January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:21 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:16 pm
If we want to sign young British players we have to accept you'll pay a premium. Your argument seems to be lets keep burying our head in the sand and putting in low bids that have no chance of being accepted.
Not at all, just we pay what we can afford, not what others can afford to waste.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:22 pm

Kevin Long our 5th striker no chance hes going as hes far too useful .The ultimate utility player

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Post by Papabendi » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:27 pm

isnt it quite straighforward with Collins? Give them what we are going to receive for Gibson.

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Post by winsomeyen » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:30 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:27 pm
isnt it quite straighforward with Collins? Give them what we are going to receive for Gibson.
What happens if Norwich miss out on promotion ?
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Post by jrgbfc » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:40 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:39 pm
If Kenny with 35 Premier League appearances and 31 Bundesliga appearances is valued at 7m, what is the going rate for someone with 39 Championship appearances ?
But Everton are obviously happy for Kenny to leave, whereas Collins is highly regarded at Stoke if he's playing regularly at 19.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:41 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:02 pm
:D :D

24 in March is 23, in the same way 20 in April is 19.
Correct that’s why I said approaching 24.

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:57 pm

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...........my hopes were up!.................Just more bickering and slagging off the club.

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Post by DCWat » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:21 pm

The links to the likes of Collins, Kenny and Knight are nice to see - younger players with potential to develop. All positions that I’d like to see us improve on or have strong cover for.

King is a good player but I’m not convinced he’d be a good fit for us, but I could be wrong.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:47 pm

Apparently people are tweeting Alan Pace telling him to pull his finger out and make signings. Pathetic if true.
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Post by superdimitri » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:48 pm

I'm sure the problem isn't Pace, but instead the inept recruitment team we seem to have. That may also extend to scouting. I blame Mike Rigg.

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Post by Stevie Morgan » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:53 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:47 pm
Apparently people are tweeting Alan Pace telling him to pull his finger out and make signings. Pathetic if true.
It is true, and unfortunately not surprising. He and other club officials have made themselves a hostage to fortune with comments made previously though. Personally I think we'll make some signings, might be late in day though.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:59 pm

Stevie Morgan wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:53 pm
It is true, and unfortunately not surprising. He and other club officials have made themselves a hostage to fortune with comments made previously though. Personally I think we'll make some signings, might be late in day though.
He will delete his social media account by the summer.

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Post by Stevie Morgan » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:59 pm
He will delete his social media account by the summer.
Either that or restrict replies. Assume you can do that.

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Post by warksclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:03 pm

Thats not fair on the guy. However I can imagine two conversations Alan Pace has had with SD and Mike Trigg

Sean-summarise your achievements in the 8 years you have been with us". Well Alan two promotions, 5 successive years in the PL, a top 7, and a top 10 finish and with no or little new players"

Mike, I hear you have been with us nearly 3 years, what have you achieved. "Well Alan I have set up this super analytical and recruitment team-real state of the art" Alan then asks what the fruits of that have been "Well Alan we managed to recruit Joe Hart with over 50 England caps, plus Josh Brownhill, who has made more interceptions than anyone in the PL, and before I forget we managed to convince Dale Stephens to join us after 3 seasons of trying"
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Post by jurek » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:23 pm

Well I'm hopeful we'll get at least two in before end of window.
Collins from Stoke and the right back from Everton who names eludes me.
Anymore would be great but not likely unless there's one or two leaving.
Or a swap deal with Vydra off to Bournemouth and King coming the other way?
Doubt that one somehow.
Having said that neither of the first two are likely to be straight into the team.
But they're both young and could be with us for some time.
15m for the first two could turn out to be good business and not really that expensive.
We'll hopefully be getting 8m for Gibson at the end of the season too.

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Post by warksclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:25 pm

jurek wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:23 pm
Well I'm hopeful we'll get at least two in before end of window.
Collins from Stoke and the right back from Everton who names eludes me.
Anymore would be great but not likely unless there's one or two leaving.
Or a swap deal with Vydra off to Bournemouth and King coming the other way?
Doubt that one somehow.
Having said that neither of the first two are likely to be straight into the team.
But they're both young and could be with us for some time.
15m for the first two could turn out to be good business and not really that expensive.
We'll hopefully be getting 8m for Gibson at the end of the season too.
Dont forget, if we stay up we owe Brighton more money

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:37 pm

jurek wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:23 pm
Well I'm hopeful we'll get at least two in before end of window.
Collins from Stoke and the right back from Everton who names eludes me.
Anymore would be great but not likely unless there's one or two leaving.
Or a swap deal with Vydra off to Bournemouth and King coming the other way?
Doubt that one somehow.
Having said that neither of the first two are likely to be straight into the team.
But they're both young and could be with us for some time.
15m for the first two could turn out to be good business and not really that expensive.
We'll hopefully be getting 8m for Gibson at the end of the season too.
£17m might get Collins and Kenny, but can you really see us spending that kind of money on two squad members not guaranteed to start?
Also, we have 2 right backs already.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:39 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:37 pm
£17m might get Collins and Kenny, but can you really see us spending that kind of money on two squad members not guaranteed to start?
Also, we have 2 right backs already.
We do, but one turns 32 in the summer and the other turns 36, and both are out of contract.
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Post by Boss Hogg » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:41 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:47 pm
Apparently people are tweeting Alan Pace telling him to pull his finger out and make signings. Pathetic if true.
This is the problem with social media such as Twitter.

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Post by nyclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:44 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:37 pm
£17m might get Collins and Kenny, but can you really see us spending that kind of money on two squad members not guaranteed to start?
Also, we have 2 right backs already.
We'll have to spend money eventually?
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Post by SGr » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:46 pm

Lot of talk about defenders. We could really do with a winger soon though.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:46 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:39 pm
We do, but one turns 32 in the summer and the other turns 36, and both are out of contract.
Bardsley is 36 going on for 18 the way he played on Sunday :D

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Post by Pearcey » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:58 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:47 pm
Apparently people are tweeting Alan Pace telling him to pull his finger out and make signings. Pathetic if true.
Embarrassing!

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:02 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:37 pm
£17m might get Collins and Kenny, but can you really see us spending that kind of money on two squad members not guaranteed to start?
Also, we have 2 right backs already.
Yes. How much would you prefer we spent? We have to bring players into the squad to improve it and this costs money. I’m sure there’ll be a sale or two as well in the coming months.

It might (in theory) cost £17m but our initial outlay this month would be nowhere near that figure....so not that scary.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:05 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:02 pm
Yes. How much would you prefer we spent? We have to bring players into the squad to improve it and this costs money. I’m sure there’ll be a sale or two as well in the coming months.

It might (in theory) cost £17m but our initial outlay this month would be nowhere near that figure....so not that scary.
I suppose the first question has to be "is there any money available"?

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Post by scouseclaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:12 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:37 pm
£17m might get Collins and Kenny, but can you really see us spending that kind of money on two squad members not guaranteed to start?
Also, we have 2 right backs already.
The sensible thing to do is to buy players before you need them, not panic buy when you really have to. So, in the same way we bought Tarko because we knew Keane would eventually leave, we sign Collins to replace Tarko.

People on here have also been screaming that we need a new right back for ages.

Personally, I’d like to see us sign a creative midfielder on the Defour mild.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:12 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:05 pm
I suppose the first question has to be "is there any money available"?
Evidently there is.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:25 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:12 pm
The sensible thing to do is to buy players before you need them, not panic buy when you really have to. So, in the same way we bought Tarko because we knew Keane would eventually leave, we sign Collins to replace Tarko.

People on here have also been screaming that we need a new right back for ages.

Personally, I’d like to see us sign a creative midfielder on the Defour mild.
I agree about the forward planning, but that hasn't really been happening since we signed Gibson, a strategy which failed on that occasion.
With JT wanting away we could find ourselves needing a top quality centreback rather than one for the future.
I think we could use a right-sided midfielder.
But hasn't SD said he's happy with the squad?

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Post by Stevie Morgan » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:30 pm

We need a good defender in because the drop off in quality if mee or tarks is injured is dramatic and could leave us in trouble - our recovery has been centred on this. We also are likely to lose JT soon so forward planning also key. We can make do with options for RW for now although not ideal.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:34 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:12 pm
Evidently there is.
Where is it?

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Post by winsomeyen » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:36 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:34 pm
Where is it?


In the dry powder store. :lol: :lol:









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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:36 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:34 pm
Where is it?
Maybe Pace could tweet a photo of a giant cheque for every bid we make?
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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:39 pm

All this speculation; has the club actually bid for (or even enquired about) any players?

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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:39 pm
All this speculation; has the club actually bid for (or even enquired about) any players?
Let’s just trust they are and see where we are Monday night or whenever the window closes! Kenny, Collins and King would represent a good first window for our new owners.

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Post by LaLigaClaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:12 pm

Just a while ago and before the takeover was completed posters were saying we needed a CH to replace Long or Benson because our league position was precarious and the squad was too small and there were too many injuries. It was also known that Tarks was likely to leave either in this window or in the summer. It can be argued therefor that we really need two CH's. If Collins is considered by the club to be one of them then to me it just has to be we get him in this window for a number of reasons. So a bid of £4.5m is ludicrous in that situation.

If Collins was to be the main replacement for Tarks then it would be more than sensible to have him at the Turf before Tarks leaves in order to help in his development.

However it is also reported that Arsenal are keen on Collins but were unlikely to buy him due to a lack of available money. However with Ozil having left, then the money will become available. If you were Stoke and you thought Arsenal were interested in your player then in all likelihood you would think Arsenal can outbid Burnley so that you could force Burnley to bid more in order to get your player. So by suggesting Arsenal were a likely suitor then that would give you the ability to push upwards any bid from Burnley. Similarly if you were Collins and you thought Arsenal were interested you might think hmmm better wages, higher profile club now where would I want to go ?

By leaving a realistic bid for Collins until summer then we are very likely to miss out altogether because if Tarks goes then, clubs will realise we need two CH's, getting one is proving hard enough so getting two in the same window will be much harder especially as clubs will know we have cash on the hip from the sale of Tarks and this will push up the prices of players that we may be interested in, especially Collins. I still believe the club is thinking of Collins as a longer term investment to develop and not as an immediate replacement of Tarks. That is why I still think there is a realistic proposition that a deal for the sale of Tarks has been already agreed but not yet publicised.

If you were Collins and you thought you were going to be the direct immediate replacement for Tarks you might agree to go to Burnley now but if you thought Burnley already had another more experienced replacement lined up and you were going to be third choice then you might not want to come to the Turf especially if Arsenal could be still interested in the summer or in this window. If a deal for Tarks has been agreed then getting Collins is an absolute must, so a bid of £4.5m would make no sense whatsoever as there would be no possible way of getting him at that price.

As brilliant as Tarks has been for us I think it is inevitable that the only way we are going to be able to buy the players we are linked to is to sell him now even though it represents a bit of a gamble doing so. I can't see us getting players like Collins or Worall, King, Kenny, Knight, Quiason, replacement for Pieters, another midfielder, right winger, new striker if Vydra leaves or any others we may be linked with unless we get the money from a Tarks sale. I still think we might end up with Jones in a player swap (Tarks) cash deal otherwise we could end up with no-one if we continue to insult clubs with ridiculous bids. Perhaps relegation is now less likely than it was but it is still a real prospect and relegation would not be what ALK are looking for let alone the fans or players. Selling Tarks in the summer after a relegation would see a catastrophic fall in value for him and a mass exit of other players in addition.

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:16 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:12 pm
Just a while ago and before the takeover was completed posters were saying we needed a CH to replace Long or Benson because our league position was precarious and the squad was too small and there were too many injuries. It was also known that Tarks was likely to leave either in this window or in the summer. It can be argued therefor that we really need two CH's. If Collins is considered by the club to be one of them then to me it just has to be we get him in this window for a number of reasons. So a bid of £4.5m is ludicrous in that situation.

If Collins was to be the main replacement for Tarks then it would be more than sensible to have him at the Turf before Tarks leaves in order to help in his development.

However it is also reported that Arsenal are keen on Collins but were unlikely to buy him due to a lack of available money. However with Ozil having left, then the money will become available. If you were Stoke and you thought Arsenal were interested in your player then in all likelihood you would think Arsenal can outbid Burnley so that you could force Burnley to bid more in order to get your player. So by suggesting Arsenal were a likely suitor then that would give you the ability to push upwards any bid from Burnley. Similarly if you were Collins and you thought Arsenal were interested you might think hmmm better wages, higher profile club now where would I want to go ?

By leaving a realistic bid for Collins until summer then we are very likely to miss out altogether because if Tarks goes then, clubs will realise we need two CH's, getting one is proving hard enough so getting two in the same window will be much harder especially as clubs will know we have cash on the hip from the sale of Tarks and this will push up the prices of players that we may be interested in, especially Collins. I still believe the club is thinking of Collins as a longer term investment to develop and not as an immediate replacement of Tarks. That is why I still think there is a realistic proposition that a deal for the sale of Tarks has been already agreed but not yet publicised.

If you were Collins and you thought you were going to be the direct immediate replacement for Tarks you might agree to go to Burnley now but if you thought Burnley already had another more experienced replacement lined up and you were going to be third choice then you might not want to come to the Turf especially if Arsenal could be still interested in the summer or in this window. If a deal for Tarks has been agreed then getting Collins is an absolute must, so a bid of £4.5m would make no sense whatsoever as there would be no possible way of getting him at that price.

As brilliant as Tarks has been for us I think it is inevitable that the only way we are going to be able to buy the players we are linked to is to sell him now even though it represents a bit of a gamble doing so. I can't see us getting players like Collins or Worall, King, Kenny, Knight, Quiason, replacement for Pieters, another midfielder, right winger, new striker if Vydra leaves or any others we may be linked with unless we get the money from a Tarks sale. I still think we might end up with Jones in a player swap (Tarks) cash deal otherwise we could end up with no-one if we continue to insult clubs with ridiculous bids. Perhaps relegation is now less likely than it was but it is still a real prospect and relegation would not be what ALK are looking for let alone the fans or players. Selling Tarks in the summer after a relegation would see a catastrophic fall in value for him and a mass exit of other players in addition.
I really don't think we need to worry about relegation.

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Post by box_of_frogs » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:43 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:39 pm
All this speculation; has the club actually bid for (or even enquired about) any players?
Can’t believe we’ve got to 27 pages!

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Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:47 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:16 pm
I really don't think we need to worry about relegation.
We will if Tarks goes in this window! (Which he won't!)

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:57 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:47 pm
We will if Tarks goes in this window! (Which he won't!)
But if he did leave we would not be signing a 19yr old replacement, would we?

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Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:01 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:57 pm
But if he did leave we would not be signing a 19yr old replacement, would we?
I'd like to think not! Bearing in mind that Kevin Long is approaching 30? and has lots of PL experience under his belt, but he really isn't up to it week in week out, so putting our PL future in the hands of a 19 year old would definitely keep me awake!

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Post by KateR » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:01 pm

I'm willing to bet, money to the foodbank, that J. King will not be coming to Burnley FC, that for me is a nonstarter Just for clarification I have been wrong before!

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Post by boatshed bill » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:04 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:01 pm
I'd like to think not! Bearing in mind that Kevin Long is approaching 30? and has lots of PL experience under his belt, but he really isn't up to it week in week out, so putting our PL future in the hands of a 19 year old would definitely keep me awake!
Agreed. KL does well as a stand in, but seems to lack the ability to sustain his highest standards
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Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:10 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:12 pm
Just a while ago and before the takeover was completed posters were saying we needed a CH to replace Long or Benson because our league position was precarious and the squad was too small and there were too many injuries. It was also known that Tarks was likely to leave either in this window or in the summer. It can be argued therefor that we really need two CH's. If Collins is considered by the club to be one of them then to me it just has to be we get him in this window for a number of reasons. So a bid of £4.5m is ludicrous in that situation.

If Collins was to be the main replacement for Tarks then it would be more than sensible to have him at the Turf before Tarks leaves in order to help in his development.

However it is also reported that Arsenal are keen on Collins but were unlikely to buy him due to a lack of available money. However with Ozil having left, then the money will become available. If you were Stoke and you thought Arsenal were interested in your player then in all likelihood you would think Arsenal can outbid Burnley so that you could force Burnley to bid more in order to get your player. So by suggesting Arsenal were a likely suitor then that would give you the ability to push upwards any bid from Burnley. Similarly if you were Collins and you thought Arsenal were interested you might think hmmm better wages, higher profile club now where would I want to go ?

By leaving a realistic bid for Collins until summer then we are very likely to miss out altogether because if Tarks goes then, clubs will realise we need two CH's, getting one is proving hard enough so getting two in the same window will be much harder especially as clubs will know we have cash on the hip from the sale of Tarks and this will push up the prices of players that we may be interested in, especially Collins. I still believe the club is thinking of Collins as a longer term investment to develop and not as an immediate replacement of Tarks. That is why I still think there is a realistic proposition that a deal for the sale of Tarks has been already agreed but not yet publicised.

If you were Collins and you thought you were going to be the direct immediate replacement for Tarks you might agree to go to Burnley now but if you thought Burnley already had another more experienced replacement lined up and you were going to be third choice then you might not want to come to the Turf especially if Arsenal could be still interested in the summer or in this window. If a deal for Tarks has been agreed then getting Collins is an absolute must, so a bid of £4.5m would make no sense whatsoever as there would be no possible way of getting him at that price.

As brilliant as Tarks has been for us I think it is inevitable that the only way we are going to be able to buy the players we are linked to is to sell him now even though it represents a bit of a gamble doing so. I can't see us getting players like Collins or Worall, King, Kenny, Knight, Quiason, replacement for Pieters, another midfielder, right winger, new striker if Vydra leaves or any others we may be linked with unless we get the money from a Tarks sale. I still think we might end up with Jones in a player swap (Tarks) cash deal otherwise we could end up with no-one if we continue to insult clubs with ridiculous bids. Perhaps relegation is now less likely than it was but it is still a real prospect and relegation would not be what ALK are looking for let alone the fans or players. Selling Tarks in the summer after a relegation would see a catastrophic fall in value for him and a mass exit of other players in addition.
Someone who gets it. Tarks/Dyche/Chairman/Takeover all shook hands on this to keep Dyche and Tarks.

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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by claretandy » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:18 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:10 pm
Someone who gets it. Tarks/Dyche/Chairman/Takeover all shook hands on this to keep Dyche and Tarks.
One small problem with this, there are no suitors for Tarks anymore, Leicester signed Fofana, West Ham signed Dawson.

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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by LaLigaClaret » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:38 pm

claretandy wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:18 pm
One small problem with this, there are no suitors for Tarks anymore, Leicester signed Fofana, West Ham signed Dawson.
Seems Frank Lampard was keen but the Chelsea Board vetoed it. Leicester rumoured to again be interested. Dawson was only a loan at the Hammers. I also think that you missed my point that a Tarks deal may already have been agreed with ManU with Jones and cash coming the other way but not yet publicised so that other clubs do not push up prices with us because we have some extra cash from the deal to pursue other deals plus the need to get in a second CH in Collins or Worrall in this window. I think SD remains relaxed because he knows we will be able to make last minute bids on some linked players. Vydra may be sold to aid some extra cash for players or be part of a swap deal involving King. I wouldn't be surprised if Long or Dunne is used with cash for a second CH. I also wouldn't be surprised if someone like Brady becomes a last minute flash sale to help offset King or another winger coming in.
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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by ayrshireclaret83 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:06 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:12 pm
Just a while ago and before the takeover was completed posters were saying we needed a CH to replace Long or Benson because our league position was precarious and the squad was too small and there were too many injuries. It was also known that Tarks was likely to leave either in this window or in the summer. It can be argued therefor that we really need two CH's. If Collins is considered by the club to be one of them then to me it just has to be we get him in this window for a number of reasons. So a bid of £4.5m is ludicrous in that situation.

If Collins was to be the main replacement for Tarks then it would be more than sensible to have him at the Turf before Tarks leaves in order to help in his development.

However it is also reported that Arsenal are keen on Collins but were unlikely to buy him due to a lack of available money. However with Ozil having left, then the money will become available. If you were Stoke and you thought Arsenal were interested in your player then in all likelihood you would think Arsenal can outbid Burnley so that you could force Burnley to bid more in order to get your player. So by suggesting Arsenal were a likely suitor then that would give you the ability to push upwards any bid from Burnley. Similarly if you were Collins and you thought Arsenal were interested you might think hmmm better wages, higher profile club now where would I want to go ?

By leaving a realistic bid for Collins until summer then we are very likely to miss out altogether because if Tarks goes then, clubs will realise we need two CH's, getting one is proving hard enough so getting two in the same window will be much harder especially as clubs will know we have cash on the hip from the sale of Tarks and this will push up the prices of players that we may be interested in, especially Collins. I still believe the club is thinking of Collins as a longer term investment to develop and not as an immediate replacement of Tarks. That is why I still think there is a realistic proposition that a deal for the sale of Tarks has been already agreed but not yet publicised.

If you were Collins and you thought you were going to be the direct immediate replacement for Tarks you might agree to go to Burnley now but if you thought Burnley already had another more experienced replacement lined up and you were going to be third choice then you might not want to come to the Turf especially if Arsenal could be still interested in the summer or in this window. If a deal for Tarks has been agreed then getting Collins is an absolute must, so a bid of £4.5m would make no sense whatsoever as there would be no possible way of getting him at that price.

As brilliant as Tarks has been for us I think it is inevitable that the only way we are going to be able to buy the players we are linked to is to sell him now even though it represents a bit of a gamble doing so. I can't see us getting players like Collins or Worall, King, Kenny, Knight, Quiason, replacement for Pieters, another midfielder, right winger, new striker if Vydra leaves or any others we may be linked with unless we get the money from a Tarks sale. I still think we might end up with Jones in a player swap (Tarks) cash deal otherwise we could end up with no-one if we continue to insult clubs with ridiculous bids. Perhaps relegation is now less likely than it was but it is still a real prospect and relegation would not be what ALK are looking for let alone the fans or players. Selling Tarks in the summer after a relegation would see a catastrophic fall in value for him and a mass exit of other players in addition.
Relegation didn’t decrease Nathan Ake’s valuation surely

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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by Quicknick » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:18 am

Dark Cloud wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:01 pm
I'd like to think not! Bearing in mind that Kevin Long is approaching 30? and has lots of PL experience under his belt, but he really isn't up to it week in week out, so putting our PL future in the hands of a 19 year old would definitely keep me awake!
We signed Colin Waldron in the summer of 1967. He made his debut in the October, at just over 19 years 4 months. Within a year he was club captain.
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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:53 am

Re Colin Waldron he won us the Charity Shield scoring in a very rare win v City at Maine Road.We weren't considered big enough teams to play at Wembley. How times changed.

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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:56 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:41 pm
Correct that’s why I said approaching 24.

So why not say the other is approaching 20.

There you go again twisting statistics to suit an agenda
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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:17 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:56 am
So why not say the other is approaching 20.

There you go again twisting statistics to suit an agenda
Because even at 20 you are signing a young prospect. At 24 your expecting to sign a proven player. Kennedy is not proven and he is approaching 24

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