Match Thread

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:51 pm

I don't think theres any bias here, i just think the referees are awful at interpreting the actions of players who are literally responding to split second stimulae. But they're looking at it in slow motion. The ball wasn't nearly far enough away from Berge that hed attempt or risk a deliberate handball. But his body movement, trying to trap the ball in his shoulder, looks as if he's "moving his arm toward the ball". It's a complete lack of awareness and judgement of natural physical movement

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:52 pm

Ampth7 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:48 pm
Who plays up top for the next 3 games? Jay?

Yes.

Carlos the Great · Post by **Carlos the Great** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:52 pm

Their player running up to the ref drawing a tv for him
Look at is a disgrace :: in the 94th minute a bit of a tussle and he gets Foster sent off for virtually nothing .:he should be ashamed

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:52 pm

Good battling draw and some lovely football played at times. The Gods were against us twice tonight unfortunately but we can take a lot away from the game

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:52 pm

Better team over 90 minutes
Much more balance
Real game changers on the bench
Lots to be happy with

But...

The worst referee I can remember, still being the worst referee I can remember
VAR confusing as ever
Could have conceded more against better opposition
Lots to be apprehensive about

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:53 pm

Refs decide results. Jones must have had a wedge on the draw. Attention seeking T***

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:54 pm

Pretty certain you can’t contest them after the ref looks at the monitor?

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:54 pm

Seen the foster sending off from ano angle now, and its fair enough red card

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:56 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:51 pm
I don't think theres any bias here, i just think the referees are awful at interpreting the actions of players who are literally responding to split second stimulae. But they're looking at it in slow motion. The ball wasn't nearly far enough away from Berge that hed attempt or risk a deliberate handball. But his body movement, trying to trap the ball in his shoulder, looks as if he's "moving his arm toward the ball". It's a complete lack of awareness and judgement of natural physical movement

I know what you are saying, but the ref was reacting to the crowd early doors and proved that with his Yellow for Trafford.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:52 pm
Yes.

Not a chance

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:56 pm

VAR says he deliberately moved his arm to control the ball so HANDBALL, ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:57 pm

As much as I dislike Carragher. He and Thomas Frank are spot on on these key moments tonight.

It Is What It Is · Post by **It Is What It Is** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:57 pm

A good point away.
I think the VAR decision to disallow what imo was a perfectly good goal, was made far far too quickly.
It was obvious top half of chest and shoulder...which is not handball.
VAR is destroying our beautiful game. It has completely taken away the human element.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:52 pm
Yes.

Hope not

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:57 pm

Howard Webb needs to step this clown down and his var spoiling the spectacle

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:58 pm

I hate this "And the referee has been asked to look at the monitor and you know what this means" schtick. Why has this act turned into a foregone conclusion? Such a charade.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:59 pm

I can understand why our goal might not have been given. Was it a clear and obvious error? I'm not so sure Arsenal have that overturned.

I hope this isn't another one of those Norwich City away moments. I still can't believe how we weren't awarded that penalty when Krul took Vyrda's head off. Those 2 points might have kept us up.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:59 pm

So impressed with Kompanys interview. He must have a view on the Berge handball but hes taken it all in good humor and focussing on things he can control

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:00 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:45 pm
I think they should only be allowed to look at incidents at full speed, but as many times as they like. Intent looks very different when its slowed right down

Totally agree.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:01 pm

I'd love to see some referees with some clout and bottle - who go up to the monitor and disagree with the plebs in the control room who clearly have no idea what they're talking about. That's what we're lacking. Missing the likes of Mike Dean who stick to their guns. "Clear and obvious" is the phrase that keeps getting thrown around - it's a myth.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:01 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:59 pm
I can understand why our goal might not have been given. Was it a clear and obvious error? I'm not so sure Arsenal have that overturned.

I hope this isn't another one of those Norwich City away moments. I still can't believe how we weren't awarded that penalty when Krul took Vyrda's head off. Those 2 points might have kept us up.

There’s no way it’s clear and obvious. It’s so close to his sleeve there is no conclusive angle to show it was below t shirt line. Even then it’s not deliberate.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:01 pm

One is handball and one isn't, ******* joke VAR

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm

I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.

claretwardy88 · Post by **claretwardy88** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm

Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:54 pm
Pretty certain you can’t contest them after the ref looks at the monitor?

The ref looked at the monitor on the villa game this weekend and stuck with his decision

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:59 pm
So impressed with Kompanys interview. He must have a view on the Berge handball but hes taken it all in good humor and focussing on things he can control

I don't know how he does it and at this point I'd honestly find it cathartic to see someone give a Ternent-tier rant at it all. Stick Bellers on press duty next time and just let him take the touchline ban.

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:05 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:52 pm
Good battling draw and some lovely football played at times. The Gods were against us twice tonight unfortunately but we can take a lot away from the game

Spot on

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:06 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:44 pm
I’m all for a good conspiracy theory but there was no evidence it even hit Awoniyis hand/arm.

I beg to differ...

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:06 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:44 pm
100% improvement so that’s good. Charlie just saved you £30m VK!

He was excellent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was only selected because they went with two out and out wingers, CHO & Elanga. Against a side not playing two wingers we’ll go a different way, although I hope not.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:07 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:57 pm
Hope not

Would you rather go with no CF?

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:07 pm
Would you rather go with no CF?

He's not the only forward at the club you know

Front 3

tresor Amdouni koleosho

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm
I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.

Beauty of football.

I thought his touch was excellent. I thought he moved the ball quickly and kept the game flowing. I thought he looked good.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pm

I'd love to see an opposition manager come out and publically criticise VAR when decisions go their way - why can't Cooper come out and say "We got away with one today, VAR was shocking and needs looking at". Me thinks they're too happy the results go their way and don't care for the future of the game.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pm

Amazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.

Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3

On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:10 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:06 pm
He was excellent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was only selected because they went with two out and out wingers, CHO & Elanga. Against a side not playing two wingers we’ll go a different way, although I hope not.

Isn't that the first time this season they have played with 4 at the back and two wingers?

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:10 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm
I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:10 pm

Cooper: ‘it was a clear handball so we go with it’

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:11 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pm
Amazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.

Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3

On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho

I'll have some of that

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:11 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:06 pm
He was excellent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was only selected because they went with two out and out wingers, CHO & Elanga. Against a side not playing two wingers we’ll go a different way, although I hope not.

I love charlie and he played well tonight, but ian maatsen is on a completely different level. And I think their respective careers will bear that out

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:11 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm
I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.

Thought he played well personally.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:11 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:32 pm
Two identical incidents. Predictable decisions by Jones.I am lost for words to describe him

He’s the biggest “see you next Tuesday” in the premier league and that’s some going.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:12 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pm
Amazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.

Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3

On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho

Yep, agree with all of this. That three in midfield will be very strong and it’s crazy it’s not been seen as yet from the start.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:14 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm
I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.

Properly mental.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:14 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:06 pm
He was excellent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was only selected because they went with two out and out wingers, CHO & Elanga. Against a side not playing two wingers we’ll go a different way, although I hope not.

In this less experimental line up Taylor is more than adequate, if you want an attacking wing back/ left winger than Maatsen is better but I think having Luca on the left wing negates that now, what a game he had! Ian who?

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:14 pm

Ampth7 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:10 pm
Cooper: ‘it was a clear handball so we go with it’

That’s a man who knows he’s got away with one

Uwe Noble · Post by **Uwe Noble** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:14 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm
I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.

You must have been watching a different match. The guy is class.

ervi34 · Post by **ervi34** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:14 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pm
Amazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.

Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3

On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho

I hope we will see Berge advanced with Brownhill and Cullen behind him with Amdouni on the wing (that way he can be more involved) very soon, maybe even in the next game.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:14 pm

Rick_Muller wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:35 pm
Fosters off here - absolute joke again

On reflection and after seeing the other angle it was a just red card. Still fuming at the ridiculous non handball to disallow our winner though

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:14 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pm
Amazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.

Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3

On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho

Completely agree with that and the team for United

ervi34 · Post by **ervi34** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:15 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm
I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.

I actually thought that he didn't have a poor touch. Very impressed so far.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:16 pm

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm
I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.