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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:36 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:30 pm
I can still taste mine from 10 years ago!
Bet it's still not cooled down either! ;)
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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:42 pm

MACCA wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:20 am
Spot on.

You need a wide range of supporters, possibly more that are up to speed with modern things, fresh ideas etc.
No point having the same faces that nod along.

You need people to ask the difficult questions and who
arent afraid not to tow the party lines.
( not that I'm saying that's always the case with the current ones )

A complete fresh approach is what's needed as the old regime clearly wasnt working, I've heard the same concerns, gripes or questions from supporters that I heard many many years ago, that still havent been solved or answered.
What same old faces? Ask who the difficult questions? What's the 'old regime'? How is he spot on? He doesn't even know which group he is talking about!

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:42 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:17 pm
I've got no idea what DNS tunnelling is or what the relevance is, sorry. Is this a method that can allow someone to get internet coverage at Turf Moor?
Personal dab radios aren’t a bad invention & will tell you what you need to know without accessing cellular data/WIFI.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:48 pm

Eyres_11 wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:24 pm
The beer thing is more of a speed thing, its amazing but it currently takes them longer to turn around, get out two bottles, take the tops off, take the money than it would to have 2 pre poured just before half time beers.

Fast internet would be nice but the wifi would get jammed just as much as the 4g does, if its just other scored that you are worried about these are often announced anyway.
I don't think it's beyond the wit of man to have an internet connection that can be used by spectators. To my knowledge only the Premier League scores are announced, and this is at half time and full time. Some fans may wish to check the scores during the game for obvious reasons. There are many other reasons that an internet connection would be welcomed too, I've already mentioned people who want or need audio coverage, fans who want to communicate by Whatsapp etc. It's far from being a priority but it's not unreasonable to expect in this day and age.

Paying by card was only introduced into the JMU last season!

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by MACCA » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:52 pm

dsr wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:30 am
I'm afraid if you are waiting for the regime that will make everyone happy and stop people from griping or questioning things, you might be waiting a long time.
I understand you can never please everyone, but you should be able to satisfy people by possibly having the basic hygiene facilities working in toilets and such like.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Eyres_11 » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:38 pm

Leisure wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:35 pm
I still don't know which group you are talking about (and it seems that even you don't know) but you still feel the need to criticise it and it's members (although I don't know how you can know who the members are when you don't even know the name of the group!). There is no supporters group which has 'a certain communication with the club' (other than the Clarets Trust, which may do so as they are a shareholder). For information, there are a number of different independent supporters groups and these come together in the Burnley FC Supporters Groups, which meets on a monthly basis. This group has no arrangement to meet with the club (which we would dearly love to have!). However, we do communicate through the Supporters Liaison Officer, to either try to resolve issues which supporters have raised with us or issues which we as a group feel that we need to bring to the attention of the club. Last year the club facilitated the setting up a Supporters Board, with members chosen by the club from applications. I don't know the current position with that group, as no information on their work has been made public.
The supporters board is the one I am talking about, the very face that no information has been made public is exactly my point, not exactly a voice for the supporters is it?

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:47 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:48 pm
I don't think it's beyond the wit of man to have an internet connection that can be used by spectators.
I dont think this would work because if you had thousands of people trying to connect to the same wifi it would just overload it and you would have the exact same issues you see now trying to use your mobile data.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:10 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:47 pm
I dont think this would work because if you had thousands of people trying to connect to the same wifi it would just overload it and you would have the exact same issues you see now trying to use your mobile data.
That’s correct, it’s because everybody’s concentrated within a smallish area, if people were more spread out the networks/masts would cope better. To most people within 90 mins it doesn’t constitute a massive problem as you can use other methods to find out what’s going on. It’s only a odd 1 or 2 that find it troublesome & yes you’ve guessed it :D

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by jdrobbo » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:34 pm

Leisure wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:35 pm
I still don't know which group you are talking about (and it seems that even you don't know) but you still feel the need to criticise it and it's members (although I don't know how you can know who the members are when you don't even know the name of the group!). There is no supporters group which has 'a certain communication with the club' (other than the Clarets Trust, which may do so as they are a shareholder). For information, there are a number of different independent supporters groups and these come together in the Burnley FC Supporters Groups, which meets on a monthly basis. This group has no arrangement to meet with the club (which we would dearly love to have!). However, we do communicate through the Supporters Liaison Officer, to either try to resolve issues which supporters have raised with us or issues which we as a group feel that we need to bring to the attention of the club. Last year the club facilitated the setting up a Supporters Board, with members chosen by the club from applications. I don't know the current position with that group, as no information on their work has been made public.

The irony here Leisure, being that the supporters Group have been in dear need of extra help and support for a lengthy period now, but no one ever comes forward, to my knowledge.
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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Goddy » Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:55 pm

Are they taking tea/coffee away from the food/bev kiosks. :) Not on the list of options in the survey . The only thing I ever buy when I'm at the ground but maybe no more - ha ha

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by bfcmik » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:20 pm

Goddy wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:55 pm
Are they taking tea/coffee away from the food/bev kiosks. :) Not on the list of options in the survey . The only thing I ever buy when I'm at the ground but maybe no more - ha ha
I reckon we will end up with a Starbucks in each stand :shock: :(

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:20 pm

Eyres_11 wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:38 pm
The supporters board is the one I am talking about, the very face that no information has been made public is exactly my point, not exactly a voice for the supporters is it?
So you must know who's on that group, seeing as you state 'is the same old faces it has been for years'? Did you make an application to sit on it?

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by SalisburyClaret » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:51 pm

They need to concentrate on the 4 T’s first before they start messing about with Wi-fi and Starbucks-
Team
Terraces
Tea
Toilets

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Mala591 » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:52 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:51 pm
They need to concentrate on the 4 T’s first before they start messing about with Wi-fi and Starbucks-
Team
Terraces
Tea
Toilets
Team
Team
Team
Team

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by SalisburyClaret » Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:57 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:52 pm
Team
Team
Team
Team
Nah - you definitely need toilets!

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by aggi » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:05 pm

brexit wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:14 pm
As we are no longer EU citizens
GDPR is a grey area now as it theoretically only applies to EU citizens.
The data would have been subject to the EU-US privacy shield again it is unknown if that still applies.
To an extent, the majority of it will be carried straight over into UK law and certainly stuff that is being collected at the moment will have to abide by the rules (who knows in the future though).

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:45 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:47 pm
I dont think this would work because if you had thousands of people trying to connect to the same wifi it would just overload it and you would have the exact same issues you see now trying to use your mobile data.
They manage it at Sparta here, but they partnered with a telecoms firm and there is a consipicuous router type device placed behind ever advertising board to achieve the necessary connection quality.

You have to log in each time which forces you to see various promo messages

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by ecc » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:48 pm

This wording must be "American" because it's right at the beginning before I've even thought about filling it in (and not "out").

"Hello and thank you very much for taking the time to complete our Burnley FC fan survey."

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Carport » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:14 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:05 pm
To an extent, the majority of it will be carried straight over into UK law and certainly stuff that is being collected at the moment will have to abide by the rules (who knows in the future though).

Can confirm as a data protection practitioner that this was enshrined in UK law via Part 2 of the Data Protection Act 2108

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:18 pm

ŽižkovClaret wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:45 pm
They manage it at Sparta here, but they partnered with a telecoms firm and there is a consipicuous router type device placed behind ever advertising board to achieve the necessary connection quality.

You have to log in each time which forces you to see various promo messages
Interesting, so delivering a good workable wifi is possible but its a bit more cost and effort than just making a wifi connection available to the crowd.

I always found being on the game was great for being offline and ignoring the outside world but I dont really go on anymore. To be fair to those who'd like good wifi with how dull some of our football is at the moment if I was on the match I could easily make use of it and watch a film or something.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by clarethomer » Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:04 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:57 pm
Nah - you definitely need toilets!
It's only 90 mins, just watch the game.. :mrgreen:

WiFi would be welcome at halftime to use if you don't want to watch cheerleaders, or go and fight on the concourse to get anywhere.

I think there are a lot of common themes that will come through and as DCWat has said - it would be welcome to see a follow up that explains what results came from the survey and what their plan is with regards to reviewing and acting on this.

Fundamentally - the important part of any matchday is to be entertained for 90 mins and hopefully see your team to win.

The underdog statement is trying to create a narrative that I admire but I think it's misplaced in its application and timing. All we want is investment in the squad and to see our team improved. They have come in on years of underinvestment and whether they change the food/drink/fanzone etc is largely irrelevant if they aren't investing on the pitch.

That to me needs to come first and then use that for goodwill to make the other changes they want to make - which will help justify their need to increase revenues etc.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:21 pm

Great idea. As for comments a great time for a reevaluation of the points system.

I believe this has been picked up with the chairman directly.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:35 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:21 pm

As for comments a great time for a reevaluation of the points system.
Why is it needed?

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by clarethomer » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:43 pm

Leisure wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:35 pm
Why is it needed?
You little tinker... You have been around on this forum long enough to know the score on the different views on this.

Clearly, it's not fair for someone who has spent money on season tickets funding the club for years and rarely goes to away games to get priority over someone that doesn't fund the club through paying for home games but funds other clubs by going to lots of away games.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:25 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:43 pm
You little tinker... You have been around on this forum long enough to know the score on the different views on this.
;) Was just interested to find out why he thought that! ;)

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Belial » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:56 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:57 pm
Nah - you definitely need toilets!
Nah! We made do with the Longside troughs for long enough!

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:04 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:21 pm
Great idea. As for comments a great time for a reevaluation of the points system.

I believe this has been picked up with the chairman directly.

About time too, it is high time the cherry pickers were rewarded for their 2 - 3 times away game attendance a season. Glad to see they might get priority over those who go away week in week out and don't look at the opposition before deciding when to travel.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:58 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:04 am
About time too, it is high time the cherry pickers were rewarded for their 2 - 3 times away game attendance a season. Glad to see they might get priority over those who go away week in week out and don't look at the opposition before deciding when to travel.
Sorry but don't follow you? Please explain, cheers.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:01 am

Leisure wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:58 am
Sorry but don't follow you? Please explain, cheers.
Slightly tongue in cheek Pete, the only time restructure the loyalty points is mentioned is on one of the odd occasions when supply can't meet demand.

System works fine for everyone for virtually every game every season, but when those who hardly go all want to go to the same away game we are told the system is unfair.
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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by aggi » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:20 am

Leisure wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:35 pm
Why is it needed?
It's obviously been covered plenty of times before but, if the system worked as designed, it would be pretty much impossible for most children to go to popular away games due to just not having lived long enough to gain sufficient points. Obviously due to such foibles you end up with loads of tickets being bought using other people's clarets numbers which suggests that the system doesn't work (or else that wouldn't be necessary).

I don't think many clubs have a season ticket from 2009 being worth the same as one in 2019.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:21 am

aggi wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:20 am
It's obviously been covered plenty of times before but, if the system worked as designed, it would be pretty much impossible for most children to go to popular away games due to just not having lived long enough to gain sufficient points. Obviously due to such foibles you end up with loads of tickets being bought using other people's clarets numbers which suggests that the system doesn't work (or else that wouldn't be necessary).

I don't think many clubs have a season ticket from 2009 being worth the same as one in 2019.

This would be true if we sold out all popular away games, but we don't
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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:43 am

aggi wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:20 am
It's obviously been covered plenty of times before but, if the system worked as designed, it would be pretty much impossible for most children to go to popular away games due to just not having lived long enough to gain sufficient points. Obviously due to such foibles you end up with loads of tickets being bought using other people's clarets numbers which suggests that the system doesn't work (or else that wouldn't be necessary).

I don't think many clubs have a season ticket from 2009 being worth the same as one in 2019.
No system is perfect, in that for the some games (very few for us in fact) not all people who would like a ticket will get one but there isn't any system which will guarantee tickets for everyone who wants one. However, the club taking bigger allocations would certainly go a long way to achieving this. If you look across the whole of the PL clubs there are a wide variety of systems used, suggesting that there isn't a perfect system that we could change to. I'm not suggesting that our system is perfect and couldn't be tweeked but I'm not keen on changing it for the sake of change. Any changes will benefit some fans but penalise other fans. However, I'd suggest that some fine tuning can help improve the system.
Also, why shouldn't a fan who has bought season tickets long term be rewarded more than a more recent fan?

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by aggi » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:47 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:21 am
This would be true if we sold out all popular away games, but we don't
I'd say by definition the popular away games are the ones which sell out.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:48 am

aggi wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:47 am
I'd say by definition the popular away games are the ones which sell out.
How many away games have we sold out the last 2 years ?

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:52 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:48 am
How many away games have we sold out the last 2 years ?
Off-hand there was Spurs (new ground). Everton, Liverpool and Newcastle, all when the club decided in their wisdom not to take the full allocation. I'll have a think about any others.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by aggi » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:02 am

Leisure wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:43 am
No system is perfect, in that for the some games (very few for us in fact) not all people who would like a ticket will get one but there isn't any system which will guarantee tickets for everyone who wants one. However, the club taking bigger allocations would certainly go a long way to achieving this. If you look across the whole of the PL clubs there are a wide variety of systems used, suggesting that there isn't a perfect system that we could change to. I'm not suggesting that our system is perfect and couldn't be tweeked but I'm not keen on changing it for the sake of change. Any changes will benefit some fans but penalise other fans. However, I'd suggest that some fine tuning can help improve the system.
Also, why shouldn't a fan who has bought season tickets long term be rewarded more than a more recent fan?
Obviously different people will have different views on what the correct system is. Unsurprisingly those at the top of tree may not want it to be shaken.

I was providing an illustration why some may think the system doesn't work, obviously this may not be a compelling argument for those that are at the top of the current system.

Also, why shouldn't a fan who has bought season tickets long term be rewarded more than a more recent fan?

One issue I've already referred to in terms of children. Another commercial issue is that it doesn't incentivise maintaining a season ticket. Someone could stop going for ten years (maybe we get relegated) and then, when they get a season ticket in ten years time be in a better position for loyalty points than someone who has been going every season for the past ten years.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:17 am

Leisure wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:42 pm
What same old faces? Ask who the difficult questions? What's the 'old regime'? How is he spot on? He doesn't even know which group he is talking about!
Yes, I do.

It's the one where fans applied and then surprise surprise as to which ones were picked.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:18 am

Leisure wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:20 pm
So you must know who's on that group, seeing as you state 'is the same old faces it has been for years'? Did you make an application to sit on it?
I do, and I did.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Eyres_11 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:20 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:21 pm
Great idea. As for comments a great time for a reevaluation of the points system.

I believe this has been picked up with the chairman directly.
Not needed. I have spent time and money building them points. If its on a rolling thing then fair enough but anything else would be in fact punishing loyalty.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:21 am

Eyres_11 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:17 am
Yes, I do.

It's the one where fans applied and then surprise surprise as to which ones were picked.

Who are the ones picked ? I have never seen an announcement who was selected
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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:21 am

aggi wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:02 am
Obviously different people will have different views on what the correct system is. Unsurprisingly those at the top of tree may not want it to be shaken.

I was providing an illustration why some may think the system doesn't work, obviously this may not be a compelling argument for those that are at the top of the current system.

Also, why shouldn't a fan who has bought season tickets long term be rewarded more than a more recent fan?

One issue I've already referred to in terms of children. Another commercial issue is that it doesn't incentivise maintaining a season ticket. Someone could stop going for ten years (maybe we get relegated) and then, when they get a season ticket in ten years time be in a better position for loyalty points than someone who has been going every season for the past ten years.
I'm quite sure that some fans may think that the system doesn't work if they can't get tickets but to change it just so that they do get tickets may unfairly penalise other fans. To a certain extent I agree with your point about children and long term lapsed ST holders but while they are lapsed their points wouldn't count, as the points only count for purchasing a ticket whilst you're a ST holder. I certainly have some sympathy regarding parents with enough points who have children who don't and a system such as Watford used, whereby they ring fence a % of tickets for those with enough points but where their children haven't got sufficient, may help towards this without unduly adversely affecting fans with full points. Whatever changes are made (other than some possible tweeks), some will be happy and others not, which is not necessarily a justifiable reason to change the system.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by Leisure » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:23 am

Eyres_11 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:18 am
I do, and I did.
So are you on the group?

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by aggi » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:24 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:48 am
How many away games have we sold out the last 2 years ?
Not a huge number. But the system is there for the ones that do sell out. Equally, if there aren't many selling out then people shouldn't be too worried about changes to the system, it works both ways.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:26 am

aggi wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:24 am
Not a huge number. But the system is there for the ones that do sell out. Equally, if there aren't many selling out then people shouldn't be too worried about changes to the system, it works both ways.

What new system can you think of that makes sure anyone who wants a ticket gets on for any game

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by aggi » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:29 am

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I'm quite sure that some fans may think that the system doesn't work if they can't get tickets but to change it just so that they do get tickets may unfairly penalise other fans. To a certain extent I agree with your point about children and long term lapsed ST holders but while they are lapsed their points wouldn't count, as the points only count for purchasing a ticket whilst you're a ST holder. I certainly have some sympathy regarding parents with enough points who have children who don't and a system such as Watford used, whereby they ring fence a % of tickets for those with enough points but where their children haven't got sufficient, may help towards this without unduly adversely affecting fans with full points. Whatever changes are made (other than some possible tweeks), some will be happy and others not, which is not necessarily a justifiable reason to change the system.
It isn't just not getting tickets. It's currently impossible for a child that's started going on to catch up to their parent if they go to the same games which, as you say, makes it difficult for parents to buy tickets.

Realistically a rolling weighted 5 year period or something isn't going to really impact on those with the most loyalty points but it will give others a chance to catch up.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by aggi » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:31 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:26 am
What new system can you think of that makes sure anyone who wants a ticket gets on for any game
Relegation. That would probably do it.

Obviously there isn't a system that does that and that very obviously isn't what I'm talking about.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by vinrogue » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:33 am

Now is the time to change the system for allocation of away fixtures by points. Now, because it will not need to be used, but will ensure fairness for say an FA Cup run next season and Wembley appearance. Use the Englandfans model for loyalty points say over a 4/5 year period, every season ticket gains points, every away fixture attended gains points, you can then publish how many fans are in each group. If you didn't have a season ticket but went to say 10 away games you could build up enough points to have a greater priority for an away ticket than someone with a season ticket who never goes to any away games but wants Aberdeen away in Europe. Or of course stick to the current system and I am personally ok as I have a guarantee due to my season ticket but my grandson can't ever catch up with my loyalty points.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:33 am

aggi wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:31 am
Relegation. That would probably do it.

Obviously there isn't a system that does that and that very obviously isn't what I'm talking about.
You could argue relegation would remove a high % of those without the points required.

There is no system that will ever please everyone, but the one the works for virtually every game of the season can't be that far off the correct approach.

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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by dsr » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:05 pm

vinrogue wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:33 am
Now is the time to change the system for allocation of away fixtures by points. Now, because it will not need to be used, but will ensure fairness for say an FA Cup run next season and Wembley appearance. Use the Englandfans model for loyalty points say over a 4/5 year period, every season ticket gains points, every away fixture attended gains points, you can then publish how many fans are in each group. If you didn't have a season ticket but went to say 10 away games you could build up enough points to have a greater priority for an away ticket than someone with a season ticket who never goes to any away games but wants Aberdeen away in Europe. Or of course stick to the current system and I am personally ok as I have a guarantee due to my season ticket but my grandson can't ever catch up with my loyalty points.
But from the club's point of view, people who buy a season ticket contribute more financially than those who go to away games and not home games. That's not a criticism, it's simple fact. The club is bound to some extent to favour the people who pay more money ahead of the people who give the most vocal support.
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Re: Clarets Fan Survey

Post by aggi » Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:42 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:33 am
You could argue relegation would remove a high % of those without the points required.

There is no system that will ever please everyone, but the one the works for virtually every game of the season can't be that far off the correct approach.
No loyalty system would work for virtually every game of the season but I don't think many are suggesting that's not far off the correct approach.

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