Churlinov - £5 million ish, contract expires 2026
See my other responseNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:07 pmFrom this seasons signings I can currently only see Koleosho going for profit
Make your mind up. You said we won't lose money on any of them!GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:01 pmA handful?
If we did, that would be made up on the sales of others so it would balance out and we’d be in profit
No way will we get a decent amount of money back for Churlinov,it’s tough that he’s been seriously ill but he wasn’t good enough in the championship,Twine isn’t even rated by the Hull fans ,and any one whose willing to pay over £2 mill for Trafford will have been conned more than we were .Promising goalkeepers are 10 a penny look at the likes of Butland and Kirkland brilliant as kids but never made the step up.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:10 pmChurlinov - £5 million ish, contract expires 2026
Trafford - up to £15 million ish plus addons, contract expires 2027
Vitinho - fee unknown, rumoured to be £1-2 million, contract expires 2027
Twine - £4-5 million ish, contract until 2026
Bastien - £800k, contract until 2025
Twine was unfortunate with injury in his first season with us so he’s a year behind in development compared to the rest
They’re all of a good age and we won’t lose money on them, but I’d love to hear why you think we will
I'll be willing to bet you a £50 donation to the charity of the boards choosing we won't make money on Churlinov.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:10 pmChurlinov - £5 million ish, contract expires 2026
Trafford - up to £15 million ish plus addons, contract expires 2027
Vitinho - fee unknown, rumoured to be £1-2 million, contract expires 2027
Twine - £4-5 million ish, contract until 2026
Bastien - £800k, contract until 2025
Twine was unfortunate with injury in his first season with us so he’s a year behind in development compared to the rest
They’re all of a good age and we won’t lose money on them, but I’d love to hear why you think we will
I think you're being highly optimistic there.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:10 pmChurlinov - £5 million ish, contract expires 2026
Trafford - up to £15 million ish plus addons, contract expires 2027
Vitinho - fee unknown, rumoured to be £1-2 million, contract expires 2027
Twine - £4-5 million ish, contract until 2026
Bastien - £800k, contract until 2025
Twine was unfortunate with injury in his first season with us so he’s a year behind in development compared to the rest
They’re all of a good age and we won’t lose money on them, but I’d love to hear why you think we will
We won’t lose moneyJohnMcGreal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:03 pmMake your mind up. You said we won't lose money on any of them!
Seriously though, I admire your unshakeable belief in something that nobody, not even the board of directors, knows just how it will pan out.
There's an element of risk involved in all transfers. Sometimes they don't work out and you lose some money. I'm not sure why that's such a controversial opinion for you.
IF we were relegated I’d imagine it’d be largely squad fillers that’d leave (twines,mcnallys,costelloes etc).Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:34 pmBecause they are more than likely going to have to be sold or loaned out in 7-8 months time
Churlinov had that serious illnessSwizzlestick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:21 pmI think you're being highly optimistic there.
No idea how we're getting near £5m for Churlinov considering he's barely played and when he has, hasn't looked up to scratch.
Trafford will need to improve markedly to recoup anything close to £15m.
Vitinho - ok, probably make our money back, but we're not talking jackpot.
Twine - potential, but I don't think he's setting the world alight at Hull
Bastien - low fee, maybe will make it back, but is he playing in Turkey? Heard nothing.
Why just Churlinov?
Most might stay because they won’t get better offers than they are already on. It’s not a good indicator that are deemed unworthy to poach it’s a good indicator that other clubs aren’t interested & we are paying them over the odds because even though that they would be contractually tied in it wouldn’t be an insurmountable obstacle if another club offered the right sort of money, it’s a principle that’s universally applied with every players got a price.Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:25 pmIF we were relegated I’d imagine it’d be largely squad fillers that’d leave (twines,mcnallys,costelloes etc).
There’s no need for a fire sale like last time, totally different squad and circumstances. Finances are fine so no big need for book balancing.
Most will stay for continued development.
May be different I guess if manager changes, which I wouldn’t expect to happen.
Absolutely, every player will have their price but I’d expect most to stay/not be sold.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:35 pmMost might stay because they won’t get better offers than they are already on. It’s not a good indicator that are deemed unworthy to poach it’s a good indicator that other clubs aren’t interested & we are paying them over the odds because even though that they would be contractually tied in it wouldn’t be an insurmountable obstacle if another club offered the right sort of money, it’s a principle that’s universally applied with every players got a price.
Because I'm not the one saying we will guarantee profit on all our players. I've picked one of our players, yet strangely enough you don't feel confident about it now. It's almost like you just take an extreme view to start arguments but don't actually believe what you're saying.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:30 pmWhy just Churlinov?
He had blood poisoning and is recovering from that because he lost both weight and muscle mass
Bit harsh to target just him, but I suppose you want a sure fire win to boost your ego and that shows me what kind of person you are
Sorry, not playing that one
When he’s fit, he’ll prove his worth and he’s got time yet
The ones that impress or have itchy feet will be off in a flash, I’m not sure if there’s any consolation to be had that the 1s that are more likely to stay will be substandard.Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:51 pmAbsolutely, every player will have their price but I’d expect most to stay/not be sold.
I completely disagree, you’re forgetting the players interests. I suspect a large portion will be like Weghorst and have absolutely zero interest of playing in the championship.Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:25 pmIF we were relegated I’d imagine it’d be largely squad fillers that’d leave (twines,mcnallys,costelloes etc).
There’s no need for a fire sale like last time, totally different squad and circumstances. Finances are fine so no big need for book balancing.
Most will stay for continued development.
May be different I guess if manager changes, which I wouldn’t expect to happen.
Berge would leave I think, player ambition besides the club would actively look to offload all the highest earners with championship revenue.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:59 pmI completely disagree, you’re forgetting the players interests. I suspect a large portion will be like Weghorst and have absolutely zero interest of playing in the championship.
Tresor for example i suspect will go back to Belgium and get some European football.
Odobert might drop with us, but again I suspect he will want to go back to Europe.
Muric will definitely leave as Trafford will still be number 1.
Ramsey will stay.
Berge will stay but wouldn’t be surprised if one of the newly promoted clubs tries to get him in on loan.
Amdouni will 100% leave. No way he will want to drop.
I also think the club will want to recoup a fair bit of last summers outlay.
You’ve picked the only one recovering from a major illness, like you’re playing it safe because you want to winboyyanno wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:52 pmBecause I'm not the one saying we will guarantee profit on all our players. I've picked one of our players, yet strangely enough you don't feel confident about it now. It's almost like you just take an extreme view to start arguments but don't actually believe what you're saying.
Salivating?CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:02 pmOn pace to go down as one of the worst ever PL sides and fans are salivating at the prospect of potentially selling massively underperforming players on for a profit.
Wtf?!
We’ll see I guess. Think the squad will be trimmed for numbers bottom up as well as Cork/Jay moving on.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:56 pmThe ones that impress or have itchy feet will be off in a flash, I’m not sure if there’s any consolation to be had that the 1s that are more likely to stay will be substandard.
I wouldn’t worry about pressure to sell in all honesty nobody would want them the way things are currently, it’s the other way around I’d be more worried about is how we can get rid of them.Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:11 pmWe’ll see I guess. Think the squad will be trimmed for numbers bottom up as well as Cork/Jay moving on.
No pressure to sell unless valuations are met. They’ll always be exceptions that don’t want to play 2nd tier but in general we don’t have that many ‘finished articles’ like we did last time.
Very few players at the club I’d describe as substandard unless you refer to your Twines,Mcnallys,costelloes who are the most likely departees in my view.
The difference is I’m more bothered about having a team that can win a game - the rest will take care of itself.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:11 pmSalivating?
No, just discussing it
I know you’d rather we sold at a huge loss, but ain’t gonna happen
Not that confident if you shrank away when I suggested putting money on itGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:10 pmYou’ve picked the only one recovering from a major illness, like you’re playing it safe because you want to win
Pick Trafford if you want, I’m not betting on someone who’s had a serious/life threatening illness so recently
I’m confident we’ll make money on them all, but then again I’m not the doomsayer some of you love being
It's a question that's impossible to answer until that juncture is reached, but with the way things are currently & if things don't change it doesn't brim you full of confidence that a stampede of clubs will be in pursuit of our players more the club trying to find ways of selling them or loaning them out anything to get them off the books.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:18 pmNot really clear whether it's dafter to think we're going to make a profit on every player or to think we're going to sell the whole squad at a loss next summer.
Made me chuckle on what has been a very poor day thus far.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:15 pmI wouldn’t worry about pressure to sell in all honesty nobody would want them the way things are currently, it’s the other way around I’d be more worried about is how we can get rid of them.
It’s a project with no time limit ,didn’t you knowCoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:55 pmIt is quite mental when you think about where we are now vs May.
There wouldn’t be so much debate if things looked at least a little sensible - even if we were this poor but when you have 11+ wingers, expensive players not making the match day squad, ‘director of matchday experience’/club throwing shade at the supporters then this is what you get….
- It really is indicative of the mess that’s been made.
We were probably as ‘aligned’ (to coin a Dycheism) as we had been as a club/fanbase et al since May 2009, all for 6 months to go by and now it’s approaching Laws at Barnsely territory.
Absolutely no one associated with BFC, even the happiest of happy clappers would have took where we are now after the Blackburn game and would have laughed at you if you’d have suggested it.
The narrative has gone from:
‘we can have a real go at it this year and who knows, we could be pushing towards midtable/top half’
‘first few games are a write off anyway’
‘Judge us after we have played some teams in and around us’
‘Well we don’t know, we could be even better in two years’
That is pure delusion and huffing copium to the extreme.
At least admit that it stinks instead of playing this ‘our fans have no patience’ nonsense.
One win in thirteen - it’s **** poor and if we go on anywhere near like we have then it will have been a catastrophic failure.
and wasn’t there something stated round about March that we were in a good position and could start planning for the Premiership well before the season ended.Hi Big V K, you've got banking experience, I understand. I'm sure you meant to say that amortisation is a profit and loss charge rather than "balance sheet." The club's balance sheet will show the amount owed to the selling club at the balance sheet date, and, of course, the remaining balance after all the amortisation charges, of the total value of the amount spent to acquire all the players' contracts at the same date.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:53 pmHi Paul
Yes that’s correct in terms of the balance sheet impact and how amortisation of player assets is usually accounted for.
Badly worded probably Paul but I meant in terms of the way the assets of players are treated on the balance sheet and the value applied post amortisation.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:57 pmHi Big V K, you've got banking experience, I understand. I'm sure you meant to say that amortisation is a profit and loss charge rather than "balance sheet." The club's balance sheet will show the amount owed to the selling club at the balance sheet date, and, of course, the remaining balance after all the amortisation charges, of the total value of the amount spent to acquire all the players' contracts at the same date.
Where have I shrank away?
I'm sorry to hear that.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:02 pmWhere have I shrank away?
I’ve said I won’t bet on a man who’s recovering from a serious illness
Blood poisoning is a big deal, it’s what killed my dad ultimately
I’m fine betting on someone else like Trafford
He was named by someone else and I just referenced his contract, what we paid etc
Choosing someone else would defeat the purpose. You've said we will make money on them all, I've picked one and you've baulked.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:27 pmHe was named by someone else and I just referenced his contract, what we paid etc
Choose someone else or shush about the matter, you’re droning on now and it’s boring me
Hi New, I've no found the time to take a look at the Macquarie loans advancing cash for both Nick Pope and Nathan Collins. I remember Nick Pope being spread over 3 further payments from Newcastle - and presumably, an equal down payment making 4 payments in total, working out a little less than £10 million. (I assume there could also be some add-ons). I'm not sure if I'd ever looked at Nathan Collins charge before, 3 payments, 2023, 2024 and 2025 each of £5 million due from Wolves and again, with an equal down payment the 4 would total £20 million. (I would assume the fact that Wolves sold Collins to Brentford doesn't change any of the timings of the further payments due to Burnley/Macquarie. Anyone know any different?).NewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:26 pmHi Paul,
No I wasn’t referring to the amortisation treatment, just that in my experience the payments have tallied to the years on the contract. Wood - 2 years, 2 payments. I thought Pope was 4 years, 4 payments too from the Macquarie loans.
In any event, my point is that if we spent £96m - which seems about right - then only a proportion of that would’ve been payable up front. That might be £20m - £30m, depending on how we’ve structured the deals but it’s certainly not £96m outlay in one go.
Then further, as you say, there will be add-ons that will only be triggered if the players are successful. I heard the Trafford deal was nowhere near the reported fee in guaranteed payments for example.
You would think that when Collins transferred to Brentford we would have received the outstanding balance due from Wolves.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:31 pmHi New, I've no found the time to take a look at the Macquarie loans advancing cash for both Nick Pope and Nathan Collins. I remember Nick Pope being spread over 3 further payments from Newcastle - and presumably, an equal down payment making 4 payments in total, working out a little less than £10 million. (I assume there could also be some add-ons). I'm not sure if I'd ever looked at Nathan Collins charge before, 3 payments, 2023, 2024 and 2025 each of £5 million due from Wolves and again, with an equal down payment the 4 would total £20 million. (I would assume the fact that Wolves sold Collins to Brentford doesn't change any of the timings of the further payments due to Burnley/Macquarie. Anyone know any different?).
Of course, these are outgoing transfers. Do we see similar "macquarie advances and security charges" when BFC is the buyer?
We’d effectively received it anyway, so any fees would’ve gone straight to Macquarie.Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:54 pmYou would think that when Collins transferred to Brentford we would have received the outstanding balance due from Wolves.
Hi Paul,Paul Waine wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:31 pmHi New, I've no found the time to take a look at the Macquarie loans advancing cash for both Nick Pope and Nathan Collins. I remember Nick Pope being spread over 3 further payments from Newcastle - and presumably, an equal down payment making 4 payments in total, working out a little less than £10 million. (I assume there could also be some add-ons). I'm not sure if I'd ever looked at Nathan Collins charge before, 3 payments, 2023, 2024 and 2025 each of £5 million due from Wolves and again, with an equal down payment the 4 would total £20 million. (I would assume the fact that Wolves sold Collins to Brentford doesn't change any of the timings of the further payments due to Burnley/Macquarie. Anyone know any different?).
Of course, these are outgoing transfers. Do we see similar "macquarie advances and security charges" when BFC is the buyer?
From what I remember of our accounts most of our transfer fees in the last 10 years or so we’ve been in and around the Premier League have been spread over 3 or 4 years.NewClaret wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:23 pmHi Paul,
I think Pope signed a 4 year deal, with three instalments. I’m imagining the downpayment was £3m and there was then 3 further payments of £2.33m to make up the £10m.
With Collins, he signed a 5 year deal so I think the fee was £20m, 4x£5m.
That supports Boyyanno’s point that they are not all equal, but I’d be really shocked if we’d spent much more than £25-£30m.
Newcastle used to have a policy of paying all transfer fees up front under Ashley. Which might explain why he didn’t make many signings. I think everyone else pays on the drip like us.
They are being smart and not listening to people on social media and on hereNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:56 pmLooks the like owners are going to stick with VK regardless now.
JJ Watt has said he’s not going anywhere on the Pat Mcnaffy show. Got to wonder what the hell there thinking.
Very happy with that.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:56 pmLooks the like owners are going to stick with VK regardless now.
JJ Watt has said he’s not going anywhere on the Pat Mcnaffy show. Got to wonder what the hell there thinking.
Link?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:56 pmLooks the like owners are going to stick with VK regardless now.
JJ Watt has said he’s not going anywhere on the Pat Mcnaffy show. Got to wonder what the hell there thinking.
Not really.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:56 pmLooks the like owners are going to stick with VK regardless now.
JJ Watt has said he’s not going anywhere on the Pat Mcnaffy show. Got to wonder what the hell there thinking.