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He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:32 am

He always seems to talk sense does Gary, I often find myself agreeing with him when he is in the sky studio or co commentating.
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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:37 am

In and Out - works both ways.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:42 am

Neville sickened me the other day when I was watching Man U v Spurs - his supposed co-commentary was more like a Manchester United documentary. I think he's a good pundit but it is time Sky kept him off Man U games.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by Leisure » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:43 am

Correct, the Board did great in keeping Tarks, McNeil etc. UTC

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by conyoviejo » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:43 am

Badly run clubs my @rse!! All the transfer market does is feed the clubs with all the money.
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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:43 am

Leisure wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:43 am
Correct, the Board did great in keeping Tarks, McNeil etc. UTC
I wouldn't be so sure of that Leisure

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:51 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:42 am
Neville sickened me the other day when I was watching Man U v Spurs - his supposed co-commentary was more like a Manchester United documentary. I think he's a good pundit but it is time Sky kept him off Man U games.
Agree regards Man Utd, he's too passionate and too much of a fan to be doing their games.

I've seen behind the scene clips when he's been co commentating, and he's often cheering or celebrating goals etc
He therefore cant possibly be impartial, have a clear mind and have a neutral view.

But then same can be said for Carragher.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:56 am

MACCA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:51 am
Agree regards Man Utd, he's too passionate and too much of a fan to be doing their games.

I've seen behind the scene clips when he's been co commentating, and he's often cheering or celebrating goals etc
He therefore cant possibly be impartial, have a clear mind and have a neutral view.

But then same can be said for Carragher.
I don't think Carragher is anywhere near as bad. He's very pro-Liverpool but he doesn't go on and on and on like Neville does about United. Hardly a word for Spurs on Sunday who scored six times. Mind you, I do struggle to understand what Carragher says at times. :D

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by Leisure » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:56 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:43 am
I wouldn't be so sure of that Leisure
Not sure that it was great to have kept them or not sure that they aren't going?

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:03 am

Leisure wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:56 am
Not sure that it was great to have kept them or not sure that they aren't going?
All irrelevant now, but I got told off a couple of people ( may have started from the same place ) but Tarky asked to talk to other clubs and expressed his desire to leave.

Not sure how true it is, or whether it has or will effect the rest of his time here.

I was never against us selling him at a peak price this summer, allowing Mr Dyche to strengthen 3 areas of the team with the funds brought in.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by dsr » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:05 am

MACCA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:03 am
All irrelevant now, but I got told off a couple of people ( may have started from the same place ) but Tarky asked to talk to other clubs and expressed his desire to leave.

Not sure how true it is, or whether it has or will effect the rest of his time here.

I was never against us selling him at a peak price this summer, allowing Mr Dyche to strengthen 3 areas of the team with the funds brought in.
For approx £25m you think we could have bought Tarkowski's replacement AND at least two other players better than what we have now?

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by BertiesBeehole » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:11 am

Leisure wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:56 am
Not sure that it was great to have kept them or not sure that they aren't going?
Probably not sure it was the board who insisted they stay at the club - more like SD

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:13 am

dsr wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:05 am
For approx £25m you think we could have bought Tarkowski's replacement AND at least two other players better than what we have now?
With the little funds we currently have in the pot, plus say 25m from the Tarky sale, I do think we could have added 2 or 3 players.

For instance ( just 3 names linked ) i think
Wilson
Worrall
Dawaon

Could have all been brought in for 35m

Not saying they are better than Tarky, but after being Dyched I believe the defender of choice wouldn't weaken us too much, whilst the other 2 improve the squad are at least capable replacements as 3rd choice CB and back up winger.
Wilson could arguably be an improvement on what we have and/or develop to become a 1st team regular.
Also we are bringing the squad age down and giving the best chance of them becoming part of the conveyor belt like Tarky, Pope and Taylor did.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by kentonclaret » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:18 am

Covid has affected the finances of all football clubs and those in the Championship and below will want to ensure they receive the maximum that they can get before selling. The notion that in the current climate proven players at Championship level can be picked up for £10 million is fanciful.

Just check out the transfer fees for Ollie Watkins and Eberechi Eze since everybody says that we need a wide player.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:24 am

Leisure wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:56 am
Not sure that it was great to have kept them or not sure that they aren't going?
Not so sure on the board keeping them

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:25 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:18 am
Covid has affected the finances of all football clubs and those in the Championship and below will want to ensure they receive the maximum that they can get before selling. The notion that in the current climate proven players at Championship level can be picked up for £10 million is fanciful.

Just check out the transfer fees for Ollie Watkins and Eberechi Eze.
I agree but they were absolute top class performers and stand out players in that league last season.

The same cant be said for the like of

Ellieson (sp)
Worrall
Dawson etc

I just dont think we can start the season with Long as 3rd choice CB
With no back up RW, and only 3 wingers in total, therefore pinning our hopes on Brady and JBG remain fit all season long.
If they dont, it means al midfield reshuffle and square pegs in round holes.
We can see early on that it totally effects our attacking play once we start plugging gaps with players out of position

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by Dyched » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:29 am

MACCA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:13 am
With the little funds we currently have in the pot, plus say 25m from the Tarky sale, I do think we could have added 2 or 3 players.

For instance ( just 3 names linked ) i think
Wilson
Worrall
Dawaon

Could have all been brought in for 35m

Not saying they are better than Tarky, but after being Dyched I believe the defender of choice wouldn't weaken us too much, whilst the other 2 improve the squad are at least capable replacements as 3rd choice CB and back up winger.
Wilson could arguably be an improvement on what we have and/or develop to become a 1st team regular.
Also we are bringing the squad age down and giving the best chance of them becoming part of the conveyor belt like Tarky, Pope and Taylor did.
So you’ve basically made up an offer that nobody had placed for Tarkowski to invent up some random agenda against the club?

Have a pop all you want. But the reality is, nobody made an acceptable offer for him. So don’t start spending that money and say here’s what we should’ve done.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by kentonclaret » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:30 am

Sean Dyche speaking on the prospect of James Tarkowski leaving Burnley in the last transfer window

"It will be a board decision. I certainly want to keep him make no mistake" Dyche said.

"He is a very important player here and I feel it is very important that we keep him"

What message would Garlick have been sending to Dyche if Tarkowski was sold above his head and how further fractured would the relationship have become?

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:33 am

Dyched wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:29 am
So you’ve basically made up an offer that nobody had placed for Tarkowski to invent up some random agenda against the club?

Have a pop all you want. But the reality is, nobody made an acceptable offer for him. So don’t start spending that money and say here’s what we should’ve done.
I believe an offer did come in for him, just not enough
I also believe if 40m was met he would have been sold.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by tarkys_ears » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:36 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:24 am
Not so sure on the board keeping them
Are you saying Dyche tell both the board and tarky that he's going nowhere?

Both seemed to think they were off.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:38 am

tarkys_ears wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:36 am
Are you saying Dyche tell both the board and tarky that he's going nowhere?

Both seemed to think they were off.
Dyche has consistently said Tarkowski wasn't going anywhere unless it was taken out of his hands
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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by Dyched » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:40 am

MACCA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:33 am
I believe an offer did come in for him, just not enough
I also believe if 40m was met he would have been sold.
We know we got offers and not enough was offered. So you made it up just to have a pop.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by Leisure » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:41 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:24 am
Not so sure on the board keeping them
OK but as the Board get blamed by many fans for not making signings, so it's not unreasonable that they should be praised for retaining players.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by CFS » Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:57 am

MACCA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:51 am
I've seen behind the scene clips when he's been co commentating, and he's often cheering or celebrating goals etc
He therefore cant possibly be impartial, have a clear mind and have a neutral view.
Mate he's allowed to celebrate his team scoring a goal he's commentating were not their to watch him but listen so not his problem if they want to do behind the scenes or not.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by aggi » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:06 pm

The past few months seems to have been quite revisionist, everything good is down to Dyche, everything bad is down to the board/Garlick.

Signings like Walters, Lennon and Crouch have become entirely the board's fault with Dyche just a patsy accepting what he's given. The lack of young signings is also the board's fault, Dyche now doesn't seem to have any say in the transfers that have happened in the past five years. All the previous thoughts that Dyche was pretty picky in terms of his players, their character, history, etc was all a fiction it seems.

By all means complain, this window hasn't gone well (although given the budget restraints it's not that surprising) and that has thrown into stark relief the issues from the previous windows where we brought in seasoned pros and have dropped off from bringing up players to plug the gaps.

This rewriting of history is tiresome though. Do people really think that Dyche has spent years just accepting what has been foisted on him and hasn't been a willing participant in our transfer strategy?

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by Rumbletonk » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:10 pm

CFS wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:57 am
Mate he's allowed to celebrate his team scoring a goal he's commentating were not their to watch him but listen so not his problem if they want to do behind the scenes or not.
Run that by me again

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by diamondpocket » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:11 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:06 pm
The past few months seems to have been quite revisionist, everything good is down to Dyche, everything bad is down to the board/Garlick.

Signings like Walters, Lennon and Crouch have become entirely the board's fault with Dyche just a patsy accepting what he's given. The lack of young signings is also the board's fault, Dyche now doesn't seem to have any say in the transfers that have happened in the past five years. All the previous thoughts that Dyche was pretty picky in terms of his players, their character, history, etc was all a fiction it seems.

By all means complain, this window hasn't gone well (although given the budget restraints it's not that surprising) and that has thrown into stark relief the issues from the previous windows where we brought in seasoned pros and have dropped off from bringing up players to plug the gaps.

This rewriting of history is tiresome though. Do people really think that Dyche has spent years just accepting what has been foisted on him and hasn't been a willing participant in our transfer strategy?
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Maybe Dyche's pickiness has come about and emerged as he's been in the job and he has taken that strategy due to the club's financial budgets/philosophy? And he's done pretty damn well I'd say. Of course he's had input and some of the players because he's done what's best for the club and by the board's backing.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:20 pm

CFS wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:57 am
Mate he's allowed to celebrate his team scoring a goal he's commentating were not their to watch him but listen so not his problem if they want to do behind the scenes or not.
I agree, so maybe it's better he watches man Utd as a fan then and not someone bring paid to be a neutral co commentator or summarise for the viewers.

I like him, but his passion is evident, and as CT says sometimes ends up side tracking from what is actually happening in the game and it becomes the Gary sorting out Man Utd issues show.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:21 pm

Dyched wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:40 am
We know we got offers and not enough was offered. So you made it up just to have a pop.
Where have I had a pop?

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by jojomk1 » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:21 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:41 am
OK but as the Board get blamed by many fans for not making signings, so it's not unreasonable that they should be praised for retaining players.
Should the Board be praised, or Dyche who maybe stood up to them on this matter insisting Tarks should remain

By the term Board, the reference is obviously to Garlick

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by ashtonlongsider » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:31 pm

I think the number one objective at our club is to get the kids coming through to the first team. It does seem to be gaining momentum and only time will tell whether it becomes the production line of success we experienced in the late 60's and early 70'. Until then, I think, and I've thought this for a good while the strategy is to buy experienced and ageing (in football speak ) journeymen. Dangerous strategy as some of our signing over recent years will reflect. It is what it is, and is by no means ideal for the supporters or would I suggest the manager.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by Leisure » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:37 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:21 pm
Should the Board be praised, or Dyche who maybe stood up to them on this matter insisting Tarks should remain

By the term Board, the reference is obviously to Garlick
Don't know, just like none of us do!

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by aggi » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:38 pm

diamondpocket wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:11 pm
Maybe Dyche's pickiness has come about and emerged as he's been in the job and he has taken that strategy due to the club's financial budgets/philosophy? And he's done pretty damn well I'd say. Of course he's had input and some of the players because he's done what's best for the club and by the board's backing.
I'm sure it's linked and I agree he's done well, we're still in the Premier League after all.

What I'm disagreeing with is the new narrative that puts everything bad at the board's door as if Dyche hasn't had any say in things. No-one knows what say Dyche has in these things (although you can take guesses from his personality), the board, Rigg, chief exec, etc but plenty of people have settled on this new reality as fact.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by Elizabeth » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:48 pm

Every player has a price regardless of how much a manager wants to keep that player.
Garlick should be credited with the decision to keep Tarkowski at the club not Dyche.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MrTopTier » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:48 pm

MACCA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:32 am
He always seems to talk sense does Gary, I often find myself agreeing with him when he is in the sky studio or co commentating.
To be honest, I think that is a dig at Utd. Main target Sancho pursued all Summer, not made the offer as stipulated, missed the deadline as requested by Dortmund. Then panic bought on the final day.

City, Liverpool and Chelsea all did their business accordingly.

I can see why it could be applied to us, but until COVID came along we are the aspirational definition of a well run club. I am not ignoring the problems as there are many, but we are are not a badly run club.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by MACCA » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:00 pm

MrTopTier wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:48 pm
To be honest, I think that is a dig at Utd. Main target Sancho pursued all Summer, not made the offer as stipulated, missed the deadline as requested by Dortmund. Then panic bought on the final day.

City, Liverpool and Chelsea all did their business accordingly.

I can see why it could be applied to us, but until COVID came along we are the aspirational definition of a well run club. I am not ignoring the problems as there are many, but we are are not a badly run club.
I agree with that.

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Re: He talks a lot of sense

Post by CFS » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:36 pm

MACCA wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:20 pm
I agree, so maybe it's better he watches man Utd as a fan then and not someone bring paid to be a neutral co commentator or summarise for the viewers.

I like him, but his passion is evident, and as CT says sometimes ends up side tracking from what is actually happening in the game and it becomes the Gary sorting out Man Utd issues show.
I can't recall hearing him celebrate a united goal can you?
It's clear sky don't mind him commentating the way he does so it's everyone's opinion I think tbh. I like his commentary.

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