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Fulham have not won at Turf Moor since 1951 ...... they have visited 32 times since in League and Cups, drawing 6 and losing 26 times ...
Despite being the oldest League " Derby " in the world, Burnley and Preston have never been drawn against each other in the FA Cup ...
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Despite being the oldest League " Derby " in the world, Burnley and Preston have never been drawn against each other in the FA Cup ...
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Burnley have won the FA Cup in every year that ends 914 since the competition began.
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Burnley are ball 20 in tonights double FA Cup draw. This is the first time since the last time.
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I thought Burnley v Blackburn was the oldest league derby.
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Accrington v Burnley derby quite old ...
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All three teams were founder members of football league in 1888
First 3 derby games
8th September 1888 PNE v Burnley
29th September 1888 PNE v Blackburn Rovers
3rd November 1888 Burnley v Blackburn Rovers
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Opening day of the first ever league fixtures included Preston v Burnley and Villa v Wolves.
Blackburn’s first fixture was a week later against Accrington and they drew 5-5.
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First Rovers v Burnley league game ended 7-1 to Rovers
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The fact they don’t exist wouldnt stop it being the oldest derby (which it isn’t)
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I know. I left the scores off on purpose
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Sorry miss read the original post. Thought said current oldest derby.
It’s a moot point anyway
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For Burnley fans we are ball number 20 in the FA cup Draw
For Rovers,Preston and Leeds fans Emmerdale is on
For Rovers,Preston and Leeds fans Emmerdale is on
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Thanks to Wilks_bfc and to Claret for correcting me, then.
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Oldest derby if teams don't necessarily exist would be Sheffield FC v Hallam FC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-23471740
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-23471740
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My apologies, besides, to Clarets4me.
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I think you are right. The question was about the oldest league derby but football was played for many years before the league was formed.Bosscat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:40 amOldest derby if teams don't necessarily exist would be Sheffield FC v Hallam FC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-23471740
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Oh was that the final score, I didn’t know. we were so crap I left at half time
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No need " Redbeard " .... as a married man of 31 years standing, it's just nice to know I'm right about something !!
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If you listen to some people you would think football wasn't invented until 1888.
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I'll answer it myself.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:00 pmWhat's the oldest derby? Would assume Hallam FC would feature?
Oldest derby is Hallam FC vs Sheffield FC in December 1860.
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Is Burnley vs Preston even a derby? What are the criteria? If not teams from the sam town/city then surely they have to be closer than Burnley and Preston. It’s 25.5 miles between the two.
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Already answered FrankFactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:00 pmWhat's the oldest derby? Would assume Hallam FC would feature?
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... 4#p1465434
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Our 2-0 away win at Ewood in the 2017-18 League Cup, put us ahead in the total " Head to Head " of meetings between Burnley and Blackburn Rovers. This includes EPL, Football League, FA and League Cups and, of course, the two " Test " matches of 1898 ... ( Early version of play-offs )
Burnley's record now reads W 42 D 19 L 41 ..... Long may it continue !!
Burnley's record now reads W 42 D 19 L 41 ..... Long may it continue !!
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Watford v Luton is called the M1 derby 18 miles apart...
Crystal Palace have a long-standing and fierce rivalry with Brighton & Hove Albion, with whom they contest the M23 derby,
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Then there’s Barcelona vs Madrid. They are even further apart and that is also referred to as a derby.
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Chekhov's right!
PNE's derby rivals are Blackpool!
Thus the first ever league derby was Burnley v Blackburn - and in fact Clarets4me is wrong again!
PNE's derby rivals are Blackpool!
Thus the first ever league derby was Burnley v Blackburn - and in fact Clarets4me is wrong again!
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Well your 2.9 million twitter followers will wear you out m8FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:25 pmI think I've taken lazy to a whole new level - I couldn't even be arsed to scroll up!
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Well stop being a lazy git then
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The term Derby as it relates to football is thought to originate from a town game in Ashbourne, Derby dating back to the 13C and a game called hugball, though other claims are also made.
While strictly speaking meant to mean within a town border, old county borders were also included. So Burnley v Preston is considered a Derby, while Burnley v Halifax, Bradford etc. has always been referred to as a Roses clash...
By that logic Liverpool v United is as is still regularly referred to as a Lancashire Derby, as obviously is Preston v Burnley, making it our first League Derby on the opening day of fixtures. Which would also explain Villa (Birmingham) v Wolverhampton being their biggest Derby rivals... which of course they are
While strictly speaking meant to mean within a town border, old county borders were also included. So Burnley v Preston is considered a Derby, while Burnley v Halifax, Bradford etc. has always been referred to as a Roses clash...
By that logic Liverpool v United is as is still regularly referred to as a Lancashire Derby, as obviously is Preston v Burnley, making it our first League Derby on the opening day of fixtures. Which would also explain Villa (Birmingham) v Wolverhampton being their biggest Derby rivals... which of course they are
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Ashbourne in Derbyshire, not Derby, but makes sense. I remember reading something about 'Hugball'.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:11 pmThe term Derby as it relates to football is thought to originate from a town game in Ashbourne, Derby dating back to the 13C and a game called hugball, though other claims are also made.
While strictly speaking meant to mean within a town border, old county borders were also included. So Burnley v Preston is considered a Derby, while Burnley v Halifax, Bradford etc. has always been referred to as a Roses clash...
By that logic Liverpool v United is as is still regularly referred to as a Lancashire Derby, as obviously is Preston v Burnley, making it our first League Derby on the opening day of fixtures. Which would also explain Villa (Birmingham) v Wolverhampton being their biggest Derby rivals... which of course they are
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At the time of Hugball, Derby was the town for the area, Derbyshire did not exist. Officially at that time Derby itself was in the Palatine of Lancashire under the Stanley family control.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:14 pmAshbourne in Derbyshire, not Derby, but makes sense. I remember reading something about 'Hugball'.
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Can't beat a bit of history.elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:25 pmAt the time of Hugball, Derby was the town for the area, Derbyshire did not exist. Officially at that time Derby itself was in the Palatine of Lancashire under the Stanley family control.
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No: Wolves' biggest derby rivals are West Brom...elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:11 pmVilla (Birmingham) v Wolverhampton being their biggest Derby rivals... which of course they are
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And whilst Burnley v Preston might indeed be a Lancs derby, Burnley v Blackburn is our local one.
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The Ashbourne explanation makes no sense. Why name the thing after the town down the road? Why not just call it an Ashbourne?
Was a Derby game not just any big game, named after the horse race? A game against big local rivals was then a local derby, which is what it used to be called.
Was a Derby game not just any big game, named after the horse race? A game against big local rivals was then a local derby, which is what it used to be called.
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It did originate from horse racing, correct. Going back a while though, must have been the 1700s.sandy richardson wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:51 pmThe Ashbourne explanation makes no sense. Why name the thing after the town down the road? Why not just call it an Ashbourne?
Was a Derby game not just any big game, named after the horse race? A game against big local rivals was then a local derby, which is what it used to be called.
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The horse racing Derby also has a claim. But the Ashbourne connection fits the history. Derby was the administration centre for that part of the County Palatine.sandy richardson wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:51 pmThe Ashbourne explanation makes no sense. Why name the thing after the town down the road? Why not just call it an Ashbourne?
Was a Derby game not just any big game, named after the horse race? A game against big local rivals was then a local derby, which is what it used to be called.
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If...and obviously it remains contested the Ball game reference to Derby predates the horse race by around 500 years... and indeed may be the origin of the horse races name rather than vice versa.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:54 pmIt did originate from horse racing, correct. Going back a while though, must have been the 1700s.
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Well the Derby horse race certainly didn't get the name from the Burnley-Blackburn gameselwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:12 pmIf...and obviously it remains contested the Ball game reference to Derby predates the horse race by around 500 years... and indeed may be the origin of the horse races name rather than vice versa.
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Quite right lol. My old lecturer at Burnley (Dr of History) researches this stuff for a living (lucky sod) always in an archive ferreting out stuff. I know he was looking for the golden ticket for Derby, but all football type games were banned by Elizabeth I and so no printed records exist. He is looking for someone being prosecuted taking part in a ‘Derby’. The term is first used in ‘modern’ (appears in print) football for a Liverpool v Everton game. But as football was illegal for approximately 200 years.... sources are hardto find.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:15 pmWell the Derby horse race certainly didn't get the name from the Burnley-Blackburn games
...anyway I’m supposed to be researching Peterloo not chatting football history so I’m off.
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Let me come out with the questions - you pop off and research the explanationelwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:53 pmQuite right lol. My old lecturer at Burnley (Dr of History) researches this stuff for a living (lucky sod) always in an archive ferreting out stuff. I know he was looking for the golden ticket for Derby, but all football type games were banned by Elizabeth I and so no printed records exist. He is looking for someone being prosecuted taking part in a ‘Derby’. The term is first used in ‘modern’ (appears in print) football for a Liverpool v Everton game. But as football was illegal for approximately 200 years.... sources are hardto find.
...anyway I’m supposed to be researching Peterloo not chatting football history so I’m off.
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The horse race was named after Lord Derby, who helped set it up. (With his friend Lord Bunbury. Legend has it they tossed a coin to decide who it would be named after.)elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:12 pmIf...and obviously it remains contested the Ball game reference to Derby predates the horse race by around 500 years... and indeed may be the origin of the horse races name rather than vice versa.
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You might get "Massacred" researching "Peterloo"elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:53 pmQuite right lol. My old lecturer at Burnley (Dr of History) researches this stuff for a living (lucky sod) always in an archive ferreting out stuff. I know he was looking for the golden ticket for Derby, but all football type games were banned by Elizabeth I and so no printed records exist. He is looking for someone being prosecuted taking part in a ‘Derby’. The term is first used in ‘modern’ (appears in print) football for a Liverpool v Everton game. But as football was illegal for approximately 200 years.... sources are hardto find.
...anyway I’m supposed to be researching Peterloo not chatting football history so I’m off.