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Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:51 pm

Apologies if I'm jumping the gun, but can someone explain why there never appears to be anything resembling a statement or explanation from our chairman regarding our finances (or lack of)?

If there was some sort of indication to the fans, as to why we're unlikely to be making a key signing this window, then at least we'd have a better understanding of the situation and we could debate it accordingly.

By saying nothing, it only fuels resentment and cynicism, and thus brings out the more outlandish statements from certain posters.

It's not a lot to ask, is it?
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:52 pm

He seemed rather keener to speak when things were going well
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:53 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:51 pm
Apologies if I'm jumping the gun, but can someone explain why there never appears to be anything resembling a statement or explanation from our chairman regarding our finances (or lack of)?

If there was some sort of indication to the fans, as to why we're unlikely to be making a key signing this window, then at least we'd have a better understanding of the situation and we could debate it accordingly.

By saying nothing, it only fuels resentment and cynicism, and thus brings out the more outlandish statements from certain posters.

It's not a lot to ask, is it?
One explanation could be that he employs someone to do that, namely the chief exec. You tend not to hear from owners really but the paid hand at most clubs. It's never Lewis but Levy at Spurs for example or Woodward not a Glazer at Man U.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Wokingclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:54 pm

Unless they work at Fulham

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:53 pm
One explanation could be that he employs someone to do that, namely the chief exec. You tend not to hear from owners really but the paid hand at most clubs. It's never Lewis but Levy at Spurs for example or Woodward not a Glazer at Man U.
do we hear from our Chief exec ? (genuine question, I haven't noticed)

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:55 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:54 pm
Unless they work at Fulham
Ha ha - that is a car crash of a club

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:55 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:54 pm
do we hear from our Chief exec ? (genuine question, I haven't noticed)
That's a different question

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:53 pm
One explanation could be that he employs someone to do that, namely the chief exec. You tend not to hear from owners really but the paid hand at most clubs. It's never Lewis but Levy at Spurs for example or Woodward not a Glazer at Man U.
It doesn't make it right, though.

They should communicate with us better. But they have their toes in other waters so it's often not their main concern.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:56 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:52 pm
He seemed rather keener to speak when things were going well
Brendan Flood's the one who hogs the limelight when things are going well
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:53 pm
One explanation could be that he employs someone to do that, namely the chief exec. You tend not to hear from owners really but the paid hand at most clubs. It's never Lewis but Levy at Spurs for example or Woodward not a Glazer at Man U.
I get that, but it's not like we're bombarded with information from him either.

Just a statement explaining the financial situation and where we're at in terms of our transfer policy/network would be helpful.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Vino blanco » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:56 pm

He's busy in the dry powder cellar, stock taking how much dry powder we have left.
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by claretblue » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:58 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:55 pm
That's a different question
I'll ask it then...why don't we ever hear a statement or explanation from the chairman via the CEO?

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:58 pm

We had a Chief Exec previously but we seemed to hear more from Mr Garlick than we did from Mr Baldwin . I certainly recall end of season "catch ups " with Darren Bentley when the Chairman was only too happy to talk about the club's finances

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:02 pm

Do you REALLY need somebody to tell you that the club hasn't got a pot to pi$$ in when it comes to signing new players? :cry:

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:04 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:02 pm
Do you REALLY need somebody to tell you that the club hasn't got a pot to pi$$ in when it comes to signing new players? :cry:
If that's the truth, then yeah, I'd like it confirmed.
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by MACCA » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:04 pm

Maybe he is embarrassed at answering the inevitable awkward questions.

The " we aim to finish windows stronger than when we started them" line is hardly the most successful track record to date.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:04 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:02 pm
Do you REALLY need somebody to tell you that the club hasn't got a pot to pi$$ in when it comes to signing new players? :cry:
If only to save us having to hear SD repeat himself twice a week...

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:06 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:02 pm
Do you REALLY need somebody to tell you that the club hasn't got a pot to pi$$ in when it comes to signing new players? :cry:
I think you're missing the point. We lack communication.

That's what I think the OP is on about.
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by warksclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:14 pm

Its a very valid question of the OP.After all the customers of any company or organinisation are KING. We promote this one club family mentality thats meant to set us apart from the big consortium owned clubs in the PL. Sadly we don't behave like one., and we have the personnel in place to both identify and action this and there is a major lack of transparency and forward planning at times like these.

I dont know if anyone feels like me at present, but I have never felt so disengaged with a club I have followed and loved since 1962. And I liken this transfer window to watching a close member of your family dying, but they are denied any medical assistance

It comes down to -Do they care about the fans?. Do they value the fans? There has never been a stronger argument for keeping the companies life blood informed

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:15 pm

In the same way I do t often hear from the owner of many businesses that I am a customer of. Stop feeling so entitled because it’s a football club.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:16 pm

SD stated that the club policy was to sell first and buy second.

The fact that we haven't sold anyone to raise the required funds means that significant signings are out of financial reach.

SD wanted to retain the players that he had and so I suppose chose the path he wanted to go down.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ClaretEngineer » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:17 pm

You probably hear from any chairman once year at the absolute best. Normally around April time when the new Financial Year is among us and you’re told the company has had a difficult year yet again and that they’re in the same boat as us.

More often than not it’s the CEO who gets delegated this task.

Communication at all levels at BFC is poor at best.
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:19 pm

But it wasn't long ago it was said we are no longer in a position where we need to see players, I'd argue we do at some point very soon or we will simply run out of money

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ewanrob » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:25 pm

I bet our CEO is wishing hed gone to Huddersfield now. ..theres s**tstorms and theres s**tstorms

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:28 pm

SD did say that we were in a financial position where we didn't need to sell players but then later said, when asked about incoming transfers, that the club policy was to SELL first and BUY second.

All of our key players who would command a sizeable fee are still here.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ashtonlongsider » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:28 pm

In times like the present, I think we need the man at the top being more prominent and forthcoming. It's like the Pandemic, rightly or wrongly you can gauge the feel better if Boris speaks to the nation. Sorry for the analogy.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:28 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:15 pm
In the same way I do t often hear from the owner of many businesses that I am a customer of. Stop feeling so entitled because it’s a football club.
I'm not asking to know the minutiae of every financial aspect of the club, just a general, basic statement of why we don't appear to be attracting the calibre of player we no doubt need.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:30 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:28 pm
In times like the present, I think we need the man at the top being more prominent and forthcoming. It's like the Pandemic, rightly or wrongly you can gauge the feel better if Boris speaks to the nation. Sorry for the analogy.
In that case, I take back everything I've previously said.

I immediately feel worse whenever Boris speaks.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:31 pm

He’s probably regretting talking ******** about how our aim is to end every transfer window with a stronger squad.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by dsr » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:33 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:51 pm
Apologies if I'm jumping the gun, but can someone explain why there never appears to be anything resembling a statement or explanation from our chairman regarding our finances (or lack of)?

If there was some sort of indication to the fans, as to why we're unlikely to be making a key signing this window, then at least we'd have a better understanding of the situation and we could debate it accordingly.

By saying nothing, it only fuels resentment and cynicism, and thus brings out the more outlandish statements from certain posters.

It's not a lot to ask, is it?
Probably because he thinks a public row with Dyche is worse than a one-sided continuous snipe.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:35 pm

Its one area where I've found Garlick left wanting. You can't get him away from TV and media when things are rosey, however his communication when things aren't going so well has always left a lot to be desired (a Pete Winkleman lite in this area imo)
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:36 pm

Maybe he’s been self isolating for the last 7 months?

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Top Claret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:39 pm

Something must be in the making with a takeover, why all this silence then?

We get nothing from the club, we appear to be marooned at sea with the skipper lost overboard. We need some leadership and Garlick isn't given us this
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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:43 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:15 pm
In the same way I do t often hear from the owner of many businesses that I am a customer of. Stop feeling so entitled because it’s a football club.
Depends whether you see yourself as merely a " customer " of BFC and if you do, whether its just on a par with with all those other businesses

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Spijed » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:44 pm

Of all the Premier league clubs, how many chairmen give interviews?

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Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:48 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:44 pm
Of all the Premier league clubs, how many chairmen give interviews?
I haven't asked him to do an interview.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:49 pm

We are in the midst of a pandemic, football clubs have been hard hit by the closure of grounds to spectators and have lost all match day income. Added to that is the threat of some of the TV income having to be repaid at some point. Burnley, unlike most other clubs in the PL and many in the Championship, have no multi-millionaire investors with deep pockets to plough money in when the going gets tough. In that respect Burnley are like many clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 who are financed by local businessmen. They are wealthy but not billionaires. Clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 are asking for a bailout to stop them going bust.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Royboyclaret » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:54 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:28 pm
I'm not asking to know the minutiae of every financial aspect of the club, just a general, basic statement of why we don't appear to be attracting the calibre of player we no doubt need.
It's all there in the financial accounts and on the Magic Money Tree thread on here.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:59 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:28 pm
I'm not asking to know the minutiae of every financial aspect of the club, just a general, basic statement of why we don't appear to be attracting the calibre of player we no doubt need.
We can’t afford the fees and wages, especially when our main targets are players who are already settled in the UK and would fit in with our existing team philosophy and style

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:20 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:59 pm
We can’t afford the fees and wages, especially when our main targets are players who are already settled in the UK and would fit in with our existing team philosophy and style
If it's really as simple as that, then why are there so many threads and comments on here stating that Dyche is useless, Garlick is useless etc etc?

:roll:

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:23 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:51 pm
Apologies if I'm jumping the gun, but can someone explain why there never appears to be anything resembling a statement or explanation from our chairman regarding our finances (or lack of)?

If there was some sort of indication to the fans, as to why we're unlikely to be making a key signing this window, then at least we'd have a better understanding of the situation and we could debate it accordingly.

By saying nothing, it only fuels resentment and cynicism, and thus brings out the more outlandish statements from certain posters.

It's not a lot to ask, is it?
Hi fidel, Mike Garlick made a statement in April when the accounts were published for the financial year to 30-Jun-2019. MG forecasted that, if the 2019/20 season wasn't completed, it would cost Burnley £50 million. Of course, since then, the remaining 9 games were played - but with no fans. Cuts in tv income have also been discussed with Sky/BT deals rebates, but not for last season. Alongside that Chinese deal (the largest of overseas deals) has been cancelled with £160 million unpaid. In recent weeks, we've learnt that fans aren't returning to grounds any time soon - so, more reductions in tv income, I'd expect.

If the Reuters report (23 Sept) about potential new investor in the club has any basis, I wouldn't expect Mike Garlick/any club officials to make a statement about finances until the ALK Capital activity has either (a) progressed or (b) gone away.

Thinking about other clubs, whether they have been spending this window or not, how many of those have had Chairman or anyone else come out and said "we have got £X million to spend" or "no money to spend" or anything in between?

Of course, Sean Dyche is asked at every press conference - and, in one way or another, he aims to deflect or say "nothing is happening" or "we are interested in Messi." I think we are used to Sean Dyche's approach to aim to use humour to distract from his policy of "not speaking about other clubs' players."

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:28 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:49 pm
We are in the midst of a pandemic, football clubs have been hard hit by the closure of grounds to spectators and have lost all match day income. Added to that is the threat of some of the TV income having to be repaid at some point. Burnley, unlike most other clubs in the PL and many in the Championship, have no multi-millionaire investors with deep pockets to plough money in when the going gets tough. In that respect Burnley are like many clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 who are financed by local businessmen. They are wealthy but not billionaires. Clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 are asking for a bailout to stop them going bust.
Spot on.
You never know, posters demanding an "explanation" or whatever from the chairman - God knows why he should - might not like what they hear.
The penny will drop eventually and the reality you've outlined, kenton, might actually sink in.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ewanrob » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:29 pm

Twitter...Not that it's real gauge on peoples feelings, but theres an awful lot of posts saying people are emailing the club wanting season ticket refunds on the back of this....if done in large numbers...its sending quite a message out there.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:30 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:29 pm
Twitter...Not that it's real gauge on peoples feelings, but theres an awful lot of posts saying people are emailing the club wanting season ticket refunds on the back of this....if done in large numbers...its sending quite a message out there.
They can't get to the game anyway so not sure what good that will do.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by ClaretAL » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:31 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:28 pm
Spot on.
You never know, posters demanding an "explanation" or whatever from the chairman - God knows why he should - might not like what they hear.
The penny will drop eventually and the reality you've outlined, kenton, might actually sink in.
I understand the basis on this, but then Dyche doesn't come across as being behind the curve, so why would he be so outspoken if that was the case?

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:32 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:23 pm
Hi fidel, Mike Garlick made a statement in April when the accounts were published for the financial year to 30-Jun-2019. MG forecasted that, if the 2019/20 season wasn't completed, it would cost Burnley £50 million. Of course, since then, the remaining 9 games were played - but with no fans. Cuts in tv income have also been discussed with Sky/BT deals rebates, but not for last season. Alongside that Chinese deal (the largest of overseas deals) has been cancelled with £160 million unpaid. In recent weeks, we've learnt that fans aren't returning to grounds any time soon - so, more reductions in tv income, I'd expect.

If the Reuters report (23 Sept) about potential new investor in the club has any basis, I wouldn't expect Mike Garlick/any club officials to make a statement about finances until the ALK Capital activity has either (a) progressed or (b) gone away.

Thinking about other clubs, whether they have been spending this window or not, how many of those have had Chairman or anyone else come out and said "we have got £X million to spend" or "no money to spend" or anything in between?

Of course, Sean Dyche is asked at every press conference - and, in one way or another, he aims to deflect or say "nothing is happening" or "we are interested in Messi." I think we are used to Sean Dyche's approach to aim to use humour to distract from his policy of "not speaking about other clubs' players."

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Thanks Paul. That's settled then.

As Edmund Blackadder said, we're as poor as the church mouse who's just arrived home to find that Mrs mouse has ran off with all the cheese.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by evensteadiereddie » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:33 pm

The pandemic-related refunds will be made anyway.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by Sproggy » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:35 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:49 pm
We are in the midst of a pandemic, football clubs have been hard hit by the closure of grounds to spectators and have lost all match day income. Added to that is the threat of some of the TV income having to be repaid at some point. Burnley, unlike most other clubs in the PL and many in the Championship, have no multi-millionaire investors with deep pockets to plough money in when the going gets tough. In that respect Burnley are like many clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 who are financed by local businessmen. They are wealthy but not billionaires. Clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 are asking for a bailout to stop them going bust.
That doesn't explain why we've ended up in a position where we have the oldest squad in the Premier League, 13 players in the final year of their contracts or no cover in key positions on the right wing or central defence. This neglect of the first team squad has been going on for several years and the current situation has brought it to a head. Garlick has steered us into a right mess.

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:42 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:33 pm
The pandemic-related refunds will be made anyway.
Why do you keep banging on about that?

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Re: Why don't we ever hear from the chairman?

Post by diamondpocket » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:44 pm

really, 13 players out of contract. Who are they?

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