 am

These guys aren’t Saudi billionaires. A change of ownership doesn’t necessarily mean investment in players. I worry about our club being owned by someone who isn’t a fan.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:44 am

I just can't see how Dyche would work in these moneyball type ways.

He doesn't buy youngsters and he doesn't put most players in the team straight away that he buys?

Who is the youngest player he has bought to go straight in the team?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:48 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:44 am
I just can't see how Dyche would work in these moneyball type ways.

He doesn't buy youngsters and he doesn't put most players in the team straight away that he buys?

Who is the youngest player he has bought to go straight in the team?
No, but he does like a “next cab off the rank” policy doesn’t he.

Taylor for Ward, Tarks for Keane, Pope for Heaton etc. It’s just at the moment the Taylors, Tarks and Popes are also out of our current budget.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Wokingclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:53 am

Don't worry about Dyche, he's already said, give me the money and I'll spend it.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:04 am

The Times report states "no takeover imminent"

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:19 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:04 am
The Times report states "no takeover imminent"
Isn't that because, even if they buy all of MG's shares, they still won't own more than 50%?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by dibraidio » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:39 am

I can totally understand Garlick wanting to sell up now. Sean Dyche has taken Burnley as far as they can go with the current model and he's ready to move on to better things, if Sean goes then there's no guarantee that another manager will be able to do as well so Burnley's "stock" will never be any higher than it is now. Perfect time to sell.

If they use software to identify targets that other clubs have overlooked how is that going to fit with SDs own requirement that they are good characters who will fit in well with the group? I can see that being a source of conflict as SD would no doubt lose a degree of control.

These investors are coming in with the intention of making money, like the consortium who bought Wimbledon when they were in the top flight, like the Venkys down the road. They may have a model in mind that has worked in other sports but it's a gamble all the same.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:40 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:19 am
Isn't that because, even if they buy all of MG's shares, they still won't own more than 50%?
As with most private companies, I'd expect there is a shareholders' agreement in place that governs the transfer of shares from any shareholder to other shareholders, including new potential shareholders. So, if ALK are speaking with MG, we can take it the board is aware of it and appropriate steps will be taken which will include John B and the other "significant" shareholders. I'm choosing these words because (a) we don't know if all the other shareholders are aligned with MG and have all agreed to sell their shares, also, should MG agree to sell and (b) a different approach will apply to the small/one share type shareholders (if in fact they are shareholders of the entity that ALK may acquire).

It's not impossible that MG and JB both choose to retain some shares. It's not impossible that ALK would like that to be the case, maybe with a time period on them retaining shares that will transfer to ALK at a later date. All things are possible, including, of course, that ALK's interest goes nowhere and no deal is agreed.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:42 am

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:43 am

Local cricketer wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:16 am
Well im excited by it. Mike Garlick has taken us as far as he can. We need more finance to compete at the top table and id rather be watching us in the Premier league than struggling against Rotherham.

People on here are so against change
No, they've been asking for change, and now it looks like they may get it, they say they don't like it, even before they know what it is.

Nothing stranger than folk.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:54 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:43 am
No, they've been asking for change, and now it looks like they may get it, they say they don't like it, even before they know what it is.

Nothing stranger than folk.
Hi Gordaleman, are any of us surprised about this most predictable of responses? "The club needs investment," "Sean Dyche needs to be backed." "Who don't we offer what the selling club is asking?" And, then, someone turns up, an investment company, no less. You've for to assume an investment company will provide investment. You've got to assume that the new owners will be prepared to back Sean Dyche - always assuming Sean Dyche stays around because there is now money to invest. You've got to assume that there is money to buy players. And, what do we see posted? But, they aren't fans? But, they will "asset strip" us. But, they will want to earn a return on their investment.

There's nowt as strange....

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by TVC15 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:55 am

SD already uses a lot of data in managing the club. We have people employed under him with this specific remit.
From that point of view I think a money ball type operation is not as far away from his own beliefs as some fans would assume.

It’s worked well for Brentford and that’s with them spending very little on incoming players. Look at some of the profit they have made for the likes of Maupay, Watkins etc and they are still doing well on the pitch too.

I think the way it would work at Burnley would be still very much driven by Dyche and would be a hybrid of using data, extended scouting networks and all the successful methods and principles SD adopts at the club....with the obvious addition of some extra spend on players.
Dyche is a very forward thinking manager and combines this with some old fashioned values around respect, team work, no egos etc. There is no way that he would compromise any of the principles he so strongly believes in so I don’t think we need to worry about new owners and their relationship with Dyche from that point of view.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Mala591 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:59 am

It's a bit of fun to speculate but deep down none of us really wants a takeover. Far, far too risky.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:08 am

TVC15 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:55 am
SD already uses a lot of data in managing the club. We have people employed under him with this specific remit.
From that point of view I think a money ball type operation is not as far away from his own beliefs as some fans would assume.

It’s worked well for Brentford and that’s with them spending very little on incoming players. Look at some of the profit they have made for the likes of Maupay, Watkins etc and they are still doing well on the pitch too.

I think the way it would work at Burnley would be still very much driven by Dyche and would be a hybrid of using data, extended scouting networks and all the successful methods and principles SD adopts at the club....with the obvious addition of some extra spend on players.
Dyche is a very forward thinking manager and combines this with some old fashioned values around respect, team work, no egos etc. There is no way that he would compromise any of the principles he so strongly believes in so I don’t think we need to worry about new owners and their relationship with Dyche from that point of view.
Agree. There's no conflict from the way Sean Dyche presents himself as a manager and a person and a football club that uses statistical techniques to identify players and team organisation and tactics to achieve results. Looking at it from ALK's point of view, as a new owner, I see no reason why Sean Dyche wouldn't be a perfect fit for them - and they would expect to be able to make the budget available to want Sean Dyche to stay.

Moneyball was not only about the statistics. It was also about recognising the how to ensure that the best mix of humans were prepared to get the results for their team.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by RicardoMontalban » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:14 am

Mala591 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:59 am
but deep down none of us really wants a takeover.
Think you’re in for a bit of a shock on that front.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:21 am

I think I am right in saying the Brentford model does not have a manager, just a first team coach

Which was why Warburton left many moons ago

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by dushanbe » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:40 am

As I understand it, the money for this is much nearer to home than the US
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by martin_p » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:41 am

dushanbe wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:40 am
As I understand it, the money for this is much nearer to home than the US
Brierfield?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by summitclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:45 am

martin_p wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:41 am
Brierfield?
Is it buried in Ribchester?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Juan Tanamera » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:46 am

Mala591 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:59 am
It's a bit of fun to speculate but deep down none of us really wants a takeover. Far, far too risky.
None of us?
Speak for yourself sunshine.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:53 am

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:46 am
None of us?
Speak for yourself sunshine.
This is a local club for local people we’ll have no trouble here!
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