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Lunchtime and afternoon games have a designated area where the seats could be given free to school children when it's likely that we are not going to fill the ground due to the opposition.
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I can just see the 20,000 person queue at 1pm, or whatever time is relevant, as all those tight gits who believe, "reducing the prices will put more bums on seats' await the sale.
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Just click on the 3 dots.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:11 pmNobody likes posts anymore now the button has been hidden away.
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Don't accept any invitations from Sidney1st into swinging on down for a 'few drinks at the club'
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He'd get no invites from me anyway, he's a Mormon and we'd end up arguing about religion.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:36 pmDon't accept any invitations from Sidney1st into swinging on down for a 'few drinks at the club'
I'd ask for proof of the existence of his god.
He'd waffle on for a while and ultimately he'd have nothing apart from manmade books and stories.
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We need to improve Turf Moor, especially the atmosphere, and increase it’s capacity, especially of seats that are actually in demand. We always sell out of decent seats yet rarely sell out of crap ones.
This is how I propose we do it:
Remove the front 5 or 6 rows of the Jimmy Mac and Long side as these seats are too low down and rarely sell. Move the pitch closer to these two stands. (Get the pitch central to the Jimmy Mac as it isn’t at present). This way we get more fans closer to the action and reduce the percentage of fans who get wet in a downpour. This will improve the atmosphere.
Then, utilise the space created in front of the Bob Lord and Cricket Field where the pitch was to start the building of a new single tier stand that wraps around and replaces both of them. It should hold about 15k, giving us a total capacity of about 28 to 30k. We need this so we can grow, and we need a better stadium with an improved experience to do this. We will also now be able to give more tickets to away fans (in the corner of the new single tier) without letting away fans dominate the atmosphere. There are at least 5 games a season when away fans could take 6k+ tickets but we currently miss out on this potential revenue.
By creating more space for the new stand that replaces the Cricket Field stand we will be able to have a gap behind the new stand so that fans can walk all the way around Turf Moor, even behind the Cricket Field section. This will greatly improve access and the experience overall, plus it will make Turf Moor far more flexible depending upon who we are playing.
I appreciate many of you can’t relate to why we need a bigger capacity because you can only see that we don’t currently sell out all the time. But thinking like this is not accepting of the potential that is out there should we put the infrastructure and product in place to be able to utilise it.
This is how I propose we do it:
Remove the front 5 or 6 rows of the Jimmy Mac and Long side as these seats are too low down and rarely sell. Move the pitch closer to these two stands. (Get the pitch central to the Jimmy Mac as it isn’t at present). This way we get more fans closer to the action and reduce the percentage of fans who get wet in a downpour. This will improve the atmosphere.
Then, utilise the space created in front of the Bob Lord and Cricket Field where the pitch was to start the building of a new single tier stand that wraps around and replaces both of them. It should hold about 15k, giving us a total capacity of about 28 to 30k. We need this so we can grow, and we need a better stadium with an improved experience to do this. We will also now be able to give more tickets to away fans (in the corner of the new single tier) without letting away fans dominate the atmosphere. There are at least 5 games a season when away fans could take 6k+ tickets but we currently miss out on this potential revenue.
By creating more space for the new stand that replaces the Cricket Field stand we will be able to have a gap behind the new stand so that fans can walk all the way around Turf Moor, even behind the Cricket Field section. This will greatly improve access and the experience overall, plus it will make Turf Moor far more flexible depending upon who we are playing.
I appreciate many of you can’t relate to why we need a bigger capacity because you can only see that we don’t currently sell out all the time. But thinking like this is not accepting of the potential that is out there should we put the infrastructure and product in place to be able to utilise it.
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Atmosphere will improve when the team is playing well and winning games.
As for capacity, we don't even have a waiting list for season tickets, several other clubs do.
We do need to manage the seating better, especially in the JHU that has far to many singular seats on match day and definitely far to many single adults attending with no children.
They also need to monitor the usage of said children's seats to ensure adults aren't buying one just so they can sit in the stand on their own.
Yes I know people on here don't like the idea of better seat management, but it needs to happen.
As for capacity, we don't even have a waiting list for season tickets, several other clubs do.
We do need to manage the seating better, especially in the JHU that has far to many singular seats on match day and definitely far to many single adults attending with no children.
They also need to monitor the usage of said children's seats to ensure adults aren't buying one just so they can sit in the stand on their own.
Yes I know people on here don't like the idea of better seat management, but it needs to happen.
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Everyone knows how to do it, but not many like posts anymore. It used to be very common.
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Just for youQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:11 pmEveryone knows how to do it, but not many like posts anymore. It used to be very common.
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What happens to the away fans in the CF and our fans in the BL and CF whilst this new stand is being built?bfcwest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:01 pmWe need to improve Turf Moor, especially the atmosphere, and increase it’s capacity, especially of seats that are actually in demand. We always sell out of decent seats yet rarely sell out of crap ones.
This is how I propose we do it:
Remove the front 5 or 6 rows of the Jimmy Mac and Long side as these seats are too low down and rarely sell. Move the pitch closer to these two stands. (Get the pitch central to the Jimmy Mac as it isn’t at present). This way we get more fans closer to the action and reduce the percentage of fans who get wet in a downpour. This will improve the atmosphere.
Then, utilise the space created in front of the Bob Lord and Cricket Field where the pitch was to start the building of a new single tier stand that wraps around and replaces both of them.
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Re: Your advice to Alan Pace...
Sell up
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What? Sell to who?
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You do realise just how long it took us to build the 2 small disabled corner stands!
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It would’t be be a major issue because of the nature of what I’ve proposed. In front of Bob Lord would be done first, so the Cricket field could stay open until this is finished, by which time the there would be extra capacity to allow us to then shut and knockdown the Cricket Field. We might even be able to keep some of the Bob Lord open as the new stand takes shape.
Worst case some of the Bob Lord fans will have to move into the soggy seats in the front of the Jimmy Mac for a half a season!!
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But as you've already removed the front 6 rows from the BL Lower in your proposal, where will the 3,000 from the BL sit? And even if those 6 rows were available, you still couldn't accommodate those from the BL.bfcwest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:51 pmIt would’t be be a major issue because of the nature of what I’ve proposed. In front of Bob Lord would be done first, so the Cricket field could stay open until this is finished, by which time the there would be extra capacity to allow us to then shut and knockdown the Cricket Field. We might even be able to keep some of the Bob Lord open as the new stand takes shape.
Worst case some of the Bob Lord fans will have to move into the soggy seats in the front of the Jimmy Mac for a half a season!!
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Unfortunately a vast majority of posters on this board only like their own posts!Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:11 pmEveryone knows how to do it, but not many like posts anymore. It used to be very common.
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I suspect it would be quite a major issue. Because you’re suggesting partial demolition of one stand, total demolition two others and moving the pitch. Might as well knock the whole thing down and start from scratch.bfcwest wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:51 pmIt would’t be be a major issue because of the nature of what I’ve proposed. In front of Bob Lord would be done first, so the Cricket field could stay open until this is finished, by which time the there would be extra capacity to allow us to then shut and knockdown the Cricket Field. We might even be able to keep some of the Bob Lord open as the new stand takes shape.
Worst case some of the Bob Lord fans will have to move into the soggy seats in the front of the Jimmy Mac for a half a season!!
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Good point, well made.
But we really do need more premium seats.
But, and I don’t have anything to back this up btw, I have a real nagging feeling that the club will look to relocate in the coming years.
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Never take a laxative and a sleeping pill at the same time Alan!
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The ground situation has become a major problem.
The 2 newest stands were built in 1995 to a minimum specification and delivered 14,500 seats at £5.2m. Somehow the new stands didn't align and, therefore, filling the JH and JM corner with the new build is awkward at best.
The Cricket Field Stand is way past its lifetime. If we are to be an established PL side then our facilities should match that vision.
Not only should we be looking into a global brand but we could take financial advantage of our visiting supporters. There are few teams in the PL who don't fill the 2,800 seats that we have. The fans of the big sides would fork out a ton of money just to be in the ground.
That leads me on a possible suggestion based on me having no particular relevant expertise:
Cricket Field Stand is demolished.
A new stand with a capacity of around 7,500 to be built. A bigger allocation of tickets to away supporters would improve our matchday income. Do we provide executive boxes for the visitors. Do we currently sell our current boxes in the JH stand to away fans ?
I'm not suggesting the removal of the cricket club. Apart from car parking space, there is little use for area.
Possible costs could be incredible. I'm looking at the recent development at Wolves with the start of a plan which will take their capacity over 50,000. This is coming at around £20m.
The 2 newest stands were built in 1995 to a minimum specification and delivered 14,500 seats at £5.2m. Somehow the new stands didn't align and, therefore, filling the JH and JM corner with the new build is awkward at best.
The Cricket Field Stand is way past its lifetime. If we are to be an established PL side then our facilities should match that vision.
Not only should we be looking into a global brand but we could take financial advantage of our visiting supporters. There are few teams in the PL who don't fill the 2,800 seats that we have. The fans of the big sides would fork out a ton of money just to be in the ground.
That leads me on a possible suggestion based on me having no particular relevant expertise:
Cricket Field Stand is demolished.
A new stand with a capacity of around 7,500 to be built. A bigger allocation of tickets to away supporters would improve our matchday income. Do we provide executive boxes for the visitors. Do we currently sell our current boxes in the JH stand to away fans ?
I'm not suggesting the removal of the cricket club. Apart from car parking space, there is little use for area.
Possible costs could be incredible. I'm looking at the recent development at Wolves with the start of a plan which will take their capacity over 50,000. This is coming at around £20m.
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I also agree that the ground has become a big problem.
Nothing fits, it’s all out of line and disjointed.
We’ve spent millions titivating the CF and BL because we’ve had no medium to long term plan.
Which is why I can see the new Board seriously looking at a relocation. It won’t be popular, I don’t want it, but I wonder if financially it makes sense. The hugely inflated costs of the corner stands have evidenced the difficulty in redeveloping as we are.
Nothing fits, it’s all out of line and disjointed.
We’ve spent millions titivating the CF and BL because we’ve had no medium to long term plan.
Which is why I can see the new Board seriously looking at a relocation. It won’t be popular, I don’t want it, but I wonder if financially it makes sense. The hugely inflated costs of the corner stands have evidenced the difficulty in redeveloping as we are.
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If we left out current site I don't think I'd bother going on again.TsarBomba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:38 pmI also agree that the ground has become a big problem.
Nothing fits, it’s all out of line and disjointed.
We’ve spent millions titivating the CF and BL because we’ve had no medium to long term plan.
Which is why I can see the new Board seriously looking at a relocation. It won’t be popular, I don’t want it, but I wonder if financially it makes sense. The hugely inflated costs of the corner stands have evidenced the difficulty in redeveloping as we are.
It's literally a piece of history - original ground of one of the founding members of the football league? Hallowed Turf
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With the Yanks in charge the idea might be to move the ground more towards the M66 and rebrand as the East Lancs Clarets. With Bury out of business and Blackburn and Bolton not having the best of times we could really grow our fanbase and start to compete with some of big northern clubs like Newcastle, Leeds and Hull
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It’s not that difficult, and made more easy as it is the smallest capacity stands we are looking to replace. The idea is to increase capacity as we build in order to minimise the effect on the demand to capacity ratio. But we can reduce walk on availability to accommodate temporarily re-located season ticket holders as we go so it’s not an issue.
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We need more seats along the side of the pitch rather than behind the goal. We already don’t sell out our behind the goal seating whereas we could double the Bob Lord and sell it out easily. Today’s grounds reflect the demand for premium seating, but Burnley has a bus shelter as it’s main stand. Our ratios are all wrong.Dressinggown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:31 pmThe ground situation has become a major problem.
The 2 newest stands were built in 1995 to a minimum specification and delivered 14,500 seats at £5.2m. Somehow the new stands didn't align and, therefore, filling the JH and JM corner with the new build is awkward at best.
The Cricket Field Stand is way past its lifetime. If we are to be an established PL side then our facilities should match that vision.
Not only should we be looking into a global brand but we could take financial advantage of our visiting supporters. There are few teams in the PL who don't fill the 2,800 seats that we have. The fans of the big sides would fork out a ton of money just to be in the ground.
That leads me on a possible suggestion based on me having no particular relevant expertise:
Cricket Field Stand is demolished.
A new stand with a capacity of around 7,500 to be built. A bigger allocation of tickets to away supporters would improve our matchday income. Do we provide executive boxes for the visitors. Do we currently sell our current boxes in the JH stand to away fans ?
I'm not suggesting the removal of the cricket club. Apart from car parking space, there is little use for area.
Possible costs could be incredible. I'm looking at the recent development at Wolves with the start of a plan which will take their capacity over 50,000. This is coming at around £20m.
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Funny you mention it. During the talks I was in a discussion regards the stadium with someone regards Turf Moor and ALK. They like the stadium and the community connections. They'd be loathe to move and love the view of the hills over the Bob Lord from the camera vantage point.Dressinggown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:31 pmThe ground situation has become a major problem.
The 2 newest stands were built in 1995 to a minimum specification and delivered 14,500 seats at £5.2m. Somehow the new stands didn't align and, therefore, filling the JH and JM corner with the new build is awkward at best.
The Cricket Field Stand is way past its lifetime. If we are to be an established PL side then our facilities should match that vision.
Not only should we be looking into a global brand but we could take financial advantage of our visiting supporters. There are few teams in the PL who don't fill the 2,800 seats that we have. The fans of the big sides would fork out a ton of money just to be in the ground.
That leads me on a possible suggestion based on me having no particular relevant expertise:
Cricket Field Stand is demolished.
A new stand with a capacity of around 7,500 to be built. A bigger allocation of tickets to away supporters would improve our matchday income. Do we provide executive boxes for the visitors. Do we currently sell our current boxes in the JH stand to away fans ?
I'm not suggesting the removal of the cricket club. Apart from car parking space, there is little use for area.
Possible costs could be incredible. I'm looking at the recent development at Wolves with the start of a plan which will take their capacity over 50,000. This is coming at around £20m.
I was pointed in the direction of the Children's Mercy Stadium. Sporting Kansas' stadium.
It has a capacity of 18,467 but that can be tweaked capacity wise. He didn't see any reason that couldn't be tweaked to increase capacity to 30,000 without encroaching too much on the Cricket club.
The idea being to incorporate the Bob Lord into a modern stadium. The Bob Lord would be the stand to the left of the picture. Yes it'd have a revamp of course. The bottom stand on the picture would mirror the top stand and have an angled roof.
Anyway. It was his suggestion of a design that would allow us to remain where we are, keep the Bob Lord view and still improve the stadium facilities, capacity (but only by 5,000-8,000) and matchday experience.
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Don't leave business too late in the transfer window.. especially the summer window where players need a pre season for fitness and gelling together.
Overhaul recruitment, get people in who can actually find players others miss.
Become more adept with negotiations, don't offer laughable amounts for players and get snubbed. Don't penny pinch on crucial targets.
Work closely with Dyche and make sure he has direct communication with the recruitment team.
Stop holding on to players who aren't good enough by 22-23 year old and bring in promising younger players instead. If unsure make sure they go on loan at a decent level.
Try to improve the academy intake and recruitment so we're able to loan talent to the championship at a young age.
Try to recruit younger players who aren't quite ready to step up for the big teams, but are good enough for us. Chances are at the moment a 23 year old at Chelsea to isn't good enough for them will be a lot better than a 23 year old that isn't good enough for us.
Post pandemic open up u23 and u18 games to the public so they can share the growth and success of the academy.
Open up and engage in fan surveys, listen to feedback.
Be open and positive in the media, don't tell fans what we can't be, rather than what we can. Positive outlooks create a positive fan base and support of the team.
Offer incentives for away travel and rewards to loyal fans.
Make u23 and youth games available to stream for free on YouTube.
Overhaul recruitment, get people in who can actually find players others miss.
Become more adept with negotiations, don't offer laughable amounts for players and get snubbed. Don't penny pinch on crucial targets.
Work closely with Dyche and make sure he has direct communication with the recruitment team.
Stop holding on to players who aren't good enough by 22-23 year old and bring in promising younger players instead. If unsure make sure they go on loan at a decent level.
Try to improve the academy intake and recruitment so we're able to loan talent to the championship at a young age.
Try to recruit younger players who aren't quite ready to step up for the big teams, but are good enough for us. Chances are at the moment a 23 year old at Chelsea to isn't good enough for them will be a lot better than a 23 year old that isn't good enough for us.
Post pandemic open up u23 and u18 games to the public so they can share the growth and success of the academy.
Open up and engage in fan surveys, listen to feedback.
Be open and positive in the media, don't tell fans what we can't be, rather than what we can. Positive outlooks create a positive fan base and support of the team.
Offer incentives for away travel and rewards to loyal fans.
Make u23 and youth games available to stream for free on YouTube.
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1. Bring back goal celebration music......
2. Bring back hooped socks.
2. Bring back hooped socks.
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If you think it's not that important if we get relegated
THINK AGAIN !!
THINK AGAIN !!
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Re 1....NO..do not do this.Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:04 am1. Bring back goal celebration music......
2. Bring back hooped socks.
Re 2. Absolutely..a top priority.
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Don't the Americans love all that goal music guff?
Heard that it's Dyche who doesn't favour hooped socks.
Heard that it's Dyche who doesn't favour hooped socks.
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To make that work you need to get some decent money for the old ground which I can't see happening. Our gate receipts are so low that closing parts of the ground to do the work wouldn't cost that much.TsarBomba wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:38 pmI also agree that the ground has become a big problem.
Nothing fits, it’s all out of line and disjointed.
We’ve spent millions titivating the CF and BL because we’ve had no medium to long term plan.
Which is why I can see the new Board seriously looking at a relocation. It won’t be popular, I don’t want it, but I wonder if financially it makes sense. The hugely inflated costs of the corner stands have evidenced the difficulty in redeveloping as we are.
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I didn't want to post this previously but now it is out there... I am ITK on this, so ITK in fact that it makes my tummy hurt.
Well, the disagreement on hooped socks was the root of the disharmony between SD and MG. Relations were already strained due to the matter but the final straw was when MG gave SD a pair of hooped socks in a misjudged secret santa joke.
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https://youtu.be/FEOG9qWZxNEStalbansclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 amRe 1....NO..do not do this.
Re 2. Absolutely..a top priority.
Would love this
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Your advice to Alan Pace...
Don't watch Amazon Prime on match days !
Don't watch Amazon Prime on match days !
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As mentioned above the core points are that we seriously need to stay in the prem ( naturally) and stay at the Turf with anything from 5-10k max increase in capacity ( new CFS etc) For the curmudgeons who endlessly parrot “ we struggle to get 19k on etc” The simple fact is an ever more established prem club and a higher media /worldwide profile ( post buyout) will help attendances and match day revenues ,and let’s not forget having some serious away seating will almost immediately add numbers .
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Similar to the previous board, continue to invest in items with an expected value to the club, both immediately and longer term. Don’t waste money on vanity projects, just because other clubs do it. If you don’t believe you can add consistently 10k on the gate, don’t waste 10’s of millions creating a white elephant of a stadium for example.
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Oh yeah..... and also to point out, the vast majority of the 92 clubs in the league make far many more bad decisions than Burnley have in the last 5-10 years
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Hard to believe that 2 grown men could fall out over something as petty as hooped socks!TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:25 amI didn't want to post this previously but now it is out there... I am ITK on this, so ITK in fact that it makes my tummy hurt.
Well, the disagreement on hooped socks was the root of the disharmony between SD and MG. Relations were already strained due to the matter but the final straw was when MG gave SD a pair of hooped socks in a misjudged secret santa joke.
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Don't forget Scunthorpe!Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:51 pmWith the Yanks in charge the idea might be to move the ground more towards the M66 and rebrand as the East Lancs Clarets. With Bury out of business and Blackburn and Bolton not having the best of times we could really grow our fanbase and start to compete with some of big northern clubs like Newcastle, Leeds and Hull
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I was messing around with this idea if it ever come to updating, put away fans in the corner.
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Where is Den Perry's helipad on that stadium drawing ?
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And where, may I ask, is the Marina?
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If we were positioned near the M66 we wouldn’t be East Lancs Clarets then, but I get your point.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:51 pmWith the Yanks in charge the idea might be to move the ground more towards the M66 and rebrand as the East Lancs Clarets. With Bury out of business and Blackburn and Bolton not having the best of times we could really grow our fanbase and start to compete with some of big northern clubs like Newcastle, Leeds and Hull
I believe this has already been discussed at boardroom level.
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I was thinking Rossendale area which is central to Burnley, Bury, Blackburn and even Rochdale as well as being a stones throw away from Manchester and still in (East) Lancashire
I think you would get mixed reactions to this kind of plan but would be brilliant for the next generation of (East Lancs) Clarets and fair play to the board if this is the kind of things they are looking at
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Buy a raincoat and wellies.