Hypothetical transfers

[Right_winger]

Say we have £20-£30 M’s to spend , who would you like to sign and why? And would you trust Dyche with any money

[StTedsOB]

“Would you trust Dyche with the money ?”

Why do you ask ? Is there a manager / team in this league with a lower net spend that Burnley and Dyche over a sustained period of 5 or 6 years.

Sheffield United have spent £120m on transfers in the last 18 months - how’s it going for them ?

Brighton - who seem to rarely finish above Burnley and are now being lauded by some on here for their recruitment model have around £350m of short term debt - one of the highest in Europe !!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So that figure you've put out there...

Does it include all the extras like wages, signing on fees agents fees etc?

[Danieljwaterhouse]

I’d trim the squad:

Tarks out 25m

Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free

I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons

Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons

Burke in at 5m

Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons

Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons

I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down

I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.

I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.

If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.

[jrgbfc]

Bogle from Sheffield United has impressed me when i've seen them this season.

[ksrclaret]

No I wouldn’t. If we ever see that sort of cash again, I’d spend it on getting ahead of the interest on the debt we’ve accrued.

And if Alan values his knee caps, he’ll do the same.

[Hibsclaret]

I’d trim the squad:

Tarks out 25m

Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free

I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons

Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons

Burke in at 5m

Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons

Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons

I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down

I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.

I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.

If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.

It’s not the footy manager game..... Daniel Sturridge and Ravel Morrison...

[Danieljwaterhouse]

It’s not the footy manager game..... Daniel Sturridge and Ravel Morrison...

I know that, but both are on frees and both want to be in the North West. We’re a safe option and I think they’d both add value to the club.

[Sproggy]

Do UpTheClarets usual transfer window rules apply on this thread or not?

1. There is nobody in world football, anywhere, ever that we could afford or would improve our first team or would want to play for us in the Premier League on the paltry 35k a week that we offer.

2. Even if there was, because somebody else once made some transfers that didn't work out it means anything anyone on here suggests also won't work out which means it's a catastrophic waste of money.

3. Even if you suggest one transfer of under 5 million quid, the wages, fees, bonuses will bankrupt the club and we'll be playing 2nd division football within 18 months.

Much better sticking with what we've got.

[jojomk1]

I’d trim the squad:

Tarks out 25m

Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free

I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons

Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons

Burke in at 5m

Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons

Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons

I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down

I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.

I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.

If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.

Thank you Mr Rigg

Don't call us - we'll call you

[TsarBomba]

I’d trim the squad:

Tarks out 25m

Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free

I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons

Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons

Burke in at 5m

Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons

Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons

I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down

I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.

I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.

If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.

With the exception of Knight, possibly, I can’t really see any of these signing for Burnley. I can’t say I know too much about Dozell tbh.

Dyche wouldn’t approve the majority, and I very much doubt our new board would sanction the likes of Sturridge and/or Morrison.

I am assuming you mean Oli Burke. Neither he or Cairney have the mental attributes or discipline for a Dyche side.

When Burke signed for Leipzig, Hassenhutl said he didn’t have a ‘football brain’.

Edit- And where are you getting these figures from? Cairney for £3M? Listing these players, you must also be hypothesising that Dyche won’t be here next season?

[Danieljwaterhouse]

With the exception of Knight, possibly, I can’t really see any of these signing for Burnley. I can’t say I know too much about Dozell tbh.

Dyche wouldn’t approve the majority, and I very much doubt our new board would sanction the likes of Sturridge and/or Morrison.

I am assuming you mean Oli Burke. Neither he or Cairney have the mental attributes or discipline for a Dyche side.

When Burke signed for Leipzig, Hassenhutl said he didn’t have a ‘football brain’.

Reece Burke

[TsarBomba]

Reece Burke

Fair enough.

[boatshed bill]

I’d trim the squad:

Tarks out 25m

Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free

I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons

Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons

Burke in at 5m

Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons

Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons

I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down

I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.

I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.

If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.

Trim the squad? 3 out 11 in!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Have I seen someone seriously suggesting Ravel effing Morrison?
The blokes a complete waste of space as a professional footballer

[nyclaret]

I’d trim the squad:

Tarks out 25m

Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free

I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons

Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons

Burke in at 5m

Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons

Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons

I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down

I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.

I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.

If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.

That looks like a team preparing for the Championship. How many of those are proven at this level?

[jrgbfc]

That looks like a team preparing for the Championship. How many of those are proven at this level?

Can we afford proven Premier league players?

[Sproggy]

That looks like a team preparing for the Championship. How many of those are proven at this level?

Brownhill. Heaton. Pope. Mee. Tarkowski. McNeill. Wood. Barnes. JBG. Why do players need to be proven at this level before we sign them?

[Hibsclaret]

Have I seen someone seriously suggesting Ravel effing Morrison?
The blokes a complete waste of space as a professional footballer

Better off with Van Morrison tbh

[Darthlaw]

I’d spend £20-£30m on buying Brentford’s player recruitment team.

[Gordaleman]

I think that it's a long time to the Summer window, and a lot can happen before then. Names come and go and so does the form of current players. Let's wait until nearer the time before picking a new squad eh? At the moment, we have no choice of who we play, unless Sean brings in an out of contract player.

[Dyched]

I’d spend £20-£30m on buying Brentford’s player recruitment team.

Why?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Better off with Van Morrison tbh

Plus the halftime show will be better

[StTedsOB]

Ravel Morrison is one of the funniest things I have seen on here for a long time.
And the justification is he lives in the north west.
Shall we make it a triple coup and get Sean Ryder and Bez in too ?...assuming both still live in the north west !

[Darthlaw]

Why?

Watkins - bought for £1.8m, sold for £25m+
Benrahma - bought for £1.5m sold for £20m+
Maupay - bought £1.8m sold for £20m
Konsa - bought £2.5m sold for £12m

Thats not to mention the money they'll make on sell on clauses like Tarks, which will no doubt earn them an additional £5m+

They seem to make awful good profits on their players.

[Stayingup]

Watkins - bought for £1.8m, sold for £25m+
Benrahma - bought for £1.5m sold for £20m+
Maupay - bought £1.8m sold for £20m
Konsa - bought £2.5m sold for £12m

Thats not to mention the money they'll make on sell on clauses like Tarks, which will no doubt earn them an additional £5m+

They seem to make awful good profits on their players.

And bringing in the like of Ivan Toney who will be worth approx quadruple his transfer fee to them

[Dyched]

Watkins - bought for £1.8m, sold for £25m+
Benrahma - bought for £1.5m sold for £20m+
Maupay - bought £1.8m sold for £20m
Konsa - bought £2.5m sold for £12m

Thats not to mention the money they'll make on sell on clauses like Tarks, which will no doubt earn them an additional £5m+

They seem to make awful good profits on their players.

It a completely different level of football, investment and developing whilst in the Premier League to what Brentford do.

Look at Maupay and what he’s done in the Premier League and forget what he did at Brentford. No way does he go for £20m.

None of those players have proved they can do it in the Premier League long term apart from Tarkowski.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Watkins - bought for £1.8m, sold for £25m+
Benrahma - bought for £1.5m sold for £20m+
Maupay - bought £1.8m sold for £20m
Konsa - bought £2.5m sold for £12m

Thats not to mention the money they'll make on sell on clauses like Tarks, which will no doubt earn them an additional £5m+

They seem to make awful good profits on their players.

They used a tech system mainly, similar to what our lot are planning.

[Gordaleman]

All I know is that if Alan Pace was at last night's game, then he will have begun to realise what a huge task he has taken on.

[StTedsOB]

It a completely different level of football, investment and developing whilst in the Premier League to what Brentford do.

Look at Maupay and what he’s done in the Premier League and forget what he did at Brentford. No way does he go for £20m.

None of those players have proved they can do it in the Premier League long term apart from Tarkowski.

Not so sure I agree
What Brentford do and have done is pretty impressive.
From that list above we seemed to be interested in buying at least 2 of them and were priced out of the market. They have all had decent starts to their careers in the premier leagues and look to have the qualities to sustain this.

But from a Brentford point of view they have been pushing on the door of promotion for a while and these players who they have bought in cheap made significant contributions over a few years to them doing well in the Championship - which based on their previous history of being in the lower leagues is an achievement in itself for the club.

They have now made huge profits on these players, have a new ground, and continue to do very well on the pitch and look like eventually they will get promoted which again when you look at the teams they are competing with is another huge achievement.

And their recruitment strategy / success seems to be by some distance the single biggest reason they are where they are.

All that said - our recruitment over the last decade ain’t been too shabby either !!

[Darthlaw]

They used a tech system mainly, similar to what our lot are planning.

Fingers crossed ours reaps similar financial rewards.

[Darthlaw]

It a completely different level of football, investment and developing whilst in the Premier League to what Brentford do.

Look at Maupay and what he’s done in the Premier League and forget what he did at Brentford. No way does he go for £20m.

None of those players have proved they can do it in the Premier League long term apart from Tarkowski.

But Maupay DID go for £20m. Whether he's worth that is anyones guess, but the fact remains they made £18m on him.

Comparing directly, would you prefer Benrahma to our other backup wingers? (Ah yeah, we dont have any), Watkins as part of our current strikers (definite yes) and Konsa vs Dunne or Long is certainly a worthwhile debate.

Regardless, the point I'm making is Brentford turned £10m outlay into £77m. If we can do that, not only do the worries about paying debts disappear but our ability to go sign quality players for the squad is vastly improved.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

But Maupay DID go for £20m. Whether he's worth that is anyones guess, but the fact remains they made £18m on him.

Comparing directly, would you prefer Benrahma to our other backup wingers? (Ah yeah, we dont have any), Watkins as part of our current strikers (definite yes) and Konsa vs Dunne or Long is certainly a worthwhile debate.

Regardless, the point I'm making is Brentford turned £10m outlay into £77m. If we can do that, not only do the worries about paying debts disappear but our ability to go sign quality players for the squad is vastly improved.

Just one of the ways of increasing the revenue streams that people can't seem to grasp

[Jakubs Tash]

They used a tech system mainly, similar to what our lot are planning.

I think quite a few have got the wrong end of the stick on this 'tech that we are planning to use'. It is my understanding that the new tech is to look for and recruit young players who could potentially join the youth setup.

I think I am fairly confident in suggesting that our 1st team recruitment team already use some sort of tech to profile players alongside the usual 'old skool' scouting system. There will be some sort of system that logs players and their strengths that is used by numerous football clubs I would have thought.

[Dyched]

Not so sure I agree
What Brentford do and have done is pretty impressive.
From that list above we seemed to be interested in buying at least 2 of them and were priced out of the market. They have all had decent starts to their careers in the premier leagues and look to have the qualities to sustain this.

But from a Brentford point of view they have been pushing on the door of promotion for a while and these players who they have bought in cheap made significant contributions over a few years to them doing well in the Championship - which based on their previous history of being in the lower leagues is an achievement in itself for the club.

They have now made huge profits on these players, have a new ground, and continue to do very well on the pitch and look like eventually they will get promoted which again when you look at the teams they are competing with is another huge achievement.

And their recruitment strategy / success seems to be by some distance the single biggest reason they are where they are.

All that said - our recruitment over the last decade ain’t been too shabby either !!

Since we started our first Premier League season (2014/15) under Sean Dyche, Brentford have finished 5th, 9th, 10th, 9th, 11th and 3rd in the Championship. They’ve made profits on players granted. They’ve built a new stadium granted. But at no point have they come close to promotion apart from last season. Only a handful of players they’ve sold have made it in the Premier League and only one (James Tarkowski) has shown he can do it for several years in this league.

Their recruitment might look nice but in reality it hasn’t got them anywhere as yet.

[Darthlaw]

under Sean Dyche

The key part.

Just as Dyche inherited Howe's squad and galvanised them, imagine what he could do with quality recruits.

[Dyched]

But Maupay DID go for £20m. Whether he's worth that is anyones guess, but the fact remains they made £18m on him.

Comparing directly, would you prefer Benrahma to our other backup wingers? (Ah yeah, we dont have any), Watkins as part of our current strikers (definite yes) and Konsa vs Dunne or Long is certainly a worthwhile debate.

Regardless, the point I'm making is Brentford turned £10m outlay into £77m. If we can do that, not only do the worries about paying debts disappear but our ability to go sign quality players for the squad is vastly improved.

I know Maupay sold for that amount, but that’s with 2 Championship seasons behind him. We were in the Premier League at that time. If we bought him when Brentford did and he never played in the Championship, he wouldn’t have been sold for £20m.

It’s a different level buying cheap in the Championship, not really challenging for promotion, selling, buying, repeat, repeat.

[Sproggy]

Comparing directly, would you prefer Benrahma to our other backup wingers?

No need. Matt Lowton converted seamlessly into a winger last night. Like a new signing.

[Sproggy]

It a completely different level of football, investment and developing whilst in the Premier League to what Brentford do.

Look at Maupay and what he’s done in the Premier League and forget what he did at Brentford. No way does he go for £20m.

None of those players have proved they can do it in the Premier League long term apart from Tarkowski.

1. There is nobody in world football, anywhere, ever that we could afford or would improve our first team or would want to play for us in the Premier League on the paltry 35k a week that we offer.

[Darthlaw]

Is that you, Mino?

[Dyched]

The key part.

Just as Dyche inherited Howe's squad and galvanised them, imagine what he could do with quality recruits.

Quality recruits.

I think Tom Heaton blows away whatever Brentford have ever achieved in the transfer market.

Free, promotion, promotion, England, sold at profit.

Michael Keane
Small fee, Promotion, England sold for a large profit. Again blows away whatever Brentford have ever achieved.

Andre Gray.
Yes Brentford made a profit, but he came here won promotion (Something Brentford haven’t) we sold for profit and he’s gone on to show he isn’t cut out for this level.

James Tarkowski
Yes Brentford made a profit, but he came here England call up, the only actual player Brentford have sold in the past 6 years that has had Premier League longevity.

Look at what Brentford do all you want. Make all the profit you want. The simple facts are we’ve had far, far more money getting in the likes of those listed and players like Arfield, Boyd, Jones, Pope than Brentford can even dream about.

[nyclaret]

Brownhill. Heaton. Pope. Mee. Tarkowski. McNeill. Wood. Barnes. JBG. Why do players need to be proven at this level before we sign them?

and how much did we spend on them in total???

[StTedsOB]

Since we started our first Premier League season (2014/15) under Sean Dyche, Brentford have finished 5th, 9th, 10th, 9th, 11th and 3rd in the Championship. They’ve made profits on players granted. They’ve built a new stadium granted. But at no point have they come close to promotion apart from last season. Only a handful of players they’ve sold have made it in the Premier League and only one (James Tarkowski) has shown he can do it for several years in this league.

Their recruitment might look nice but in reality it hasn’t got them anywhere as yet.

If they finished 5th then is that not close to the Premier League ?
But the point is more about their record prior to this - they were a division one / two team for many years and they are now an established championship team. We know how important this was to Burnley after Stan got us up and our sustained period in the championship after that was a massive thing for the fans and for the club.

As for the players they have sold it’s quite difficult for them to do it for the length of period Tarks has when they were sold a lot more recently !!
The early signs for all these players are good - but even if they end up not being long term successes (not sure how you can take this view at this stage) Brentford’s strategy will still have been a big success because they have already banked the profit. What does it matter to Brentford now ?

Not sure how you can describe what Brentford have done in the last few years as anything but very successful. And to lose the quality of players they have and still be buying players like Toney for peanuts and be competing again at the top of the league seems to suggest it’s more by design than luck. You have to also context their success in what is a very tough league relative to the wealth / budgets and size of teams around them.....which is something we are of course familiar with.

And just to be clear what Burnley has done has also been very successful !! We have also bought and sold well - and the one thing we have had that Brentford haven’t is an incredible manager.

[leightonjameslegend]

Presuming Tarks is off in the Summer and we get a fee for Gibson from Norwich, we need 2 x CB. We will probably be back in for Nathan Collins, but still, need another CB making Long 4th choice again with Dunne leaving or going out on Loan. A RB is also required as Bardsley looks to be off and need someone to push or replace Lowts in the first team. If we are lucky that business can all be done with the money we get in for Tarks/Gibson.

We then still need a pacy Winger and I can see Brady going as he is out of contract freeing up a wage.

Would like to see a creative centre mid but just don't think we will have the budget.

Then finally will Vydra be sold to get in a pacy striker who can score? I like Vyds, his movement is brilliant but seems to need too many chances to score.
Think Wood and Jrod will come good again and Barnes is worth keeping for how he unsettles the opposition.

All in all, I make the minimum INS = 5 / OUTS = 6 +

Not holding my breath but we have one hell of a busy summer coming up!

[Darthlaw]

Quality recruits.

I think Tom Heaton blows away whatever Brentford have ever achieved in the transfer market.

Free, promotion, promotion, England, sold at profit.

Michael Keane
Small fee, Promotion, England sold for a large profit. Again blows away whatever Brentford have ever achieved.

Andre Gray.
Yes Brentford made a profit, but he came here won promotion (Something Brentford haven’t) we sold for profit and he’s gone on to show he isn’t cut out for this level.

James Tarkowski
Yes Brentford made a profit, but he came here England call up, the only actual player Brentford have sold in the past 6 years that has had Premier League longevity.

Look at what Brentford do all you want. Make all the profit you want. The simple facts are we’ve had far, far more money getting in the likes of those listed and players like Arfield, Boyd, Jones, Pope than Brentford can even dream about.

'Whatever Brentford have achieved?' Michael Keane is a direct copy of the profit Brentford made with Olly Watkins then they did it again with Benrahma! Two of your examples even show Brentford making a profit!

Are you getting confused with transfer profit and performance on the pitch?

Put another way, do you think Dyche in charge of Brentford would have got to the PL? Would BFC have made it to the PL without Dyche? He is the key factor in the performance on the pitch. To then back him up with a quality recruitment side, would be immense.

[Dyched]

'Whatever Brentford have achieved?' Michael Keane is a direct copy of the profit Brentford made with Olly Watkins then they did it again with Benrahma! Two of your examples even show Brentford making a profit!

Are you getting confused with transfer profit and performance on the pitch?

Put another way, do you think Dyche in charge of Brentford would have got to the PL? Would BFC have made it to the PL without Dyche? He is the key factor in the performance on the pitch. To then back him up with a quality recruitment side, would be immense.

I was highlighting that it’s okay saying how well Brentford are at making profits, but if you’re not achieving anything on the pitch then it’s pretty silly suggesting Burnley should copy the Brentford model. Isn’t it?

They have their model, we have ours. When did Brentford have 2 top 10 finishes in the Premier League. When did Brentford get into the Europa League qualifiers?

[jrgbfc]

Presuming Tarks is off in the Summer and we get a fee for Gibson from Norwich, we need 2 x CB. We will probably be back in for Nathan Collins, but still, need another CB making Long 4th choice again with Dunne leaving or going out on Loan. An RB is also required as Bardsley looks to be off and need someone to push or replace Lows in the first team. If we are lucky that business can all be done with the money we get in for Tarks/Gibson.

We then still need a Winger with pace and I can see Brady going as he is out of contract freeing up a wage.

Would like to see a creative centre mid but just don't think we will have the budget.

Then finally will Vydra be sold to get in a pacy striker who can score? I like Vyds, his movement is brilliant but seems to need too many chances to score.
Think Wood and Jrod will come good again and Barnes is worth keeping for how he unsettles the opposition.

All in all, I make the minimum INS = 5 / OUTS = 6 +

Not holding my breath but we have one hell of a busy summer coming up!

I'd agree with all that. Finding a centre back good enough to step in and play with Ben Mee straight away is vital. I think we need to be looking to sign an upgrade on Lowton as well, even though he's playing well at the moment.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

1. There is nobody in world football, anywhere, ever that we could afford or would improve our first team or would want to play for us in the Premier League on the paltry 35k a week that we offer.

Ben Mee is our best paid player on £55k.

Also, West Ham have a tendency to pay some of their new lads less than £20k a week and offer them a much improved deal if they can prove themselves.

[Rileybobs]

'Whatever Brentford have achieved?' Michael Keane is a direct copy of the profit Brentford made with Olly Watkins then they did it again with Benrahma! Two of your examples even show Brentford making a profit!

Are you getting confused with transfer profit and performance on the pitch?

Put another way, do you think Dyche in charge of Brentford would have got to the PL? Would BFC have made it to the PL without Dyche? He is the key factor in the performance on the pitch. To then back him up with a quality recruitment side, would be immense.

I've posted similar before, but we're not comparable with Brentford. They are an established Championship-level club who can afford to throw a number of young and unproven players into their side in order to gain experience at that level. The successful ones are then sold to Premier League sides at a substantial profit.

Where we differ is that we are battling to stay in the Premier League every season - that's likely to be the case for as long as we're at this level. As a result, we don't have the 'luxury' of offering first team development to players who aren't yet even proven in the Championship. Nor do we have the financial luxury of being able to buy these players and loan them out to a Championship club.

I'm not undermining what Brentford do, and they must be the envy of a lot of Championship clubs, but as things stand we're a totally different entity.

[Vegas Claret]

I’d trim the squad:

Tarks out 25m

Barnes out 1m - Dunne 500k - J Rod - free

I’d have Knight in 7m plus add ons

Bennetts and Dozzell in at 18m plus add ons

Burke in at 5m

Armstrong in at 15m plus add ons

Sawyers in at 10m plus add ons

I’d bring in Cairney for 3m if Fulham go down

I’d try and get Garner and Laird from United on two year loan deals.

I’d try in the free market for: Daniel Sturridge, and Ravel Morrison.

If Dyche goes, I am going for Joey and Duff together.

Barnes out for 1 million ? Has he only got 20 minutes left on his contract ?