Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Vegas Claret]

Haven't seen it posted on here, but Collins linked to Wolves in daily mail

there interest was first reported 2 or 3 weeks ago, they are skint

[Quickenthetempo]

Arguably the widest as you need to create space for the 10s.

The complete opposite. The two advanced midfielders come narrow to allow the full backs to over lap in wide positions. One of the CMs then drops into defence to create a back 3.

There’s been a few article posted on the tactics it’s worth a read

Apparently Anderlecht and Turf Moor both have 105m x 68 pitch sizes.

[Juan Tanamera]

Has VK openly stated we will be playing a 4222 formation?

[Silkyskills1]

Perhaps he's been advised by our experts.

[KRBFC]

Interesting. I reckon personal terms would be relatively straight forward though if we’ve been chasing him with so many bids. I’d be very happy with this signing.

O'Hare is a really exciting signing, shone at this level, one of the better attacking midfielders in this division, no what ifs and maybes with this signing, he should slot straight in. O'hare, Muric and a striker and we're set for automatic promotion (given the striker is someone we can hang our hat on for 20+)

[KRBFC]

Last year of his contract, suggestions are Bayern are happy to cash in and around €8m has been rumoured.

Did you get that fee from what I said? Surprised you're trusting me so much!

[KRBFC]

Same as Anderlecht. 4222 formation.

He started with a 3 at the back at Anderlecht, has signed 3 central defenders here. THB played in a 3 at Stoke and at Anderlecht, when Kompany changed to a 4, Harwood Bellis did not play. Mcnally also played in a 3 at Oxford, I wouldn't be so certain on this 4222.

[AwayClaret]

Nobody has a clue really but my guess is VK will have 2/3 formations being worked on for starting, in game and of course dependant on who the opposition is. We need to be flexible and have been lacking this for a while.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He started with a 3 at the back at Anderlecht, has signed 3 central defenders here. THB played in a 3 at Stoke and at Anderlecht, when Kompany changed to a 4, Harwood Bellis did not play. Mcnally also played in a 3 at Oxford, I wouldn't be so certain on this 4222.

THB only played in a back three 3 times at Anderlecht? The rest of his 13 appearances came in a back 4?

[Bigvince]

Perhaps he's been advised by our experts.

Surely he hasn’t had time to talk to all of them!

[2 Bee Holed]

Surely he hasn’t had time to talk to all of them!

Dyche hadn't had enough time to talk to all of them.

[FeedTheArf]

Report in Burnley Express saying Vydra yet to agree to a new contract. He’s open to staying but not on the terms currently offered.

I’m sure I read on here that he will continue to get paid as he was injured whilst ‘on duty’, so there’s no pressure from his end to agree to anything yet, he might as well hang about and see what else materialises.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

How does that work, his contract has expired..

I'd release him. If he's not signing the deal offered, he's also coming back from a bad injury, might not be the same player.

[Newcastleclaret93]

How does that work, his contract has expired..

I'd release him. If he's not signing the deal offered, he's also coming back from a bad injury, might not be the same player.

Something to do with a player welfare clause.
Don’t know the ins and out but effectively the club is obliged to look after him whilst he goes through treatment and recovers

[Bigvince]

Also I think CT said his wages would be covered by the insurance.

[RVclaret]

Alan Nixon appears to be implying the rumours of O’Hare bid accepted is true.

[jedi_master]

O’Hare has a bit of ‘Grealish’ about him from what I’m seeing. Fans favourite, arrogant, cocky, similar position, but of an idol for younger fans at the club with his style and how he looks etc.

We don’t really have someone like that. I could see him being a big favourite as Burnley fans have always idolised those with a bit of flair who are willing to try something a bit different.

Hope it’s true, would be exciting - and would be a tick in the box for those of us (including me) who wanted to see a bit of experience in this league arriving next.

[Murger]

If O'Hare is coming, I'd assume either McNeil or Cornet will be off.

[RVclaret]

Alan Nixon appears to be implying the rumours of O’Hare bid accepted is true.

Said he’s waiting on it being confirmed but its a live situation.

Also the other team who were looking at him have moved on.

[Grimsdale]

Daily Mail reporting that Forest have had a bid turned down for Cornet. So either they didn't meet the release clause or Max didn't fancy it.

I must admit I'm feeling a lot more optimistic about Max staying than I was at the start of the window. Initially there were reports that up to 10 Premier League teams had enquired about him but in hindsight I'm wondering if that might have been fuelled by the media stories at the time about how we had to pay back a significant amount of our loan and teams were seeing if he was available on the cheap as part of a fire sale. Since then, this has has been the first actual bid that has been reported but apart from Chelsea's apparent "last resort" plan to sign him, there hasn't been anything other than speculation that he would be a good signing for whoever.

If the release clause is 17.5 million, that is still a reasonably significant amount to fork out, even for the PL (it's higher than we've ever played for a player for instance). I can't see any of the top teams signing him - he's not good enough for the starting 11 and for that price expensive for a backup, especially considering he's soon going to be 26 so unlikely to develop much further. Then you have the next level down but the likes of West Ham, Villa, Newcastle, Leicester, Wolves etc. either already have players that are as good as, if not better, than Max in that position or seem to be taking a much more cautious approach to the transfer window for whatever reason and seem reluctant to spend that kind of money. So I'm finding it hard to see which PL team might actually come in for him at this point (although there's always the chance that an overseas team might come into the frame).

Obviously still plenty of time left in the window but unless Pace is hoping to sell Max to fund other transfers/pay off the loans then I wouldn't be so certain he'll be off this summer.

[Socrates]

Burnley fans have always idolised those with a bit of flair who are willing to try something a bit different.

What?

Burnley fans love a runner. That’s what they love.

A runner.

[summitclaret]

Loving the get them in early policy for several reasons, including getting a decent pre season for gelling the team. Also, it enables us to get a bigger fee for any outgoings if don't necessarily need to sell.

[NewClaret]

Forest have signed two players for £17m + another up to £14m & Henderson on loan. They are making some moves, will be interesting to see how that works out.

If they’ve bothered offering below the release clause it makes me wonder if there even is one? I can’t see why they’d do that, knowing we’d never accept.

[jedi_master]

What?

Burnley fans love a runner. That’s what they love.

A runner.

This is spouted on here loads, but (with me, anyway) I find it mostly myth!

Robbie Blake and Glen Little are arguably the two most popular players of the last 25 years, or up there. Whilst players like Paterson, O’Connor, Moore and other limited quality ‘terriers’ were not idolised, and in some cases mostly moaned about. I think it’s a bit of a sweeping generalisation myself.

Although, you may have been being sarcastic, I couldn’t tell

[NewClaret]

If O'Hare is coming, I'd assume either McNeil or Cornet will be off.

Can’t really say I see where O hare fits in unless it’s to replace one of those guys and my worry is that we’d be losing PL pedigree for someone who has a season in L1/Championship under their belt.

Bar a few positions - keeper, RW, striker - I’d rather we keep our own now than keep adding but lose McNeil, Cornet, Brownhill, etc.

[BOYSIE31]

Can’t really say I see where O hare fits in unless it’s to replace one of those guys and my worry is that we’d be losing PL pedigree for someone who has a season in L1/Championship under their belt.

Bar a few positions - keeper, RW, striker - I’d rather we keep our own now than keep adding but lose McNeil, Cornet, Brownhill, etc.

We need a squad as its a gruelling season

[jedi_master]

Can’t really say I see where O hare fits in unless it’s to replace one of those guys and my worry is that we’d be losing PL pedigree for someone who has a season in L1/Championship under their belt.

Bar a few positions - keeper, RW, striker - I’d rather we keep our own now than keep adding but lose McNeil, Cornet, Brownhill, etc.

I think you could make a case for getting them all in the team without any sales. If O’Hare does sign, then we’re probably looking at:

————————————--New
———————-Collins———Harwood-Bellis
—Roberts———-Cork————-Brownhill————-Taylor
——————-McNeil——O’Hare——-Cornet
—————————————Twine

Subs: BPF, Lowton, McNally, Egan-Riley, Dodgson, Bastien, Gudmundsson, Rodriguez, Barnes

They could all fit, with the current personnel - so I wouldn’t necessarily see one having to leave to accommodate. We have lost so many players and need these options just to get our squad back to capacity really. The likes of Twine, Cornet, O’Hare and McNeil would all be able to swap positions in such a fluid forward line so it could be that Cornet goes through the middle.

I personally do expect Cornet to be sold though, just that I don’t see this potential transfer guaranteeing it/being due to it.

[SurreyClaret]

Forest have signed two players for £17m + another up to £14m & Henderson on loan. They are making some moves, will be interesting to see how that works out.

If they’ve bothered offering below the release clause it makes me wonder if there even is one? I can’t see why they’d do that, knowing we’d never accept.

That’s probably more of an indication of a lack of interest in Cornet than anything, and a team testing the water. We could choose to accept any offer, regardless of the release clause. If he’s not happy or if he doesn’t fit in VK’s plans then why wouldn’t we just take the best offer available? Maybe VK thinks the money would be better invested in other areas such as a striker.

Whilst I like Cornet and think he’d do well in the Championship, he seemed a bit injury prone to me, so I can’t see him making it through a 46 game season in a more physical league without missing a chunk of games. Nobody seems to know his best position either, so that, and his injury risk would give every team pause for thought. Surely if 10 teams were really chasing him, he’d have been long gone by now - feels like his agent was trying to get him a move by releasing that rumour to me.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

If the release clause is 17.5 million, that is still a reasonably significant amount to fork out, even for the PL (it's higher than we've ever played for a player for instance). I can't see any of the top teams signing him - he's not good enough for the starting 11 and for that price expensive for a backup, especially considering he's soon going to be 26 so unlikely to develop much further.

They've already signed Taiwo Awoniyi from Union Berlin for 17.5m, I'd be amazing if they paid that out again for Cornet.

Not many promoted clubs bold enough to spend that kind of cash on two players.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

What?

Burnley fans love a runner. That’s what they love.

A runner.

Tell that to George Boyd and Jeff Hendrick..

Not sure they'd agree.

[claretonthecoast1882]

They've already signed Taiwo Awoniyi from Union Berlin for 17.5m, I'd be amazing if they paid that out again for Cornet.

Not many promoted clubs bold enough to spend that kind of cash on two players.

Haven't they agreed to pay similar amounts for Neco Williams and a centre half from Germany ?

[warksclaret]

Where does this pedigree Premier League label afforded to Westwood/Brownhill /Cork come from.None of them would have held a midfield slot in the Norwich or Watford teams last season. The thought of Bastien and O 'Hare excite me.The former three, will as SD used to say, "add padding" to the squad

[NewClaret]

We need a squad as its a gruelling season

True enough & I hope that’s the perspective we’re taking + bedding in new players before allowing others to leave later down the line.

I sense we’re on the cusp of building a team that can challenge for an immediate return, I just hope it doesn’t involve a last minute sale of all our other PL quality players.

[welsbyswife]

Don't you think you might want to wait and see if the new signings are actually any good before rating them to be far better than players who have served us really well over a number of years. Staggering lack of respect on here for the players we've had over the last few seasons.

[warksclaret]

Some of the stories of linking other clubs in the PL to players like Cornet, Collins, Brownhill, McNeil and Roberts
will be largely untrue and lazy reporting-a case of someone else mentioned it, so we will run a story too. Collins is a star in the making, but £25m for someone not regularly starting, is in todays market a significant fee. The other four simply did not do enough last season, in a poorly performing team, to command a serious fee.

[boyyanno]

Where does this pedigree Premier League label afforded to Westwood/Brownhill /Cork come from.None of them would have held a midfield slot in the Norwich or Watford teams last season. The thought of Bastien and O 'Hare excite me.The former three, will as SD used to say, "add padding" to the squad

"Where does this pedigree premier league level afforded to Westwood/Brownhill/Cork come from"

Jack Cork has got around 300 premier league games under his belt, spelt 12 years in the top league and recieved an England cap.

[boatshed bill]

These are not transfer rumours, just differing opinions.

[BigChaCha]

Whilst I like Cornet and think he’d do well in the Championship, he seemed a bit injury prone to me

Do you know his injury record prior to joining us?...

It's very typical, especially in the first season for players to struggle with the number of games and pace of the Premier League when coming from overseas... It happens so often that we have seen new foreign-bought players keep getting niggles in their first season of the Premier League...

SD's coaching team's training methods for graft and endurance over skill and pace may not have helped either and if you look at similar types of players with a bit of pace or who have been played on the wing, we've quite often broken them in recent times so I'm not sure the club was conducive with these types of players in recent times... This is what usually happens when you train a racehorse to act like a carthorse anyway.

[ClaretMov]

How does that work, his contract has expired..

I'd release him. If he's not signing the deal offered, he's also coming back from a bad injury, might not be the same player.

We'd be lucky to see 10 game's from him this season, he's not going to be back fully until at least February

[Commy]

We can't hang around waiting for Vydra to decide.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Where does this pedigree Premier League label afforded to Westwood/Brownhill /Cork come from.None of them would have held a midfield slot in the Norwich or Watford teams last season. The thought of Bastien and O 'Hare excite me.The former three, will as SD used to say, "add padding" to the squad

Westwood - 9 out of the last 10 seasons in the PL, making 280 ish appearances
Cork - spent the last 11 seasons in the PL making a similar number of appearances to Westwood.

I'd love to see your argument against their PL quality based on something other than our relegation season....

Brownhill did alright in the PL, some good stats and would be fine if he went to another PL club.

[warksclaret]

"Where does this pedigree premier league level afforded to Westwood/Brownhill/Cork come from"

Jack Cork has got around 300 premier league games under his belt, spelt 12 years in the top league and recieved an England cap.

I am not saying that Westwood and Cork have not been great players in the past and served BFC very well. In the case of Cork he was playing for us (very well) under Brian Laws.Thats going back a very long time. He cannot keep going. No one has invented a cure to stop the ageing process.We extended both Cork and Westwood's contracts a few years ago, which was recognition of their performances. Arguably other PL clubs would have let them go. Nostalgia will not get you out of the Championship. It needs an element of young, hungry and athletic legs and thankfully VK is well aware of this.A little more of this thinking and we might still be in the PL. If Cork was that valuable and when deliberating on his recent contract renewal , why did no other club want to ride off his huge experiences, after all he was free. I think in the case of Barnes & Cork both have remained with us as to quote Chris Wood,they can remain in their comfort zone

[Suntan]

I think you could make a case for getting them all in the team without any sales. If O’Hare does sign, then we’re probably looking at:

————————————--New
———————-Collins———Harwood-Bellis
—Roberts———-Cork————-Brownhill————-Taylor
——————-McNeil——O’Hare——-Cornet
—————————————Twine

Subs: BPF, Lowton, McNally, Egan-Riley, Dodgson, Bastien, Gudmundsson, Rodriguez, Barnes

They could all fit, with the current personnel - so I wouldn’t necessarily see one having to leave to accommodate. We have lost so many players and need these options just to get our squad back to capacity really. The likes of Twine, Cornet, O’Hare and McNeil would all be able to swap positions in such a fluid forward line so it could be that Cornet goes through the middle.

I personally do expect Cornet to be sold though, just that I don’t see this potential transfer guaranteeing it/being due to it.

As things stand I reckon this is our starting line-up for Coventry.

Perhaps if Cornet stays he'll be our main striker this season - 9 goals in the premier league should 20+ easily in the championship.

With all the creativity behind him he could even score 30+.

[RVclaret]

O’Hare looks to be training with Cov this morning so reports of a bid accepted appear false

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I am not saying that Westwood and Cork have not been great players in the past and served BFC very well. In the case of Cork he was playing for us (very well) under Brian Laws.Thats going back a very long time. He cannot keep going. No one has invented a cure to stop the ageing process.We extended both Cork and Westwood's contracts a few years ago, which was recognition of their performances. Arguably other PL clubs would have let them go. Nostalgia will not get you out of the Championship. It needs an element of young, hungry and athletic legs and thankfully VK is well aware of this.A little more of this thinking and we might still be in the PL. If Cork was that valuable and when deliberating on his recent contract renewal , why did no other club want to ride off his huge experiences, after all he was free. I think in the case of Barnes & Cork both have remained with us as to quote Chris Wood,they can remain in their comfort zone

VK is well aware we need a mixture of youth and experience to move forwards.
He's probably also well aware that losing so many players at once can cause massive disruption and can lead to a club struggling, hence retaining certain players.

I'm not sure what axe it is you're trying to grind, but you're starting to look a bit odd.

When Dyche took us up last time it was a mixture of experience and younger players, same first time too.

Did you happen to miss that?

[eastcoastclaret]

O’Hare looks to be training with Cov this morning so reports of a bid accepted appear false

It was a wind up from a Coventry fan

[RVclaret]

It was a wind up from a Coventry fan

A poster on here last night said he’d had it on good authority there was a bid accepted.

[Burnley Ace]

O’Hare looks to be training with Cov this morning so reports of a bid accepted appear false

It’s good to see that Coventry start their training early, you posted that at 9.20am.

[Nori1958]

It’s good to see that Coventry start their training early, you posted that at 9.20am.

Not that early in Spain though

[Colburn_Claret]

I think people forget we have about 8 games before the window closes. On that basis we aren't in any hurry to sell to the first bidder, we can hang on and see if we get better offers elsewhere.
It also gives those players an idea of which way our club is going. IF we can get off to a good start, show the potential of a real promotion push, then maybe these players can be convinced to help us get back to the Prem, rather than leave us to sit on the bench somewhere else.

There are still a lot of vagaries in any situation. I hope all of Collins, Brownhill, McNeil and Cornet stay. I think it would be better for them, long term, as it would be for us. Who knows, but fingers crossed.