Norwood on Maatsen

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:44 pm

Has anyone got a replay of this or some stills?

Couldn't see it properly in real time and saw a lot of comments about how bad it was?

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:45 pm

Would've been a sending off with VAR

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:45 pm

Should have been a red. Could have been with VAR but god knows if they would have given it. Against a top 6 team then it’s a red all day. Anyone else and who knows.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:51 pm

Thought it looked a bit suspect in real time.
After seeing the replays, reckon he just followed through, regardless, though he'd time to pull out..
Honestly believe it deserved a red.

Accept you never know for sure.
That was a bad 'un though.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:55 pm

burnleymik wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:44 pm
Has anyone got a replay of this or some stills?

Couldn't see it properly in real time and saw a lot of comments about how bad it was?

they talked about at it half time on sky, unanimous that he meant it, unanimous that he should have walked

roperclaret · Post by **roperclaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:00 pm

No different from the Barnes one against Chelsea a few years ago.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:00 pm

Dirty Burnley
B***ard !

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:26 pm

Maatsen, Benson Foster Tella and Zaroury will all get far better protection in the Prem.

Rouwens_Weapon · Post by **Rouwens_Weapon** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:26 pm

It was very aggressive and he didn't
acknowledge Maatsen was injured afterwards.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:39 pm

Looked like he won the ball and caught Maatsen on the follow through. Didn't look anything wrong with it in real time.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:55 pm

roperclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:00 pm
No different from the Barnes one against Chelsea a few years ago.

Except that Matic came frrom behind Barnes to try and nick the ball as Ash was passing the ball back to Jones and was a fraction late. Thus Barnes wasnt tackling Matic.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:35 am

My take from the incident was that it was a tad aggressive and unnecessary but these challenges happen. What frustrated me at the time was after Norwood caught Maatsen, he didn't even have the decency to acknowledge Maatsen and check to see if he was alright - he just turned away and walked off. That to me suggests either he meant to catch him, or is a bit of a pr1ck. You catch someone like that, you check if they're alright - it's comon decency.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:22 am

The whole team is dirty.........i reckon it comes from their horrible management team!

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:48 am

Both Middlesbrough and Sheffield have been physical against us. They obviously thought they would beat us that way but we have toughened up since earlier in the season. Zaroury was kicked from pillar to post on Fri and got no protection at all from the ref.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:27 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:39 pm
Looked like he won the ball and caught Maatsen on the follow through. Didn't look anything wrong with it in real time.

Finally seen replays of this and the above is spot on. Sore one as he catches Maatsen's knee after he clears the ball but there's no foul there, let alone anything like a red card.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:30 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:27 pm
Finally seen replays of this and the above is spot on. Sore one as he catches Maatsen's knee after he clears the ball but there's no foul there, let alone anything like a red card.

One can only assume you have never played football to any standard at all if you think that’s a perfectly legitimate follow through

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:33 pm

Lol. OK.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:34 pm

At the time I didn't think much of it, but the replays show it was easily avoided. A red card all day.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:39 pm

Replays make it look far worse than it is. Football is played in real time, not slow motion. Literally none of the players complained about it at the time because it was just one of those things that happens in a football match.

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:55 pm

I've not seen any replays but to be fair I thought it was 'a good hard honest challenge' at the time. That said I was sat in the Bob Lord and not 10 yards away as the ref was

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:06 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:39 pm
Replays make it look far worse than it is. Football is played in real time, not slow motion. Literally none of the players complained about it at the time because it was just one of those things that happens in a football match.

Exactly. People screaming for a red and starting a thread to complain about it just shows how soft football has become. Also can't believe some are pining for VAR. This season has been great without it. You can have as many replays as you want but nobody can agree if it's a sending off. Just let the ref get on with it. And with VAR decisions just get softer and softer because they are terrified of being seen to miss something. So he probably would have been sent off under VAR when in reality it was a strong challenge. Bit too robust maybe but do we really want people off the field for that?

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:54 am

My take on it is that if it was an accident he would have apologised and made sure Maatsen was ok but he just walked off. He knew what he was doing. He did the same at Bristol City and also got away with it.

Big Vinny K · Post by **Big Vinny K** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:24 am

Not seen the challenge but Sheff United are a dirty team.
Almost every time I have seen them on TV this season there seems to be a mass brawl breaking out in the game and I 100% agree it comes from their manager and his staff.

I don’t think Norwood is that type of player though but as said not seen it. I believe the sky pundits were saying it should have been a red but that means nothing !! Football has definitely gone softer and VAR in cases like this and with us more likely to be a team that gets kicked rather than do the kicking could work in our favour.

For me more of a red card is that challenge by Silva last night (he played fantastic btw). It was a typical City challenge where there is zero attempt to get the ball - it’s part of the way we play too. If your sole purpose is to bring down a player by booting him whilst he is in full flight for me that should be a red anywhere on the pitch.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:23 am

Norwood's reaction to it, or lack of it, and the look in his face shows what a nasty individual he is.That was intentional

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:37 am

Blatant red card IMO. Clearly goes in to it with the intention of ‘smash the ball to disguise the intended follow through making contact with the opponent’. He also knows VAR isn’t available so chances are he gets away with it.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:01 am

If he keeps getting away with it he will keep doing it.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:09 am

In today’s football that is a red card all day long and I am convinced that Norwood knew exactly what he was doing.

When you think that Middlesbrough three days later got the softest penalty on earth and that wasn’t worth anything you do wonder where the game is heading.

ralph8 · Post by **ralph8** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:13 am

It's an obvious tactic from the Old School Sheff Utd management team to go in hard on any skilled lighter weight players and see how they respond. Unfortunately, with now having a few ballers in the team, we have been targeted this season and the protection from the Res has been missing.
I was not happy with the Benson WBA one, despite some on here defending the challenge.

ralph8 · Post by **ralph8** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:14 am

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:18 am

As a centre half who had no problem leaving one in to slow down a forward, in todays game it was a red all day long. The follow through was MEANT to catch Maatsen around the knee after playing the ball.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:27 am

Does anyone know how many minutes were on the clock when it happened.
Full match replay available on Clarets Player and I'd like to take another look at it.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:35 am

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:27 am
Does anyone know how many minutes were on the clock when it happened.
Full match replay available on Clarets Player and I'd like to take another look at it.

Fast forward

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:37 am

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:35 am
Fast forward

Go on, give us a clue!

Pushed for time.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:40 am

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:37 am
Go on, give us a clue!

Pushed for time.

No idea

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:46 am

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:37 am
Go on, give us a clue!

Pushed for time.

40 minutes or 39 minutes 13 seconds ish

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:56 am

Nasty, very nasty indeed.
Deliberately went to put Maatsen out of the game..
Straight red all day long with VAR.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:51 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:39 pm
Replays make it look far worse than it is. Football is played in real time, not slow motion. Literally none of the players complained about it at the time because it was just one of those things that happens in a football match.

Replays make it look exactly as it is

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:05 pm

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:51 pm
Replays make it look exactly as it is

Yep, not a foul.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:07 pm

I only saw it once on the night. Not seen any replays whatsoever.

My verdict was that he won the ball but ensured he got Ian on the follow through.

My instinct is that although it was nasty, he won the ball. I think this is exactly the kind of challenge that FIFA had in mind when they brought in the new offence of using “excess force” in a challenge.

How long has that been the rule? Before that definition appeared it wasn’t a foul. Since that is the rule, it could have been a free kick.

As I say, only saw it once when it happened at the ground.

Watching things in slow motion replays does skew our verdicts and it encourages different interpretations of the rules and even new rules themselves.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:24 pm

'Bit too robust maybe but do we really want people off the field for that'?

Er, yes.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:00 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:27 am
Does anyone know how many minutes were on the clock when it happened.
Full match replay available on Clarets Player and I'd like to take another look at it.

39 mins & 9 seconds

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:06 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:00 pm
39 mins & 9 seconds

Hi CT. I've sent you an email to the admin@ address. Have you received?

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:24 pm

In the opinion of the ex professional footballers commentating on Sky, Norwood knew what he was doing and it endangered Ian. Straight red was their verdict. Not that if matters, but I agree with the ex pros.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:30 pm

Deliberate attempt to leave one on him, he wouldn’t have followed through as much if he didn’t mean it. He could easily have cleared the ball and pulled his leg back after contact with the ball.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:19 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:24 pm
'Bit too robust maybe but do we really want people off the field for that'?

Er, yes.

No, we don't. You'll end up with loads of players sent off for perfectly good challenges. The reactions of the players are always telling. There were at least 4 of them right near the incident and not one of them appealed for anything. Pretty sure even Maatsen didn't. Nobody had a go at Norwood for it either, which you'd expect in the modern game if anyone had thought there was anything in it.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:23 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:19 pm
No, we don't. You'll end up with loads of players sent off for perfectly good challenges. The reactions of the players are always telling. There were at least 4 of them right near the incident and not one of them appealed for anything. Pretty sure even Maatsen didn't. Nobody had a go at Norwood for it either, which you'd expect in the modern game if anyone had thought there was anything in it.

So we don't need a referee.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:34 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:23 pm
So we don't need a referee.

Nope, we definitely need a referee.

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:34 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:24 pm
In the opinion of the ex professional footballers commentating on Sky, Norwood knew what he was doing and it endangered Ian. Straight red was their verdict. Not that if matters, but I agree with the ex pros.

Ex professional footballers talk tripe 99% of the time and then change their opinion to suit the wind. I don't disagree with those saying it should have been a red "in today's game". My issue is that today's game is too soft. Yellow card, crack on.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:47 pm

I wonder if those defending Norwood would be doing so if he had done some damage

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:00 pm

Agree had it been var then it was a red. Regardless of whether it was a booking or not it was still an awful challenge and one Norwood new exactly what he was doing imo.