Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Vegas Claret]

Good business for who? MSD? Garlick?

It's only good business if we reinvest some of the cash in quality, if this money enables us to get a proper striker, O'Hare and a goalkeeper, fair enough.

that's the model mate, lets hope that's what they do. No way Kompany comes here if he's been told there is no money to spend

[dsr]

It's also worth mentioning that with transfer fees being officially 'undisclosed', there's bound to be stuff we don't here about and the reported fees are, in many cases, speculation and guess work.

The annual accounts are quite good for retrospectively checking the transfer fees, because they give totals for the spending and receipts. They don't tend to be a million miles out.

[Steddyman]

When there are rumours they are discussed. When there aren’t rumours other things are discussed. What’s the problem?

The problems is there is an entire message board of threads that can be discussed in.

I don't want to scroll through 5+ pages a day to find we aren't linked with anyone new.

[DCWat]

I suspect we are waiting for nothing more than media getting the interviews and pics done

Or, being cynical, waiting to announce it just after the Collins sale is confirmed.

[RVclaret]

Wolves reporter suggesting the Collins deal is done and dusted, just waiting announcements now.

Could be the case we announce Cullen just after it…

[PremierLeagueClass]

Or, being cynical, waiting to announce it just after the Collins sale is confirmed.

That’s what I would do if it was me calling the shots.

[Rileybobs]

The problems is there is an entire message board of threads that can be discussed in.

I don't want to scroll through 5+ pages a day to find we aren't linked with anyone new.

With all due respect this probably isn’t the place for you to check our transfer links then. Surely a media outlet would be better than a messageboard, where by default there is some content that interests you and some that doesn’t.

Either way, it would take 30 seconds to skim through a page of this thread to look out for any links.

Just as it’s unrealistic to expect absolutely no financial discussions on a thread about transfer rumours, it’s also unrealistic to expect absolutely no general conversation around the subject of transfers.

[claretspice]

One point on the Collins fee.

Depending on exactly what the sell on fee with Stoke bites on, and how it is structured, we may well have a vested interest in the initial up front headline fee being lower, and the contingent payments being higher. And we don't know if we've got a generous sell-on out of Wolves (possible these days even in the case of a £20m payment).

[boyyanno]

With all due respect this probably isn’t the place for you to check our transfer links then. Surely a media outlet would be better than a messageboard, where by default there is some content that interests you and some that doesn’t.

Either way, it would take 30 seconds to skim through a page of this thread to look out for any links.

Just as it’s unrealistic to expect absolutely no financial discussions on a thread about transfer rumours, it’s also unrealistic to expect absolutely no general conversation around the subject of transfers.

Agreed, this is a fans message board. For anyone who just want's links why don't you try something like News Now- Link below. That site literally has all the articles on Burnley and any links however tenuous they may be.

https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Footb ... ip/Burnley

[fidelcastro]

Hardly guesswork - usually very, very accurate.

If you say so.

[ClaretTony]

If you say so.

I do - the figures often come from very reliable sources

[claretandy]

Nixon says that we turned down the 20.5m bid yesterday, so it has to be more than that.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Maybe Stoke will do a Luton and we will find out the fee from them.

[Rileybobs]

Nixon says that we turned down the 20.5m bid yesterday, so it has to be more than that.

Not necessarily. The structure of the deal may just have changed.

[lrac]

Some sites saying he is having his medical. No idea who to believe

[fidelcastro]

I do - the figures often come from very reliable sources

Strange how we don't hear about sell on fees and clauses in contracts until the player has gone or going. If we don't find out about that, then how can we trust the actual fee we paid in the first place?

Personally, I'd make the disclosure of transfer fees compulsory.

[ClaretTony]

Nixon says that we turned down the 20.5m bid yesterday, so it has to be more than that.

Or we are getting more of it up front which will be important to us

[RVclaret]

Some sites saying he is having his medical. No idea who to believe

As I just posted, Wolves main reporter said the deal is done and dusted and just waiting on announcements

[Big Vinny K]

Not a rumour but on the assumption Collins is going I think a great move would be to bring in Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal. He’s a free agent and even paying him £50k a week would only cost us £2.5m. His experience on and off the pitch would be great for the new young defenders and his previous time at the club is an added bonus.

If we can keep Dwight the big gap remains signing a striker. Finding a 20 plus goal scorer was always going to be the hardest task - especially with the budget constraints we now seem to be working within. Hopefully VK is trying to mitigate some of this by targeting more goals from our midfield with the likes of Twine and going for O’Hare. If one (or even 2) of our midfielders can get double figure goals this season then a striker who gets between 10 and 15 maybe enough for now.

Lots of twists and turns left in this transfer window I’m guessing and right now I’m pretty split down the middle of excitement at seeing new players / new style and then the obvious trepidation of losing so many of our best players and the implications financially of the club having a poor season next year. I’m pretty sure that’s how in truth the majority of our supporters are currently feeling too.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Sorry to make a boring financial point but there is also a tax angle too, which is going up to 25% soon so I’ll use that % as an example. If (say) we sell a player for £20m we would pay tax on that profit of £5m and only end up with £15m (obviously reinvesting some of it is then an option too but lets ignore that for now).

If (say) Stoke get £4m of that £20m, the tax would be £4m and the club ends up with £12m. So the difference is £3m not £4m. It isn’t as bad as it seems.

None of us know the ‘live’ accounts and this is a crude example not a factual debate (please no), but suffice to say there are more variables at play, and an active trading strategy cam help minimise cash paid out to HMRC which from the club’s perspective is wasted money.

[gandhisflipflop]

Need to focus now on our attacking options. A winger or two, a pacy striker and a goalkeeper (2 if Hennessy leaves)

[Tall Paul]

Sorry to make a boring financial point but there is also a tax angle too, which is going up to 25% soon so I’ll use that % as an example. If (say) we sell a player for £20m we would pay tax on that profit of £5m and only end up with £15m (obviously reinvesting some of it is then an option too but lets ignore that for now).

If (say) Stoke get £4m of that £20m, the tax would be £4m and the club ends up with £12m. So the difference is £3m not £4m. It isn’t as bad as it seems.

None of us know the ‘live’ accounts and this is a crude example not a factual debate (please no), but suffice to say there are more variables at play, and an active trading strategy cam help minimise cash paid out to HMRC which from the club’s perspective is wasted money.

I doubt we'll be paying any tax on profits any time soon. Almost certainly not this season anyway.

[kentonclaret]

Need to focus now on our attacking options. A winger or two, a pacy striker and a goalkeeper (2 if Hennessy leaves)

Just got to hope that they finally noticed we were among the bottom 3 lowest scoring teams in the PL for the past 2 seasons.

Very optimistic to think that we will be grinding out 1-0 wins with such an inexperienced back line so scoring goals will become even more of a priority this season.

[Hipper]

My mentioning of Tarks being free is not a red herring, it is to illustrate that any club in the league could have acquired him on a free transfer. Yet the best deal on the table was from a club that only just survived relegation. Tarkowski is a better player than Collins. So again, talks of Collins definitely being a top 6 player worth £60m+ in future is pure hyperbole. This place has gone mad with wild and unsubstantiated claims.

Firstly, I know which of the two players I would want to go straight into the first team.

There are also other factors: Everton may be short of money to spend; Tarkowski may have wanted to stay in the north west; he may have got a nice signing on fee.

[Stayingup]

So we're selling anybody who is saleable. That is who we can get a half decent fee for. The door hasn't closed yet, so we could end up raking in @£90 million and replaceing the outgoigs with £10 million incomings. It should pay off the debt I suppose, but doesn't bode well for this season.

[Colburn_Claret]

Strange how we don't hear about sell on fees and clauses in contracts until the player has gone or going. If we don't find out about that, then how can we trust the actual fee we paid in the first place?

Personally, I'd make the disclosure of transfer fees compulsory.

Nothing to do with Burnley at present, but all transfers should be transparent. I'd also like to see them cash only. It's swings and roundabouts, one deal you lose, the next deal you gain, but overall it would stop a lot of the outrageous transfers that go on. Which in turn would, I hope, reduce all transfers. Get teams to start living within their means, rather than living on the never, never.

[Vegas Claret]

We've replaced Collins with the more experienced England Under 21 captain this season, every chance we wont miss him whatsoever.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We've replaced Collins with the more experienced England Under 21 captain this season, every chance we wont miss him whatsoever.

No where near the same quality of player. Plus THB was brought in to replace the various other players that have left.

Collins was Tarks replacement

[ClaretInLeeds]

We've replaced Collins with the more experienced England Under 21 captain this season, every chance we wont miss him whatsoever.

Stop talking sense will you? You’re supposed to apoplectic with rage.

[RVclaret]

Club have confirmed Collins is gone.

Wonder if Cullen will be announced shortly.

[jojomk1]

We've replaced Collins with the more experienced England Under 21 captain this season, every chance we wont miss him whatsoever.

Who have we replaced Tarks and Mee with ?

[Vegas Claret]

No where near the same quality of player. Plus THB was brought in to replace the various other players that have left.

Collins was Tarks replacement

I think I'll trust the opinion of one the best central defenders in Premier League history over someone on here who quite frankly would complain if he won 500 million on the lottery that it wasn't 501.

[BurnleyFC]

Defence really worries me again now.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think I'll trust the opinion of one the best central defenders in Premier League history over someone on here who quite frankly would complain if he won 500 million on the lottery that it wasn't 501.

Please can you forward me the link where Kompany says that THB is Collins replacement? Or are you just talking shite

[RVclaret]

Please can you forward me the link where Kompany says that THB is Collins replacement? Or are you just talking shite

I think THB, McNally and Egan Riley are all replacements, so to speak, for the 3 that have departed.

[Burnley Ace]

People seem to forget that, if it wasn’t for injury, Collins wouldn’t have had more than a few games.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Feels important now to keep Roberts and Taylor and then play Egan Riley or McNally alongside HB in a back four. That could be solid at this level with good options raiding forward and Cullen dropping back to make a three.

I have a really good feeling about Egan Riley, probably better at right back but like his mentor Walker can play both. Not sure due to his age I would chop and change his position all the time.

Having written that, I’m content while not delighted with today’s news.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Please can you forward me the link where Kompany says that THB is Collins replacement? Or are you just talking shite

Doesn’t take a genius to work it out.

Wolves we’re first credited with interest in mid-June, first broken by Nixon. We then proceeded to recruit 3 centre backs.

Collins hasn’t taken part in any of our preseason, despite other international players like Roberts and Cornet being back.

The club obviously knew he was going and went ahead with the recruitment based on that.

The only reason it’s taken from mid-June to now is almost certainly because Collins was waiting to see if any other clubs were interested.

[boyyanno]

Our defense has been massively downgraded. We've lost two England Internationals and arguably the best defensive prospect we've had since Cahill on loan. We're back to needing a quality spine imo, Goalkeeper, Defender, Midfielder and Striker.

We need established quality and we have no excuse not to pay for it now. Over to you Alan Pace.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Doesn’t take a genius to work it out.

Wolves we’re first credited with interest in mid-June, first broken by Nixon. We then proceeded to recruit 3 centre backs.

Collins hasn’t taken part in any of our preseason, despite other international players like Roberts and Cornet being back.

The club obviously knew he was going and went ahead with the recruitment based on that.

The only reason it’s taken from mid-June to now is almost certainly because Collins was waiting to see if any other clubs were interested.

But THB was never brought in to replace Collins was he? He plays Left CB for a start. So in reality they have brought in one of McNally or Egan Riley as his replacement.

Vegas saying otherwise is just twisting the truth to fit an agenda.

[warksclaret]

Now for two new serious strikers to prevent these young defenders coming under the same pressure as last season

[Pearcey]

I think we could do with VK coming out of retirement at the moment! Seriously, I’d like to see an experienced centre half come in.

[Wokingclaret]

I think we could do with VK coming out of retirement at the moment! Seriously, I’d like to see an experienced centre half come in.

Don't worry we have Longy

[Newcastleclaret93]

Jason O’Connor is saying the final fee is confirmed at 20.65m

[randomclaret2]

I think we could do with VK coming out of retirement at the moment! Seriously, I’d like to see an experienced centre half come in.

He's younger than Gary Cahill..

[randomclaret2]

Jason O’Connor is saying the final fee is confirmed at 20.65m

Good to see we turned down £20m and only sold when Wolves came back with a significantly improved offer

[quoonbeatz]

Love this idea that players can only be a direct replacement for another. We knew we were losing 3 centre halves and we've signed 3. Get out of your FIFA mindsets lads.

[agreenwood]

Jason O’Connor is saying the final fee is confirmed at 20.65m

He also says Collins agent had a relegation release clause built into that contract, so presumably Wolves triggered it. Which would also suggest Collins didn’t intend to stick around if we were ever relegated.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He also says Collins agent had a relegation release clause built into that contract, so presumably Wolves triggered it. Which would also suggest Collins didn’t intend to stick around if we were ever relegated.

He is usually very accurate tbh. So I assume there was one

[TsarBomba]

https://twitter.com/secondtierpod/statu ... 0b1h3lY1Hg

Fab Twine strike to lighten the mood..