The next American President?

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Re: The next American President?

Post by android » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:11 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:13 pm
I’m trying to imagine having the view that a candidate who supports LITERAL ANTI-FACISTS is seen as a negative
It is not a negative and only a handful would see it as such. But no candidate for president is going to be pro-fascism (not even Trump if we are being serious, notwithstanding some of his silly face-saving antics) so it does not really advance the argument.

Biden a near certain winner. I don't know how socialist Biden is, so the big concern for me is race relations. He seems to have bought into critical race theory and some of the crazy ideas that stem from it. As a result of CRT, we have already seen racial segregation rearing its ugly head in America, which is a huge backwards step. And what they adopt, we tend to import unfortunately.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:30 pm

Damo wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:37 am
:lol:
Another keyboard hero
:roll:
The saying "as thick as two short planks" always comes to mind when i think of you.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:41 pm

android wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:11 pm
Biden a near certain winner. I don't know how socialist Biden is, so the big concern for me is race relations.
He seemed to have a very good relationship with America's first black president.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by android » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:02 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:41 pm
He seemed to have a very good relationship with America's first black president.
Would be odd if he didn't given he was his VP! Did you really think I was talking about his personal relationships?

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:20 pm

Don’t think Trump will be fussed if he gets beat lots more money to be made by him not being president.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:24 pm

Who gives a **** who wins
I wish the tv companies would remove American elections off our screens it's more boring than Brexit

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Spijed » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:57 pm

Funny how those who support Trump say the polls are wrong!

Yet, on the other hand...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 7102152706

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Re: The next American President?

Post by grapidianclaret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:49 pm

Just wondering, on both sides of this debate, in regards to the U.K. Why each candidate, in your opinion would be the better choice as far as it would impact the U.K.?

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Re: The next American President?

Post by basil6345789 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:56 pm

Sleepy Joe is such a dopey non-entity, Trump could well get back in - like when Hilary handed it on a plate last time.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by what_no_pies » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:56 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:19 pm
Reagan bombed Libya.

I think it's Carter.
Thanks for the correction.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by martin_p » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:10 pm

Here’s another, more parochial, reason for wanting a Biden win.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... SApp_Other

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Re: The next American President?

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:29 pm

A new Trump University poll has the President leading in all 72 states.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by KateR » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:41 pm

have to say I'm surprised that quite a few think Trump might win, I thought it would be 95+% would be going with the polls and saying Biden easy win, wont be to long before we all know.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 pm

I want Biden to win because Trump is a deranged unhinged mother ******, I fear Trump will cheat his way to victory and the spineless Dems won't be able to do anything about it. I guess I could always move again !

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:44 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:57 pm
Funny how those who support Trump say the polls are wrong!

Yet, on the other hand...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 7102152706
the more he tells his base it's an easy win etc etc the better

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:48 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 pm
I want Biden to win because Trump is a deranged unhinged mother ******, I fear Trump will cheat his way to victory and the spineless Dems won't be able to do anything about it. I guess I could always move again !
Yes you could come back here.

We have the same identity politics, the same mental lefties, fat people and crappy American comedies on continuous loop on E4.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by AndrewJB » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:57 pm

what_no_pies wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:56 pm
Thanks for the correction.
It was Reagan who bombed Libya. Several times

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Re: The next American President?

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:01 am

bobinho wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:58 am
On the post just before this one, you are holier than thou, asking people to report someone for trolling, then you follow it with this one, which is basically wishing people dead because of which side of the American political divide they come down on.
Take yourself outside, and have a word with yourself....

There's nothing about that post that is wishing people dead. I recommend you reread it and keep rereading it until you understand that it's wishing the opposite.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:04 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:46 pm
Obama covered himself in glory with Libya... Oh wait.

Not a war. Also that was us, not the US.

Obama's biggest crime was with his drones. He expanded on Bush's drone policy. But when lefties like me were setting our hair on fire about that no one cared and we were called America-haters by the right.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:14 am

PeterWilton wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:04 am
Not a war. Also that was us, not the US.

Obama's biggest crime was with his drones. He expanded on Bush's drone policy. But when lefties like me were setting our hair on fire about that no one cared and we were called America-haters by the right.
I said picked a fight I think, not start a war.

The US was involved, which is typical because they seem to hate being left out of any aggressive moves towards countries who're trying to step out of line when it comes to oil/petrodollar.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by KateR » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:14 am

U.S. military forces have been at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that distinction. He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

Obama slashed the number of U.S. troops in war zones from 150,000 to 14,000, and stopped the flow of American soldiers coming home in body bags. He also used diplomacy, not war, to defuse a tense nuclear standoff with Iran.

But he vastly expanded the role of elite commando units and the use of new technology, including armed drones and cyber weapons.

“The whole concept of war has changed under Obama,” said Jon Alterman, Middle East specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a nonprofit think tank in Washington. Obama “got the country out of ‘war,’ at least as we used to see it,” Alterman said. “We’re now wrapped up in all these different conflicts, at a low level and with no end in sight.”

Obama helped organize a NATO-led intervention in Libya, ultimately resulting in the fall of Muammar Gaddafi's regime, we all know how well that has turned out for Libya don't we, just like Iraq under Bush.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:27 am

trump is a nutjob, but so are millions of americans, there are all manner of divisive social issues out there.
trump is a mouthpiece and attracts mainly idiots, however its not the man, its the policies and how people are faring economically. biden seems hugely inept, if that's the best they can put up against trump its a poor state of national affairs.in addition, just like the UK, voters are often very traditional in lending support to political parties. the polling thesedays is usually accurate too with one or two recent exceptions.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by AndrewJB » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:47 am

KateR wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:14 am
U.S. military forces have been at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that distinction. He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

Obama slashed the number of U.S. troops in war zones from 150,000 to 14,000, and stopped the flow of American soldiers coming home in body bags. He also used diplomacy, not war, to defuse a tense nuclear standoff with Iran.

But he vastly expanded the role of elite commando units and the use of new technology, including armed drones and cyber weapons.

“The whole concept of war has changed under Obama,” said Jon Alterman, Middle East specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a nonprofit think tank in Washington. Obama “got the country out of ‘war,’ at least as we used to see it,” Alterman said. “We’re now wrapped up in all these different conflicts, at a low level and with no end in sight.”

Obama helped organize a NATO-led intervention in Libya, ultimately resulting in the fall of Muammar Gaddafi's regime, we all know how well that has turned out for Libya don't we, just like Iraq under Bush.
I’m not a fan of Obama’s military record, but he inherited the wars, just as he inherited the financial crash.

When you consider the money the US has spent on the means to project violence, from the end of the Cold War until now - Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump - America could be a more prosperous place had they made wiser choices.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:47 am

I like much of what Trump says, his anti-woke stance is good, tax cuts etc.

But the guy is such a weapon that I would be tempted to root for Biden, a tough call.

I suspect the polls do have it right this time, Biden will win, narrowly, but win. I suspect that the rude awakening won’t be a Trump win, it will be the sense of euphoria for all the Trump haters suddenly evaporating when Biden’s stance on Covid collapses the economy and China suddenly becomes the dominant power in the world (a thought that makes me shudder).

I don’t think Trump would do well with the economy either, but people seem to think it will be the land of milk and honey under Biden. It could be very different.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:51 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:48 pm
Yes you could come back here.

We have the same identity politics, the same mental lefties, fat people and crappy American comedies on continuous loop on E4.
screw that, it would be Canada or New Zealand !!!!

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Re: The next American President?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:55 am

AndrewJB wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:47 am
I’m not a fan of Obama’s military record, but he inherited the wars, just as he inherited the financial crash.

When you consider the money the US has spent on the means to project violence, from the end of the Cold War until now - Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump - America could be a more prosperous place had they made wiser choices.
Just since the cold War??

Vietnam is worth a mention, plus the money they poured into Afghanistan to ensure they could fight back against Russia (ironically this invasion led to Bin Laden joining the Mujahideen and being on the same side of the fight as the USA)

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:59 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:51 am
screw that, it would be Canada or New Zealand !!!!
Sensible.

Choose New Zealand though, Canada is too close and has French speakers there.

And New Zealand has a very savvy normal lady in charge.
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Re: The next American President?

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:59 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:14 am
I said picked a fight I think, not start a war.

The US was involved, which is typical because they seem to hate being left out of any aggressive moves towards countries who're trying to step out of line when it comes to oil/petrodollar.
OK, well he didn't pick that fight. We did, with France. :roll:

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Re: The next American President?

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:06 am

I'm gonna do a shot on election night for every time I read on this board a variation of "350m people and these two are the best?" or. "Biden's a bad candidate but I'm not gonna explain why, I'm just gonna lazily parrot this opinion and pretend I'm I'm formed"

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Re: The next American President?

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:06 am

I might die.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:08 am

BTW, Republicans in the senate are blocking Covid relief again because something else is more important. Putting a Handmaid's Tale character on the supreme court.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by PeterWilton » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:16 am

LeadBelly wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:50 am
.

Biden has been supporting/not condemning BLM/antifa riots...
Straight up lying right here. Claiming that Biden supports rioting is just crazy. Insane. Get help.

And what if some of those "rioting" was actually far right extremists trying to smear otherwise peaceful protesters? Like that guy who fired 13 shots with an AK-47 style rifle in Wisconsin who turned d out to be a part of the Boogaloo Bois?
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Re: The next American President?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:18 am

PeterWilton wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:06 am
I might die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n6XdnV ... gM&index=2
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Re: The next American President?

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:25 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:47 am
I like much of what Trump says, his anti-woke stance is good, tax cuts etc.

But the guy is such a weapon that I would be tempted to root for Biden, a tough call.

I suspect the polls do have it right this time, Biden will win, narrowly, but win. I suspect that the rude awakening won’t be a Trump win, it will be the sense of euphoria for all the Trump haters suddenly evaporating when Biden’s stance on Covid collapses the economy and China suddenly becomes the dominant power in the world (a thought that makes me shudder).

I don’t think Trump would do well with the economy either, but people seem to think it will be the land of milk and honey under Biden. It could be very different.
Do you like the part where he says "these kids are being extremely well treated" when talking about the 500 odd children who's parents can't be found after the Gov separated them?

The man is a Malignant Narcissist & there's no cure for that.

Perhaps it's the lies that spew from his mouth on a continuous basis?

Even the last debate was punctuated with dozens of full blown lies.....he can't stop!

Joe Biden may be a bit disappointing and a bit old, but at least he can feel others' pain & he doesn't lie continually.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by UpTheClaretsFCBK » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:15 am

Damo wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:40 pm
He's a communist and will bankrupt the country with his madcap ideas.
Assuming that would have implications for the financial sector in the uk
In what kind fantasist world is Joe Biden a communist. One of his problems in getting elected is going to be convincing the left to vote for him.

Sanders and AOC are socialist. Joe Biden is VERY slightly left of centre.
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Re: The next American President?

Post by Quicknick » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:16 am

JFK.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:51 am

Biden is clearly an elderly man no longer in full control of his faculties ... who are the forces that are behind his standing again, and why are they hiding behind him ?

No fan of Trump, by the way ... :?

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Re: The next American President?

Post by ecc » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:12 am

"Trump is the first president in several decades to not start a fight abroad..."

I read an article in Le Monde about Trump the other day that was largely critical of him. However, the above point was underlined. That said, one wonders what might have happened following his decision to recognise Jerusalem as the Israeli capital if there had been no war in Syria.

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Re: The next American President?

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:11 am

ecc wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:12 am
"Trump is the first president in several decades to not start a fight abroad..."

I read an article in Le Monde about Trump the other day that was largely critical of him. However, the above point was underlined. That said, one wonders what might have happened following his decision to recognise Jerusalem as the Israeli capital if there had been no war in Syria.
too busy starting them in every town and city at home

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Re: The next American President?

Post by bobinho » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:14 am

PeterWilton wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:01 am
There's nothing about that post that is wishing people dead. I recommend you reread it and keep rereading it until you understand that it's wishing the opposite.
Recommend what you like fella, but you’re only half right.

I’ll explain.... it’s wishing the opposite for HALF the American electorate.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by TomMcGibbon » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:28 am

Steddyman wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:27 pm
Biden. I don't want World War 3.
There hasn’t been one in his 4 years yet.
As far as I’m aware he’s invaded nowhere and
As mentioned above he’s made more moves to broker peace deals than any of his predecessors

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Spijed » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:37 am

TomMcGibbon wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:28 am
There hasn’t been one in his 4 years yet.
As far as I’m aware he’s invaded nowhere and
As mentioned above he’s made more moves to broker peace deals than any of his predecessors
And yet what has he done to stop the horrendous gun culture in America?

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Re: The next American President?

Post by mdd2 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:42 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:37 am
And yet what has he done to stop the horrendous gun culture in America?
I doubt anyone will be able to stop that. When a large proportion of their society believe the best way to stop gun crime is to arm the US citizens with even more guns then it doesn't look to me that much will be done.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:54 am

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:25 am
Do you like the part where he says "these kids are being extremely well treated" when talking about the 500 odd children who's parents can't be found after the Gov separated them?

The man is a Malignant Narcissist & there's no cure for that.

Perhaps it's the lies that spew from his mouth on a continuous basis?

Even the last debate was punctuated with dozens of full blown lies.....he can't stop!

Joe Biden may be a bit disappointing and a bit old, but at least he can feel others' pain & he doesn't lie continually.
Yes, I agree, that was why I called him a weapon and why I suspect it is better he doesn’t win.

He does talk some sense though, its a shame he doesn’t do it in a mature, respectful and articulate way.

There was a great article in The Atlantic this week, partly written by the peerless Tom McTague, best political writer either side of the pond.

This is one paragraph, referring to Trump identifying all the problems with US foreign policy:

“Here, then, was the Trump charge sheet, built on a lifetime of instinct and anger—a set of accusations, explicitly laid out or implicitly made, against not only Obama, but all post–Cold War presidents. George H. W. Bush had failed to foresee a revanchist Russia or to establish an economic package to bring it into the fold; Bill Clinton had paved the way for China’s rise and had expanded NATO to Russia’s borders; George W. Bush had trapped the U.S. in unwinnable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; and Obama had begun a process of American withdrawal and a pivot to Asia without the commitment to see it through. The central problem for Trump’s opponents is this: He wasn’t wrong.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... cy/616773/

That is why I fear a Biden presidency - same old, same old, while the West declines and the East rises. Trump’s foulness pales into insignificance compared to that. I just wish there was a better option.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Cubanclaret » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:14 am

‘I don’t think Trump would do well with the economy either, but people seem to think it will be the land of milk and honey under Biden. It could be very different.‘

Do they? I think the prevailing feeling was very much he was the more considered of two poor options. He doesn’t seem to be over promising in the ridiculous manner that Trump did. It shouldn’t be too hard to at least bring the infection rate down a little in the US. No more Republican rallies should see to that.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by Spijed » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:36 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:54 am
Yes, I agree, that was why I called him a weapon and why I suspect it is better he doesn’t win.

He does talk some sense though, its a shame he doesn’t do it in a mature, respectful and articulate way.

There was a great article in The Atlantic this week, partly written by the peerless Tom McTague, best political writer either side of the pond.

This is one paragraph, referring to Trump identifying all the problems with US foreign policy:

“Here, then, was the Trump charge sheet, built on a lifetime of instinct and anger—a set of accusations, explicitly laid out or implicitly made, against not only Obama, but all post–Cold War presidents. George H. W. Bush had failed to foresee a revanchist Russia or to establish an economic package to bring it into the fold; Bill Clinton had paved the way for China’s rise and had expanded NATO to Russia’s borders; George W. Bush had trapped the U.S. in unwinnable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; and Obama had begun a process of American withdrawal and a pivot to Asia without the commitment to see it through. The central problem for Trump’s opponents is this: He wasn’t wrong.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... cy/616773/

That is why I fear a Biden presidency - same old, same old, while the West declines and the East rises. Trump’s foulness pales into insignificance compared to that. I just wish there was a better option.
Whilst he may not have started any external wars, or got involved in any overseas conflicts he is certainly to blame with regards to the divisive direction that the country itself is now going.

He has fueled the recent rioting by defending vigilante's such as Kyle Rittenhouse, and others now feel they have the right to arm themselves and turn up in cities up and down the country, taking the law into their own hands. It is clear that 'poll watchers' are turning up outside polling stations, armed with high powered weapons, trying to intimidate voters. That is entirely his fault.

We are now seeing lawlessness on the streets that has been increased by his rhetoric.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by LeadBelly » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:29 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:36 am
Whilst he may not have started any external wars, or got involved in any overseas conflicts he is certainly to blame with regards to the divisive direction that the country itself is now going.

He has fueled the recent rioting by defending vigilante's such as Kyle Rittenhouse, and others now feel they have the right to arm themselves and turn up in cities up and down the country, taking the law into their own hands. It is clear that 'poll watchers' are turning up outside polling stations, armed with high powered weapons, trying to intimidate voters. That is entirely his fault.

We are now seeing lawlessness on the streets that has been increased by his rhetoric.
The riots/civil unrest in US cities was started by BLM/Antifa and "the left". They were intimidating people/beating people half to death/burning/looting way before some right wing elements came on the scene to oppose them.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by AndrewJB » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:46 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:55 am
Just since the cold War??

Vietnam is worth a mention, plus the money they poured into Afghanistan to ensure they could fight back against Russia (ironically this invasion led to Bin Laden joining the Mujahideen and being on the same side of the fight as the USA)
I picked the end of the Cold War to avoid the contention that it was or wasn’t worth fighting (with money).

Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex, but was never heeded.

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Re: The next American President?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:04 am

Spijed wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:37 am
And yet what has he done to stop the horrendous gun culture in America?
Gun culture won't change anytime soon.

You're talking about a country that accepted regular mass school shootings as the norm and viewed the solution as being more guns.
The likes of the NRA have been allowed to throw money at buying politicians and bastardizing the 2A, meaning laws won't change.

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