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Ian strikes the match and then leaves the building
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Not necessarily. We had the whole of January when we could have acted and that wasn't on his watch tbf. I accept that January isn't the best time to do business and you may not get best value, but even so.....
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joke?
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When I opened this thread, I had visions of Naughty Mike being here to cheer us up.
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No need to panic and certainly no need to pish a shed load up a gain the wall in a January transfer window
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Contracts....
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The only thing he's done wrong is to sell the club.
But after the stick he's had (if this MB is a barometer of it) I really don't blame him.
But after the stick he's had (if this MB is a barometer of it) I really don't blame him.
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He's the perfect example of why one should never buy a club they're a fan of tbh.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:29 pmThe only thing he's done wrong is to sell the club.
But after the stick he's had (if this MB is a barometer of it) I really don't blame him.
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To be fair, he's done fantastic work for BFC.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:32 pmHe's the perfect example of why one should never buy a club they're a fan of tbh.
Fans are greedy.
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Did all the right things, said all the right things, all rowing in the right direction collectively. Looks like he then decided around three years ago, at least on face value, to look after himself first. Only he knows the truth.
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Did a great job though especially in the earlier years. Signings like andre gray and joey Barton were massive and gave everyone a lift.LlandennyClaret wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:07 pmDid all the right things, said all the right things, all rowing in the right direction collectively. Looks like he then decided around three years ago, at least on face value, to look after himself first. Only he knows the truth.
Oh how I miss that feeling of being excited for a signing
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For little or no profit which is commendable, and not at all greedyboatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:33 pmTo be fair, he's done fantastic work for BFC.
Fans are greedy.
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I was only a kid during our dark Division Four days when the club didn't have a pot to pee in, but I still remember my dad saying he would buy the club if he came into big money, like a pools win or something. My mum laughed and said he would become the most hated man in Burnley within a year.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:32 pmHe's the perfect example of why one should never buy a club they're a fan of tbh.
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The lack of investment recently has been down to him wanting to line his trouser pockets. Now we are stuck with borrowing to fund. I don’t think a few fan comments on a forum would have been the deciding factor.
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Other clubs in the top tier view the Prem money as funding for maintainance and development...both in terms of infrastructure and provision of genuinely elite football, with a view to competing at the highest possible level.
This applied to us too in the Kilby years and the early Garlick years.
Latterly Garlick and JB clearly started to view the money more as a prize to be whacked out between them.
This applied to us too in the Kilby years and the early Garlick years.
Latterly Garlick and JB clearly started to view the money more as a prize to be whacked out between them.
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This was from The Sun just over 4 years ago. I wonder what changed? $$$ $$$
"BORN 200 yards from Turf Moor and educated at Burnley Grammar School, Mike Garlick is among the last of a dying breed.
When Burnley’s chairman and largest shareholder talks of keeping the Union flag flying over his club’s fortress of a home ground, he has a smile on his face.
But the Clarets are now a uniquely local club in what Premier League chief Richard Scudamore markets as the ‘world league’.
Burnley are one of just five British-owned outfits in the top flight; Garlick and Sean Dyche are the league’s only English owner-manager duo and the club buys largely British and Irish players.
Garlick is a man of the world, who runs a recruitment consultancy with thousands of employees across the planet.
But in football, he believes a club’s links with its local community truly matter.
And so Garlick is regularly turning down takeover bids and offers of foreign investment now Burnley are becoming established in a league which is a global phenomenon.
As Burnley prepared to face Roman Abramovich’s Chelsea on Sunday, Garlick said: “We get a lot of enquiries from abroad about takeovers or investment.
“It is something we tread carefully on. It’s difficult to check out who these people really are. I wouldn’t rule out investment — but I don’t think we’d ever want to lose control of the club.
“If someone could take us a step forward, who knows, but an outright takeover, I don’t think so. There are some good stories but there are horror stories as well.
“I don’t want to sell the club to someone with no feeling for the club who then makes a mess of it. I don’t want them to say in 30 years’ time, ‘It was Garlick’s fault for selling’.
“I regularly get calls from lawyers, agents, intermediaries — but the club is not for sale.
“There are good foreign owners but I’m quite proud to be one of only five English-owned clubs still standing.
“There’s ourselves, Stoke, Middlesbrough, West Ham and Spurs — if someone had said there’d be so few British owners 20 years ago, they’d have said you were barking mad.”
With a population of 70,000, Burnley is the smallest town ever to boast a Premier League club. And average gates of more than 20,000 make it the best-supported club in the country per head of population.
Garlick, 53, said: “You just don’t see kids in Liverpool or Man United shirts in Burnley. Everyone supports their hometown club.
“I grew up in Burnley, went to university in Bradford, then moved south through work. But like many people, my football club was the way I kept in touch with my town. Very little else has that pull. It’s tribal.
“All Premier League clubs do a lot for local communities, as a brand the League is great at that. But if ownership goes foreign, it’s not quite the same.
“We will try to keep the flag flying as long as we can. We’re the only English owned and managed club now — and we have a predominantly British and Irish team.
“People say you get better value for money abroad. If they relocate from abroad, you’re doubling the risk because they might not settle.”
It may sound as though Garlick and his directors, all local men, are swimming against the tide with this philosophy.
But since Garlick took charge, initially as co-chairman in 2012, Burnley have been promoted twice — the first time shocking even themselves by doing so on a shoestring budget.
Now they are about to open a new £13million training complex and look set to stay up thanks to the third-best home record in the top flight.
Garlick splits his time between the Clarets and running his own company, Michael Bailey Associates (using his wife’s maiden name as he felt his own surname was too ‘smelly’) — although during a transfer window, the football is all-consuming.
The two managers Garlick has hired, Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche, suggest his background in recruitment has aided him in football.
He said: “I’d previously interviewed thousands of managers for clients and the most important decision you make at a football club is appointing your manager.
“When we appointed Sean in 2012 the fans were totally underwhelmed, it was like, ‘Sean who?’
“But he had a strong coaching and development background and as a man-manager he’s excellent. No question, he was the right choice.”
Garlick enjoys Premier League owners’ meetings — ‘There are a lot of big personalities around that table and it’s a big table’ — but he has yet to meet Abramovich.
Garlick added: “He’s been a very good foreign owner. But an away game at Burnley never seems to have been a priority.”
MIKE GARLICK - HIS TOP TIPS
1 MANY chairmen lose their shirts with transfer window madness. Stick to your guns. They call me “lastminute.mike.com” for buying late in a window but it seems to work.
2 ALWAYS be honest with fans. Fail to deliver on extravagant promises and they will never take you seriously.
3 BE careful with social media. Communicating via recognised local and national media is nearly always better.
4 MAKE decisions based on what is best for the club, not your own short-term popularity. A chairman wants to be respected but doesn’t need to be loved.
5 CHOOSE the best manager for the job, not the recognised “brand name”. Our fans were underwhelmed when Sean Dyche was appointed – they’re not now."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... ealth/amp/
"BORN 200 yards from Turf Moor and educated at Burnley Grammar School, Mike Garlick is among the last of a dying breed.
When Burnley’s chairman and largest shareholder talks of keeping the Union flag flying over his club’s fortress of a home ground, he has a smile on his face.
But the Clarets are now a uniquely local club in what Premier League chief Richard Scudamore markets as the ‘world league’.
Burnley are one of just five British-owned outfits in the top flight; Garlick and Sean Dyche are the league’s only English owner-manager duo and the club buys largely British and Irish players.
Garlick is a man of the world, who runs a recruitment consultancy with thousands of employees across the planet.
But in football, he believes a club’s links with its local community truly matter.
And so Garlick is regularly turning down takeover bids and offers of foreign investment now Burnley are becoming established in a league which is a global phenomenon.
As Burnley prepared to face Roman Abramovich’s Chelsea on Sunday, Garlick said: “We get a lot of enquiries from abroad about takeovers or investment.
“It is something we tread carefully on. It’s difficult to check out who these people really are. I wouldn’t rule out investment — but I don’t think we’d ever want to lose control of the club.
“If someone could take us a step forward, who knows, but an outright takeover, I don’t think so. There are some good stories but there are horror stories as well.
“I don’t want to sell the club to someone with no feeling for the club who then makes a mess of it. I don’t want them to say in 30 years’ time, ‘It was Garlick’s fault for selling’.
“I regularly get calls from lawyers, agents, intermediaries — but the club is not for sale.
“There are good foreign owners but I’m quite proud to be one of only five English-owned clubs still standing.
“There’s ourselves, Stoke, Middlesbrough, West Ham and Spurs — if someone had said there’d be so few British owners 20 years ago, they’d have said you were barking mad.”
With a population of 70,000, Burnley is the smallest town ever to boast a Premier League club. And average gates of more than 20,000 make it the best-supported club in the country per head of population.
Garlick, 53, said: “You just don’t see kids in Liverpool or Man United shirts in Burnley. Everyone supports their hometown club.
“I grew up in Burnley, went to university in Bradford, then moved south through work. But like many people, my football club was the way I kept in touch with my town. Very little else has that pull. It’s tribal.
“All Premier League clubs do a lot for local communities, as a brand the League is great at that. But if ownership goes foreign, it’s not quite the same.
“We will try to keep the flag flying as long as we can. We’re the only English owned and managed club now — and we have a predominantly British and Irish team.
“People say you get better value for money abroad. If they relocate from abroad, you’re doubling the risk because they might not settle.”
It may sound as though Garlick and his directors, all local men, are swimming against the tide with this philosophy.
But since Garlick took charge, initially as co-chairman in 2012, Burnley have been promoted twice — the first time shocking even themselves by doing so on a shoestring budget.
Now they are about to open a new £13million training complex and look set to stay up thanks to the third-best home record in the top flight.
Garlick splits his time between the Clarets and running his own company, Michael Bailey Associates (using his wife’s maiden name as he felt his own surname was too ‘smelly’) — although during a transfer window, the football is all-consuming.
The two managers Garlick has hired, Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche, suggest his background in recruitment has aided him in football.
He said: “I’d previously interviewed thousands of managers for clients and the most important decision you make at a football club is appointing your manager.
“When we appointed Sean in 2012 the fans were totally underwhelmed, it was like, ‘Sean who?’
“But he had a strong coaching and development background and as a man-manager he’s excellent. No question, he was the right choice.”
Garlick enjoys Premier League owners’ meetings — ‘There are a lot of big personalities around that table and it’s a big table’ — but he has yet to meet Abramovich.
Garlick added: “He’s been a very good foreign owner. But an away game at Burnley never seems to have been a priority.”
MIKE GARLICK - HIS TOP TIPS
1 MANY chairmen lose their shirts with transfer window madness. Stick to your guns. They call me “lastminute.mike.com” for buying late in a window but it seems to work.
2 ALWAYS be honest with fans. Fail to deliver on extravagant promises and they will never take you seriously.
3 BE careful with social media. Communicating via recognised local and national media is nearly always better.
4 MAKE decisions based on what is best for the club, not your own short-term popularity. A chairman wants to be respected but doesn’t need to be loved.
5 CHOOSE the best manager for the job, not the recognised “brand name”. Our fans were underwhelmed when Sean Dyche was appointed – they’re not now."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... ealth/amp/
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Fattened the goose so he could line his own pockets.
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He was right in selling the club. He had clearly become disinterested in running it. Along with Barry Kilby and JB, he has dragged it up from the dark days of Bob Lords dictatorial ownership. And I should give a positive mention to the late Frank Teasdale who also had a hand in club custodianship.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:29 pmThe only thing he's done wrong is to sell the club.
But after the stick he's had (if this MB is a barometer of it) I really don't blame him.
Many fans will struggle to understand why the Chairman would choose to continually expect his team manager to juggle a threadbare squad of players whilst running up £40m plus of cash in the bank.
It's admirable that Dyche can work miracles in a squad where only Dale Stephens has been added during the last twelve months but it does leave the club in a situation where we are hanging on to 0-0 against ten men WBA, who have won only two games all season and conceded over two goals per game.
Time for major investment.
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that will require a new Investor with actual cash
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Which therefore suggests a downward trajectory (and probable loss of Dyche) in the near future.
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This is true.
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Triffic.
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He's literally taken the money and run. Shameful. Still not defending today's shambles though.
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Empty windows and unrenewed contracts left us short and is now causing injury to a threadbare squad.
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Garlick has done fantastically for Burnley Football Club
He had to sell to get Burnley to the next level although he has quite a lot of money he is not that rich to plough loads of money into the club that’s needed to keep in the prem
It would have been just a mater of time before going down, with these new owners they will be able to handle the financial aspects of keeping us in the prem
Saying that there is still no guarantee that we will still be playing in the prem
I’m optimistic for next season I’m sure we will see a different team
We are all fans and will support the Clarets which ever league we are in and I would like to thank MG for the work he did for Burnley Football Club
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He had to sell to get Burnley to the next level although he has quite a lot of money he is not that rich to plough loads of money into the club that’s needed to keep in the prem
It would have been just a mater of time before going down, with these new owners they will be able to handle the financial aspects of keeping us in the prem
Saying that there is still no guarantee that we will still be playing in the prem
I’m optimistic for next season I’m sure we will see a different team
We are all fans and will support the Clarets which ever league we are in and I would like to thank MG for the work he did for Burnley Football Club
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Neglected the playing squad for his own financial gain
But do not forget he is a bigger and better fan than you or I.
And HE has done a fantastic job
Thanks for all the memories
But do not forget he is a bigger and better fan than you or I.
And HE has done a fantastic job
Thanks for all the memories
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Well if we go down and we might, then lack of investment and allowing certian players to leave will be the main cause. We have some players just nyt up to it - notably wingers for different reasons and yet we didnt strengthen and allowed Lennon to go. He didn't break any pots but he was not injured 90% of the time. Hendrick left for nothing and would have been useful to us now. Over the years we have unfortnatley lost players for minimal fees (Ings Tripps come to mind). Of course players use us as a stepping stone to move up and of late following Keane, Tarkowski will now and probably Pope.
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He could always bullshit his way through an interview as well.
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That is a very good point.Local cricketer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:39 amDeserves credit for keeping season ticket prices the same
I did put it to them to increase them by £1 so we can having running hot water and basic cleaning facilities in the toilets.
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Acquiring 2 or 3 players and extending contracts of a couple of key ones wouldn’t have had a material effect on the overall value of the club, nor its ability to complete a leveraged sale.....in fact it could possibly have helped by giving more certainty to sustainable cash flows.......
I don’t understand just the borderline reckless approach to recruitment in his last year.......or two
Had he not done that he could have left with everyone’s backing and a job well done ...........it’s amazing we are where we are compared to years ago......the recruitment policy was just bizarre....
Let’s see what summer brings......
Hopefully a release from this pandemic safely for all!!!
I don’t understand just the borderline reckless approach to recruitment in his last year.......or two
Had he not done that he could have left with everyone’s backing and a job well done ...........it’s amazing we are where we are compared to years ago......the recruitment policy was just bizarre....
Let’s see what summer brings......
Hopefully a release from this pandemic safely for all!!!
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People keep saying how hard the January window was, but we need to collectively look at what business was done in the last 3 windows
Forget money for a while, we have lost that "smartness" in the market, which existed until the past 2-3 seasons. This coincides with the creation of our our Technical Analytical Recruitment team. Prior to that we proved it was possible to make some stella signings-Ings, Austin, Mee, Trippier, Heaton, Arfield, Keane, Gray, Tarkowski, Pope,Wood, Taylor, Barnes. Something is not right. All the names I mentioned have in no way broke the bank.
Forget money for a while, we have lost that "smartness" in the market, which existed until the past 2-3 seasons. This coincides with the creation of our our Technical Analytical Recruitment team. Prior to that we proved it was possible to make some stella signings-Ings, Austin, Mee, Trippier, Heaton, Arfield, Keane, Gray, Tarkowski, Pope,Wood, Taylor, Barnes. Something is not right. All the names I mentioned have in no way broke the bank.
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He must’ve been a bit of a Nostradamus, our Mike. He was saving for a rainy day long before COVID struck.
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You confirmed your lack of understanding in your first sentence/paragraph in your second sentence/paragraph what you think is recklessness was not, what is recklessness is what you proposed in with your first sentence/paragraph.Jimmymaccer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:58 amAcquiring 2 or 3 players and extending contracts of a couple of key ones wouldn’t have had a material effect on the overall value of the club, nor its ability to complete a leveraged sale.....in fact it could possibly have helped by giving more certainty to sustainable cash flows.......
I don’t understand just the borderline reckless approach to recruitment in his last year.......or two
What you proposed in the first sentence/paragraph would have led to an operational loss, with Premier League revenues resulting in a negative cashflow
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People really believe this? we've stood still in the transfer market for how long? as they say, stand still and you go backwards. We all now know, the money was available to spend in the previous summer window.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:29 pmThe only thing he's done wrong is to sell the club.
But after the stick he's had (if this MB is a barometer of it) I really don't blame him.
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You've already dismissed the effect of Covid on football finances.
Probably a good idea if you stop digging yourself in deeper...
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There was money built up, that money didn't disappear when Covid hit. I'm not sure why you've suddenly started taking this defend everything approach, like a Sidney alter ego, I guess you just like to argue with everyone.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:09 pmYou've already dismissed the effect of Covid on football finances.
Probably a good idea if you stop digging yourself in deeper...
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Every club is required to hand back money from the broadcasting deal in the form of a rebate.
Then we've had a drop in Matchday finances.
We didn't lay anyone off, nor take loans from the banks etc.
I'm not defending everything, it's your refusal to learn what's going on that's making you look as stupid as the others on here when the information is already on this forum.
Yes the money was built up, but we've had a very long rainy day and the money was needed.
Maybe one day some of you will understand this, but I doubt it.
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The only rainy day he’s been saving for is himself. Our manager sussed it and most of our fans have sussed it, too.
Unfortunately, it looks like we’ve been flogged to people with even less money than Garlick and John B.
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You're like a politician, there was money in the bank in the summer, available for transfers. How on earth are you trying to say otherwise?GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:17 pmEvery club is required to hand back money from the broadcasting deal in the form of a rebate.
Then we've had a drop in Matchday finances.
We didn't lay anyone off, nor take loans from the banks etc.
I'm not defending everything, it's your refusal to learn what's going on that's making you look as stupid as the others on here when the information is already on this forum.
Yes the money was built up, but we've had a very long rainy day and the money was needed.
Maybe one day some of you will understand this, but I doubt it.
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Until we see the accounts covering the Covid crisis we will never know the financial implications of it and whether money was being saved to help cover this.
Certainly Garlick was cautious and clearly he did not see any benefits of going into the type of debt scenario that the new owners have committed the club to
He certainly has to take some of the blame for a lack of team strengthening but, for me, the blame for that lies equally at the doors of the recruitment team
Dyche, Rigg and Hodge, working together, have produced very little in the recruitment dept
B@llocks to the phrase "I don't know what budget I have" - it's so easy to blame someone else for their own shortcomings
And now the new owners want to bring in another vision for player recruitment
Well, lets get rid of the old version first
Certainly Garlick was cautious and clearly he did not see any benefits of going into the type of debt scenario that the new owners have committed the club to
He certainly has to take some of the blame for a lack of team strengthening but, for me, the blame for that lies equally at the doors of the recruitment team
Dyche, Rigg and Hodge, working together, have produced very little in the recruitment dept
B@llocks to the phrase "I don't know what budget I have" - it's so easy to blame someone else for their own shortcomings
And now the new owners want to bring in another vision for player recruitment
Well, lets get rid of the old version first
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There was money in the bank yes.
I've already pointed out the TV rebate.
Then other operational costs etc.
Can't help you anymore than that, because it's clear you're not interested in the figures and facts that go against your agenda, unsurprisingly.
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Lets's flip itGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:21 pmThere was money in the bank yes.
I've already pointed out the TV rebate.
Then other operational costs etc.
Can't help you anymore than that, because it's clear you're not interested in the figures and facts that go against your agenda, unsurprisingly.
KRBFC - how much revenue do you think we have budgeted for this season and and outline the same for next season (assuming full attendance and traditional schedule for match days)
Then do the same for costs (without transfers) then we can talk about just how much money there really is)
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