Biased and scare mongering news - front pages of the Sun, Express, Mail..,.Hendrickxz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:43 amThey have humour on the BBC?????? Long time since I recall anything to laugh at on there! £157 a year and it's utter shite...and don't get me going on how biased and scaremongering the news is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YYmfM2TfUADamo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:16 pmThe Spectator is fighting back
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true
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Yep, you've got to be careful when a noisy minority start complaining about everything and trying to shut things they don't agree with down.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788
Fortunately OFCOM was sensible enough in this response. Although there are still a few snowflakes who just can't let go https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54277992
On a separate note, I noticed that the Blair Partnership has employed Dana International as an agent recently which is interesting timing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788
Fortunately OFCOM was sensible enough in this response. Although there are still a few snowflakes who just can't let go https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54277992
On a separate note, I noticed that the Blair Partnership has employed Dana International as an agent recently which is interesting timing.
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https://stopfundinghate.info/Damo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:16 pmThe Spectator is fighting back
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true
Stop Funding Hate is a worthy campaign.
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As is people refusing to fund companies that restrict freedom of expression.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:13 pmhttps://stopfundinghate.info/
Stop Funding Hate is a worthy campaign.
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I suppose it's another step towards your definition of a free press. The press will never be truly free until it has to print only that news which it is told to by the government. You can't have a free press when the press can print what it likes.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:13 pmhttps://stopfundinghate.info/
Stop Funding Hate is a worthy campaign.
That's about it, isn't it?
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The press can print what it likes, subject to the libel law. In the same way companies can advertise with who they like and invest with who they like. Each free to do, and not do, whatever they want.dsr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:41 pmI suppose it's another step towards your definition of a free press. The press will never be truly free until it has to print only that news which it is told to by the government. You can't have a free press when the press can print what it likes.
That's about it, isn't it?
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Arguably any press that is dependent to that level on advertisers that they can potentially influence editorial content aren't free either.dsr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:41 pmI suppose it's another step towards your definition of a free press. The press will never be truly free until it has to print only that news which it is told to by the government. You can't have a free press when the press can print what it likes.
That's about it, isn't it?
It's a bit of a dilemma.
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Yes, they’re a pressure group. There’s thousands of them trying to influence decisions all over the place. Are you against all pressure groups or just the ones you don’t agree with.
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No, I don't. I want them to say whatever it is they have to say, and politely ignore them
I'd prefer it if the targets of their pressure did the same, and thankfully it seems they are starting to
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Well it’s up to the company in question whether they listen or not, but they have the freedom to ignore them if they want. So who’s freedom of speech is being stifled then?
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But they’re free to say what they want and their advertisers are free to decide whether they want to advertise with them or not.
What you want is consequence free ‘free speech’, but the very nature of free speech and freedom is general is that people or organisations are free to react to what you’ve said in any way they wish. You can’t have one without the other!
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Would that be in the very same way that stop funding "hate", aren't against all publications, just the ones they don’t agree with?
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I consider myself to be pretty Libertarian pal, and (I could be judging you completely wrong here, so please don't take offence) you come across as being a bit of a communist, so I appreciate our description of freedom will differ slightly. But I don't consider any decision taken by somebody because a person or people pressured them into doing so, to be a free onemartin_p wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:34 pmBut they’re free to say what they want and their advertisers are free to decide whether they want to advertise with them or not.
What you want is consequence free ‘free speech’, but the very nature of free speech and freedom is general is that people or organisations are free to react to what you’ve said in any way they wish. You can’t have one without the other!
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The left -
Claim to LOVE diversity.
Silence diversity of opinion...
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Claim to LOVE diversity.
Silence diversity of opinion...
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Well the clue’s in their name I think!RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:56 pmWould that be in the very same way that stop funding "hate", aren't against all publications, just the ones they don’t agree with?
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Strangely apt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:58 pmThe left -
Claim to LOVE diversity.
Silence diversity of opinion...
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So you are against pressure groups then!Damo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:57 pmI consider myself to be pretty Libertarian pal, and (I could be judging you completely wrong here, so please don't take offence) you come across as being a bit of a communist, so I appreciate our description of freedom will differ slightly. But I don't consider any decision taken by somebody because a person or people pressured them into doing so, to be a free one
So, for example, you’re against MigrationWatch U.K., the Taxpayers Alliance, Oxfam, Amnesty International, Vote Leave, Christian Aid and CND who are all listed as U.K. pressure groups.
Putting pressure on an organisation to do something is an established method of achieving your aims. Now it’s up to you whether you agree with those aims or not (and I certainly don’t agree with all the examples I listed above) but to claim that attempting to influence an organisation to do something is ‘stifling freedom of speech’ means you think every pressure group is doing the same.
FYI - I’m not a communist.
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Thats pretty good to be fairaggi wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:07 pmStrangely apt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788
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No pal. I'm not against all pressure groups. Just the ones who want to stifle freedom of speech.martin_p wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:19 pmSo you are against pressure groups then!
So, for example, you’re against MigrationWatch U.K., the Taxpayers Alliance, Oxfam, Amnesty International, Vote Leave, Christian Aid and CND who are all listed as U.K. pressure groups.
Putting pressure on an organisation to do something is an established method of achieving your aims. Now it’s up to you whether you agree with those aims or not (and I certainly don’t agree with all the examples I listed above) but to claim that attempting to influence an organisation to do something is ‘stifling freedom of speech’ means you think every pressure group is doing the same.
FYI - I’m not a communist.
I'm happy, for example, for a pressure group to lobby a government to stop genocidal acts, or to stop torturing people etc.
I'm not a fan of pressure groups who just exist to prevent someone expressing an opinion, to stop them saying something some people don't want to hear or to shut down debate or whatever.
I tend to take each pressure group on merit I suppose.
So thats a no for your question about having an issue with pressure groups that I like
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It comes as no surprise , what so ever , that you wont answer the question I asked
"Would that be in the very same way that stop funding "hate", aren't against all publications, just the ones they don’t agree with?"
They appear to have a very specific definition of "hate" , and a selective definition of those who they target, dont they!?
Its publications that dont share their opinion.
It's what the left are good at. Winning democratic elections, not so good!
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If you believe that the tide hasn't turned , and the majority of people haven't seen BLM for the Marxist terrorist organisation for what it is. Then you're even more of a metropolitan bubble dweller than I ever thought you were!aggi wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:07 pmStrangely apt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188788
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Have a great weekend Ringophiles
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Plenty of anti cancel culture hypocrites on the right encouraging cancelling the National Trust.
Personally I think there's far more damaging and dangerous things to worry about such as how much influence the super rich have on the press and our politics that absolutely dwarfs the effects of this so called 'cancel culture'
Still the bootlickers cant upset their masters so this is the social media nonsense they will have to settle for to express their rage and self righteousness
Personally I think there's far more damaging and dangerous things to worry about such as how much influence the super rich have on the press and our politics that absolutely dwarfs the effects of this so called 'cancel culture'
Still the bootlickers cant upset their masters so this is the social media nonsense they will have to settle for to express their rage and self righteousness
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Marxist terrorists, clearly some leftover words now Corbyn isn't in the news.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:39 pmIf you believe that the tide hasn't turned , and the majority of people haven't seen BLM for the Marxist terrorist organisation for what it is. Then you're even more of a metropolitan bubble dweller than I ever thought you were!
I hope you've let our football club know about the Marxist terrorists that they're supporting.
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Does this that by default Ringsy, in his own words, is supporting Marxist terrorists by supporting Burnley?
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When have I ever advocated that? Disagree with me by all means, but why attribute to me a position that I don’t hold?dsr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:41 pmI suppose it's another step towards your definition of a free press. The press will never be truly free until it has to print only that news which it is told to by the government. You can't have a free press when the press can print what it likes.
That's about it, isn't it?
You can’t have a free press when billionaire owners interfere in editorial decisions, and have news reported in ways that support their agendas - is what I’ve said before.
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Are you somehow directly wired into the public consciousness up in Burnley, while I munch my quinoa in London, surrounded only by ethnic Marxists?RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:39 pmIf you believe that the tide hasn't turned , and the majority of people haven't seen BLM for the Marxist terrorist organisation for what it is. Then you're even more of a metropolitan bubble dweller than I ever thought you were!
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Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:45 pmPlenty of anti cancel culture hypocrites on the right encouraging cancelling the National Trust.
Personally I think there's far more damaging and dangerous things to worry about such as how much influence the super rich have on the press and our politics that absolutely dwarfs the effects of this so called 'cancel culture'
Still the bootlickers cant upset their masters so this is the social media nonsense they will have to settle for to express their rage and self righteousness
Would that be the National trust that's openly acknowledging that approx 90 properties in their portfolio have historical links to the slave trade/colonialism ?
It won't be the right demanding they do anything about them and you know that already.
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The right are pushing for people to cancel their membership to the NT because they are not happy with how the NT choose to describe the history links to their sitesGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:04 pmWould that be the National trust that's openly acknowledging that approx 90 properties in their portfolio have historical links to the slave trade/colonialism ?
It won't be the right demanding they do anything about them and you know that already.
I couldnt care less if these people want to try and cancel the NT (though I find it funny that these people are usually huge critics of cancel culture) cos as I said there's much more important stuff to worry about than these stupid social media culture wars
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The BLM/lefties will push far far harder if they get the sudden urge or they're bored.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:13 pmThe right are pushing for people to cancel their membership to the NT because they are not happy with how the NT choose to describe the history links to their sites
I couldnt care less if these people want to try and cancel the NT (though I find it funny that these people are usually huge critics of cancel culture) cos as I said there's much more important stuff to worry about than these stupid social media culture wars
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Left wingers ripping up their memberships like this one?GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:04 pmWould that be the National trust that's openly acknowledging that approx 90 properties in their portfolio have historical links to the slave trade/colonialism ?
It won't be the right demanding they do anything about them and you know that already.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13398 ... atest-news
Or this one? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... avery.html
Or these people?
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 85026.html
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My point is that its all a load of boll*cks from both sides and my real example adds some balance that you proclaim to love and defend. Maybe balance only works one way in your worldGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:14 pmThe BLM/lefties will push far far harder if they get the sudden urge or they're bored.
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It is utter ******** from both sides, but the left tend to be the worst for itDevils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:25 pmMy point is that its all a load of boll*cks from both sides and my real example adds some balance that you proclaim to love and defend. Maybe balance only works one way in your world
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Probably but then the right hold all the power and wealth that means they get to set the rules and narrative and weight things in their favourGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:42 pmIt is utter ******** from both sides, but the left tend to be the worst for it
As Ive said this cancel culture obsession is small fry nonsense when it comes to what really poses a threat to our freedom and way of life so you can join the back of the queue to get upset about those nasty lefties as I couldnt give a rats arse on how you choose to waste your own time and energy
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I think it's only classed as cancel culture if it's done by the left. If it's the right then it's the silent majority's will.
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Left and right seem to like trying to out do each other, some of them need to spend more time watching adult videos online to relieve their stress.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:52 pmProbably but then the right hold all the power and wealth that means they get to set the rules and narrative and weight things in their favour
As Ive said this cancel culture obsession is small fry nonsense when it comes to what really poses a threat to our freedom and way of life so you can join the back of the queue to get upset about those nasty lefties as I couldnt give a rats arse on how you choose to waste your own time and energy
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Well do let us all know if you find any good onesGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:56 pmLeft and right seem to like trying to out do each other, some of them need to spend more time watching adult videos online to relieve their stress.
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The "billionaires own all the newspapers" nonsense falls down as soon as you start asking who owns the guardian though (and don't even mention how it was established in the first place. Will be the last we hear from all the people who hate anyone who has the same coloured skin as anyone who traded slaves hundreds of years ago) the difference is, the Guardian is going to be cancelled by people who can't be bothered to finance its nonsense, as opposed to people who want the more successful publications cancelled because they feel ashamed about buying and being annoyed by it, then pretending they have read it in the works canteen
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Everybody has the same coloured skin as people who traded slaves hundreds of years ago. (OK, maybe not David Dickinson.)
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Not sure how a thread about a gay night out at some poo concert got onto the subject of free speech, but GENOCIDE IS JUST FREE SPEECH WITH MY HANDS! STOP SUPPRESSING MY FREE SPEECH!!!
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I’ve never said billionaires own all the press. The owner of the Daily Mail isn’t a billionaire, but a few hundred million short.Damo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:12 pmThe "billionaires own all the newspapers" nonsense falls down as soon as you start asking who owns the guardian though (and don't even mention how it was established in the first place. Will be the last we hear from all the people who hate anyone who has the same coloured skin as anyone who traded slaves hundreds of years ago) the difference is, the Guardian is going to be cancelled by people who can't be bothered to finance its nonsense, as opposed to people who want the more successful publications cancelled because they feel ashamed about buying and being annoyed by it, then pretending they have read it in the works canteen
The Guardian is probably our best national paper. Honest, forthright, and not plagued by the scandals exposed by Leveson. Not to your liking from a political persuasion, but you can’t have everything. And we’re they slavers? Bring it out into the open, I say. All of it.