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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:36 pm

LAM wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:00 pm
Do we know how many times we are on Sky (non PPV) for the games that have been announced?
Just one, against Spurs
https://www.uptheclarets.com/spurs-game ... n-coverage

Always on the fixtures page too
https://www.uptheclarets.com/fixtures-r ... 1-fixtures
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by aggi » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:40 pm

Given it's now on Box Office I wonder why it's been rearranged to such an annoying time.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:41 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:40 pm
Given it's now on Box Office I wonder why it's been rearranged to such an annoying time.
3pm on a Saturday?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:42 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:40 pm
Given it's now on Box Office I wonder why it's been rearranged to such an annoying time.
So that it doesn't clash with the other games scheduled and because it's probably the game that's likely to have the least demand/interest.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:42 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:41 pm
3pm on a Saturday?
No, 5:30pm on Monday.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Billy Balfour » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:43 pm

Paulclaret wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:04 pm
I'm 67 years old and have been a season ticket holder for over 50 years, but I'm seriously getting totally fed up with football. I certainly won't be paying £15 to watch a game at 5.30pm on a Monday!
I must admit that I'm getting fed up with the grasping money making machine its become. £15.00 to watch 90 minutes of football when I already forked out for Sky Sports and BT? No chance of me paying any more dosh out and this is more about principle rather than trying to economise. In fact, when I'm out of contract I'll be ditching Sky altogether and I'll go the Freesat route with a couple of HDR boxes.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Burnley87 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:43 pm

Wonder if this is due to the widespread closures to pubs & hospitality and are filling the gaps from the lost incomes

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by MACCA » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:43 pm

Jenny55 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:02 pm
The thing is Macca, at £15 a game people from multiple households probably will gather to watch, which could create further infections.
We won’t be paying the £15 per game in our household. It’s not because we cannot afford it, it is simply because it doesn’t represent good value to watch what are essentially training matches. Football is just not appealing at present.

I agree, however there will be ones who think it is good value.

Regard it's like watching a training match, it's not sky or the leagues fault that.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:45 pm

There's an argument for cancelling sky sports given how many times we are likely to be on that vs PPV

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Burnley87 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:48 pm

I enjoyed the end of last season, mainly because of the fact the months before were depressing. This season it wouldn’t bother me if I watched the highlights. The product is really dissapointing and without going on the game it’s hard to feel connected to it

Added the fact the pubs are closed and you can’t meet friends and watch the game together it makes it not worth the money

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by daveisaclaret » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:50 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:40 pm
Given it's now on Box Office I wonder why it's been rearranged to such an annoying time.
So that they can continue offering as many games as possible for fans in foreign markets to watch.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:50 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:43 pm
I must admit that I'm getting fed up with the grasping money making machine its become. £15.00 to watch 90 minutes of football when I already forked out for Sky Sports and BT? No chance of me paying any more dosh out and this is more about principle rather than trying to economise. In fact, when I'm out of contract I'll be ditching Sky altogether and I'll go the Freesat route with a couple of HDR boxes.
Can I just point out again that it is not Sky and not BT Sport - this is the clubs who have done this and they will be claiming the money raised from those who pay to view.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by martin_p » Fri Oct 09, 2020 4:55 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:16 pm
Annoyingly this will impact on fans such as us more than fans of bigger clubs. The small number of times that Burnley are on TV will mean that Burnley fans will have to fork out a lot more than some of the other teams if they want to watch every game.
But isn’t it like that every season. Most of our games aren’t live and you have to fork out to travel to and attend the match if you want it live (legally anyway). A Sky subscription has always been better value for money for supporters of pretty much every other club in the Premier League (and lots in the Championship) than Burnley.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Jenny55 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:10 pm

What do you think our club will do about it, subsidise it? Not likely if they are taking a percentage of PPV revenue.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:58 pm
Might be worth confirming that this decision has NOT been taken by Sky & BT. It’s been taken by the clubs and it is the clubs who will get the money from those who pay the £14.95.
Thanks for pointing that out, I stand corrected.

Worth noting in relation to my general point earlier that Henry Winter, Ian Dennis and other high profile people are commenting on the “unsafe” angle of encouraging groups of people to gather together to watch these matches, outside of a (fairly) controlled pub environment. I expect that issue to start to gain traction, as well as the clubs = greed element.

Basically, it is a PR howler.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:14 pm

Only Leicester voted against. 19-1.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by PhiladelphiaChris » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:15 pm

$4.99 a month for me here. Not just for Burnley games but all premier league games that are not available on regular tv.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:16 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:11 pm
Thanks for pointing that out, I stand corrected.

Worth noting in relation to my general point earlier that Henry Winter, Ian Dennis and other high profile people are commenting on the “unsafe” angle of encouraging groups of people to gather together to watch these matches, outside of a (fairly) controlled pub environment. I expect that issue to start to gain traction, as well as the clubs = greed element.

Basically, it is a PR howler.
Totally agree. Three things I do know, or think I do.

1. Burnley voted in favour
2. Leicester voted against (spoken to someone at Leicester)
3. Ed Woodward, Man U, has spoken out against it

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:18 pm

What everyone seems to be missing is that this opens the door to what the big clubs have been wanting for ages - real numbers of PPV and for which games - it is another step closer to them creaming off a yet greater share of the money

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Dy1geo » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:20 pm

Will not be paying this, but people have to realise that to pay players £40k a week plus the money has to come from somewhere

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by clarethomer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:31 pm

What am I missing?

If a game is on Sky, you can watch it as part of your package (Assuming you are paying for Sky Sports).

If a game is not on Sky, the pre covid options were, pay for a ticket and go and watch live or stream this through unofficial means.

Covid has come in and there has been some good will with free to air games but it was never sustainable. The replacement offer is you can now buy a ticket again to watch the games that are not being televised to those who pay BT/Sky/Amazon for the pre-bought games. You will get your ST money back for those who have paid which will make it cost neutral for the home games you will pay for. If you choose to pay for the away games too - that's your choice but would certainly be cheaper than actually attending the game for sure.

All this calling out of this approach is encouraging groups of people to come together and it's going to be responsible for deaths and trying to apply the fault of this on the doors of others is the kind of victim mentality and outrage fit for any 'Karen' from facebook who finds things 'Discusting'.

Any individual who wants to see the game can now pay to watch the game.No differently to before covid.

To hold the club, tv provider or anybody else responsible because someone has taken the personal choice that their life is worth putting at risk for watching football and saving a few quid - is frankly ridiculous. To anyone who is happy to breach the rules of mixing of households and the wider impact this can have on their friends/family/communites to save a few quid is more concerning.

It's not the club who is making anyone do anything here - it's something that is called personal responsibility. If you can't afford to pay for the game - do what you would have done before Covid- resort to a stream.

All of this feels like a sensible move given the club was hoping to get fans back and being able to charge for attendances. Given the state of the pandemic and lockdowns - I can't see any other way of this business operating.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by KRBFC » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:37 pm

You can go to the pub and watch, no doubt many pubs will be paying £15 to air, just make sure you go inside in groups of 5 :lol: Oh and out by 10

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Jenny55 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:41 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:37 pm
You can go to the pub and watch, no doubt many pubs will be paying £15 to air, just make sure you go inside in groups of 5 :lol: Oh and out by 10
It costs the pubs more than £15 though. Unless you are meaning visiting one of the dodgy pubs who use tippex to draw a beer glass on bottom right hand corner of tv screen? :D

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by clarethomer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:45 pm

"Burnley fans will be penalised more by the times we are shown on TV compared to bigger clubs"

Disagree with this in that this is no different to what happened befofe COVID. We were a less favourable team so people who wanted to see us play every game of the season would normally pay more if they wanted to watch live.

If you were only ever a fan who went to home games - you will be no worse off as your ST costs is likely to cover most, or a large % and if you included the costs of getting to the game and the money you spent on the day - probably far less.

If you were a fan who only did away games - you will see you team still live at far less cost.

If you were the every game of the season fan - you will still be better off.

If you were the family of fans within multiple tickets for the same household who went to games, you are quids in also.

If you were the - I never go fan, or I only can get to a few games a seaon fan.. Then if you can now watch them on TV - of course its going to cost you more but you are seeing them more.

Feels like this view of the temporary solution is just being called out because people want if for free.
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Dy1geo » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:37 pm
You can go to the pub and watch, no doubt many pubs will be paying £15 to air, just make sure you go inside in groups of 5 :lol: Oh and out by 10
Pubs around here will be shut soon like they are in Scotland

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:47 pm

Just checked this out.

I live on my own so I'd be paying to watch it alone. To pay for the Chelsea home game will cost me £14.95. If I was able to go with my season ticket it would cost me £13.79 and that's in the most expensive seats.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:48 pm

It will be interesting to see the next round of 'free' live games.

Don't be at all surprised if the likes of Liverpool V United that Sky fawn over, happens to appear as a PPV game with Burnley V Brighton taking the Super Sunday Slot.

I'll hazard a guess that we end up with more live games than normal this year.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Jenny55 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:49 pm

Dy1geo wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:45 pm
Pubs around here will be shut soon like they are in Scotland
Yeah, probably as soon as Monday. :x

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by clarethomer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:47 pm
Just checked this out.

I live on my own so I'd be paying to watch it alone. To pay for the Chelsea home game will cost me £14.95. If I was able to go with my season ticket it would cost me £13.79 and that's in the most expensive seats.
How much would it cost me Tony who doesn't benefit from any discount due to age? I pay far more than £14.95 to watch the game also in the most expensive seats - is it about £23 a game that we pay?

How much would you pay to go and watch us at West Brom - £30 max? Petrol/Food/Drinks etc? If people think the £14.95 is expensive - don't pay it. Its not really costing you more if you were paying it before and would have normally gone to the game.

You are probably still financially better of with this (albeit the experience may be lesser than doing it as you would normally like)
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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:59 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:53 pm
How much would it cost me Tony who doesn't benefit from any discount due to age? I pay far more than £14.95 to watch the game also in the most expensive seats - is it about £23 a game that we pay?

How much would you pay to go and watch us at West Brom - £30 max? Petrol/Food/Drinks etc? If people think the £14.95 is expensive - don't pay it. Its not really costing you more if you were paying it before and would have normally gone to the game.

You are probably still financially better of with this (albeit the experience may be lesser than doing it as you would normally like)
Home games - it's costing me more, simple as that.

Away games - accept that I am saving a lot of money by not going.

I'm better off financially because I can't go to away games but if I watch the home games on PPV then I'm very much worse off and it is very much a lesser experience.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Tall Paul » Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:59 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:48 pm
It will be interesting to see the next round of 'free' live games.

Don't be at all surprised if the likes of Liverpool V United that Sky fawn over, happens to appear as a PPV game with Burnley V Brighton taking the Super Sunday Slot.

I'll hazard a guess that we end up with more live games than normal this year.
Why would Sky do that if the PPV money goes to the clubs?

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:02 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:59 pm
Why would Sky do that if the PPV money goes to the clubs?
They wouldn't - rest assured the big games will still be on the usual television coverage

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by SGr » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:02 pm

To be honest with the refund options available and the fact all profits go to the clubs, it’s not a bad idea in theory. But people will just stream it.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:04 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:53 pm
How much would it cost me Tony who doesn't benefit from any discount due to age? I pay far more than £14.95 to watch the game also in the most expensive seats - is it about £23 a game that we pay?

How much would you pay to go and watch us at West Brom - £30 max? Petrol/Food/Drinks etc? If people think the £14.95 is expensive - don't pay it. Its not really costing you more if you were paying it before and would have normally gone to the game.

You are probably still financially better of with this (albeit the experience may be lesser than doing it as you would normally like)
I can see why people aren’t happy with the scenario

But the only way you don’t “double pay” is if you request a refund (yes the refund will come eventually but not until much further down the line.

If you request a refund, then you won’t be included in the ballot if/when we are allowed to attend.

Im fortune enough not to need to request the refund, but I doubt I’ll be paying to watch on PPV tbh

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by 1HappyClaret » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:06 pm

It also seems that Pubs will be able to buy the PPV games as well. So Pubs (if allowed to open) will be packed with people who don’t want to pay the £15.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:12 pm

All this does is encourage folk to gather together indoors,
Be that in the pub or at friends/relatives homes.
Stupid idea which will only assist with the spread of covid. Surely it would be safer to reopen grounds.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by TVC15 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:22 pm

Personally don’t like the move and think £15 to watch what has been to be honest a much diluted product with no fans is too much.
I can see why they have done it though. Clubs like Spurs have a 2 year waiting list for season tickets and tens of thousands of supporters who don’t get to see there team. I think Arsenal used to be the same. Then there’s all those many supporters of the likes of United and Liverpool who live hundreds or thousands of miles away. There’s a good chance for the big clubs they could get some decent income from PPV. Whereas for clubs like Burnley I doubt whether it would bring us more than one or two million in the rest of season.

But personally I think it’s too much for many football fans who are really struggling at the moment and it’s a bit of a kick in the teeth as football even with a diluted product would normally provide a bit of respite from all the bad stuff many people are having to cope with.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by clarethomer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:24 pm

Barry_Chuckle wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:12 pm
All this does is encourage folk to gather together indoors,
Be that in the pub or at friends/relatives homes.
Stupid idea which will only assist with the spread of covid. Surely it would be safer to reopen grounds.
No it doesn't.

You can watch from your house with those people who live in the household.

You can go and watch in a venue with your household like a pub and abide by the rules.

It's not assisting spreading the virus any more than anything that is in place now.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by DomBFC1882 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:29 pm

Think I might go and support leicester 😂

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by clarethomer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:30 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:22 pm
But personally I think it’s too much for many football fans who are really struggling at the moment and it’s a bit of a kick in the teeth as football even with a diluted product would normally provide a bit of respite from all the bad stuff many people are having to cope with.
Whilst I accept it would be nice to continue the free to air we had in project restart, the reality is this season hasn't been free in the same way.

Want to watch the games that have been televised (outside the BBC game) as a football fan who want to watch their club you potentiall need a to pay:

£25 a month for BT currently or £9.99 for a sky sports day pass or £34 a month for monthly pass.

going forward

£14.95 for your games - flat fee on box office.

If you are lucky to be on Sky Sports - £9.99 for a day pass.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:30 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:45 pm
"Burnley fans will be penalised more by the times we are shown on TV compared to bigger clubs"

Disagree with this in that this is no different to what happened befofe COVID. We were a less favourable team so people who wanted to see us play every game of the season would normally pay more if they wanted to watch live.

If you were only ever a fan who went to home games - you will be no worse off as your ST costs is likely to cover most, or a large % and if you included the costs of getting to the game and the money you spent on the day - probably far less.

If you were a fan who only did away games - you will see you team still live at far less cost.

If you were the every game of the season fan - you will still be better off.

If you were the family of fans within multiple tickets for the same household who went to games, you are quids in also.

If you were the - I never go fan, or I only can get to a few games a seaon fan.. Then if you can now watch them on TV - of course its going to cost you more but you are seeing them more.

Feels like this view of the temporary solution is just being called out because people want if for free.
In comparison to man united fans it will cost more. There’s no arguing against it.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by clarethomer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:34 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:30 pm
In comparison to man united fans it will cost more. There’s no arguing against it.
It doesn't cost you more to watch Burnley though than it did before lockdown if you were paying adult prices. No arguing against that and as a Burnley fan, that is the only comparison you should be making in this.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:38 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:34 pm
It doesn't cost you more to watch Burnley though than it did before lockdown if you were paying adult prices. No arguing against that and as a Burnley fan, that is the only comparison you should be making in this.
Why is it? I’m talking about this deal and it’s costing Burnley fans more than other fans. That’s not fair.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:47 pm

If you feel that strongly about it make a stand and don't pay it, simple. It's not compulsory.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:50 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:47 pm
If you feel that strongly about it make a stand and don't pay it, simple. It's not compulsory.
Why would I cut my nose off to spite my face? Still doesn’t make it fair though. I’m lucky, I can afford it, many won’t be able too.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by NottsClaret » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:50 pm

I struggle to watch a full game without fans when it’s free, certainly won’t be paying for that privilege.

But as posted elsewhere, this is the beginning of the end of collective bargaining and distribution of TV money. When the clubs see the figures and revenues for Man Utd v Liverpool compared to Burnley v West Brom there’s no way they’ll be handing over the same amount in the next round of negotiations. Obviously they’ve always known it but this is really going to hammer it home with clear cash amounts.

Plus it’s the start of PPV streaming to take over from subscription models, which was always going to happen but this has accelerated it.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:51 pm

I think when fans are eventually allowed back some clubs will get a real shock. Think Burnley, hard hit by furlough etc, low income area, fans furious with the club for not signing players and refunding ticket money, will have got out of the habit of going to the game, we might be in the championship, season ticket sales will plummet

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by clarethomer » Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:57 pm

You are looking for a problem that isn't really a problem (or a problem that has been created by this desicion at least).

Yes some people will get a more games on Sky/BT as part of the contract. However that has always been the case and it's not like those channels are free - they are still paying for those channels.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:12 pm

Seems fine to me, big but... I go to watch footy with my mates so don’t mind paying the prices we pay. To sit at home and pay it to watch on my own, I’ll probably pick and choose with illegal streams squeezed in.

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Re: West Brom v Burnley on Sky Box Office

Post by Leisure » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:12 pm

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