Barton

[Bordeauxclaret]

Looks like he’s moved on to women working in football clubs being an issue now.

[FeedTheArf]

He's starting to look a little desperate is our Joey

[Swizzlestick]

He’s being weird again on Twitter today. Comes across as a bit odd and creepy.

[Darthlaw]

Joey needs to learn its best to be quiet and let some folk think you're stupid, rather than speak and confirm it to everyone.

On the subject, the female commentator in the week for the Wolves game, on Prime, was an absolute shocker getting the majority of things wrong but that's nothing to do with her gender, she just blatantly wasnt up to standard.

Even then, there are plenty of poor male commentators now and have been for years so I don't know why Joey needs to specify his concerns all to one gender.

To double down on his argument with 'they've never played the mens game' is even more strange when I believe the two best commentators in my lifetime, Barry Davies and John Motson (IMO of course), didn't have exactly amazing professional careers.

The cynic in me says Joey needs some listeners for his new podcast and is aiming for the Talksport demographic, where taking an extreme opinion will hopefully grab him some listeners.

[Big Vinny K]

He’s got the demons as our Joey.
At least when he’s playing or managing a team he’s only causing controversy within his own club by fighting other managers or attacking his fellow players.

When he’s out of work he gets involved in other things - like making himself look an idiot on Question Time or idiotic things like this week.

[Socrates]

He’s a f**king idiot.

Good footballer. Awful bloke.

[JohnMcGreal]

At least his attacks on women were only verbal this time. A step in the right direction, I suppose.

[Jjjack]

You raise an interesting point about men in the womens game. There are men for sure, but I can't recall, for example, men commentating on the recent womens world cup.

Another point in all this is that Joey is entitled to a view. Its called free speech - until he gets cancelled of course.!!!

Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence. Say what you want, and then expect the backlash when it's something as moronic as what Barton has said.

[HahaYeah]

As said further back, Barton can always get a job with GB news if he gets cancelled by the Wokestapo.

[Jamesy]

Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence. Say what you want, and then expect the backlash when it's something as moronic as what Barton has said.

It’s strange isn’t it how nothing happens to that smug, sanctimonious git Lineker when he spouts his crap. Yet we are still expected to cough up for our TV licences to keep him and other wokies in the comfortable lifestyles they are accustomed to.
Oops, wrong thread.

[Swizzlestick]

Lineker is an excellent presenter who is both professional in his job and can provide an insight into the game as an ex footballer. I imagine that's a rare combination of skills to have. I enjoy watching him and if you have a problem with him because of his political persuasions, that sounds like a you problem.

[Swizzlestick]

Too late to edit - but just to add: As mentioned above - Barton can say all these things, however often he wants, but the way he's doing it is idiotic - shaming young vloggers, calling out current female presenters, being generally offensive - Lineker may say things you don't agree with on Twitter, but at least he usually backs it up and communicates them in a reasonable manner. There's a world of difference.

Re Barton, I'm starting to think he's having some kind of episode - tweets are almost manic.

[Jamesy]

It’s only a problem to me because I am paying my licence fee and he is allowed to post his political and woke views on twatter or X as it’s now called. Views that I personally find offensive.

[TheFamilyCat]

Well I firmly believe that Joey is entitled to say whatever he wants and I'm sure he has absolute conviction in his words...

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[aggi]

His twitter currently has the same energy as those right wing non-entities you see complaining that Alastair Campbell won't go on their podcast to debate them.

[pushpinpussy]

They are commentators not pundits.

You are the only poster who has understood what i meant when i said "do your research" to some idiot.

[Jamesy]

His twitter currently has the same energy as those right wing non-entities you see complaining that Alastair Campbell won't go on their podcast to debate them.

I’m not on here for a political debate. I just don’t think Lineker should be spouting his political views on platforms like twatter whilst he is a BBC employee, and their highest remunerated one at that.

[TheFamilyCat]

I’m not on here for a political debate. I just don’t think Lineker should be spouting his political views on platforms like twatter whilst he is a BBC employee, and their highest remunerated one at that.

That's bullshit. You only have an issue because you don't agree with his views.

[Jamesy]

That's bullshit. You only have an issue because you don't agree with his views.

Whether I agree or disagree with his views he shouldn’t be spouting them and should be censured for doing so.

[aggi]

I’m not on here for a political debate. I just don’t think Lineker should be spouting his political views on platforms like twatter whilst he is a BBC employee, and their highest remunerated one at that.

I'm not really sure what this has to do with Barton's twitter and his desperate attempts to promote his podcast.

Personally I don't really care if they have outside opinions but surely if it's that important to you then Alan Sugar would be where you'd be starting. His posts are much more overtly political.

[Jamesy]

I'm not really sure what this has to do with Barton's twitter and his desperate attempts to promote his podcast.

Personally I don't really care if they have outside opinions but surely if it's that important to you then Alan Sugar would be where you'd be starting. His posts are much more overtly political.

Read my original post.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm not really sure what this has to do with Barton's twitter and his desperate attempts to promote his podcast.

Personally I don't really care if they have outside opinions but surely if it's that important to you then Alan Sugar would be where you'd be starting. His posts are much more overtly political.

You have pretty much contradicted the argument you have set out with the word "outside" the opinions cast aren't outside anything but else we wouldn't even be having this conversation in the first place Sir Alan sugar also deserves & commands far more respect than GL

[AlargeClaret]

Well I firmly believe that Joey is entitled to say whatever he wants and I'm sure he has absolute conviction in his words...


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The fact Barton has complimented the rather successful Emma Hayes ( and more so after that tweet as well ) back in 2017 ,surely has no bearing on what he’s currently ranting about ? ie the over representation of female presenters / co comms etc in the men’s game ?

While factually he has a point , he’s surely just ruffling feathers to publicise his new podcast ?

[Accrington claret]

Well said Joey, totally agree with him

[CrosspoolClarets]

Hilarious to see all the lefties that Joey has triggered getting all offended by this.

I think he is right, I’ve been saying for years people should be chosen on ability alone, not gender, skin colour or other demographic. If someone is way better (and maybe Emma Hayes is), great, let’s hear them. But I suspect choices are made on TV shows based on EDI box ticking. Most are useless. That goes for many male pundits too.

The trouble with Joey though, he raises the stakes and makes it OTT, as some say like he is promoting a Talk Sport show.

He was a diamond for us though, we shouldn’t forget that.

[IanMcL]

Hilarious to see all the lefties that Joey has triggered getting all offended by this.

I think he is right, I’ve been saying for years people should be chosen on ability alone, not gender, skin colour or other demographic. If someone is way better (and maybe Emma Hayes is), great, let’s hear them. But I suspect choices are made on TV shows based on EDI box ticking. Most are useless. That goes for many male pundits too.

The trouble with Joey though, he raises the stakes and makes it OTT, as some say like he is promoting a Talk Sport show.

He was a diamond for us though, we shouldn’t forget that.

I am a lefties and I agree with him. It's about football. Not sure how being a 'leftie' or a 'tosser' has anything to do with it.

[Sheedyclaret]

Massive over reaction it’s his opinion and he makes a few valid points

[boatshed bill]

I don't really see how JB's comments are relevant to the ongoing debate about how women are being used to front or commentate on TV sport programme's, or their effectiveness in this role.

[helmclaret]

He’s perfect for GBeebies now.

What an odd bloke.

[Socrates]

Keeps doubling down and doubling down.

He’s gone full Le Tissier this morning.

[daveisaclaret]

It may be best to have a short pause in calling Barton a **** in case this is a manic episode or similar.

What that says about the people cheering him on is a little troubling but nevertheless.

[Swizzlestick]

I think the tweets this morning confirm that it's not actually about women in football - that was just a convenient gateway - he's just a flat out bigot. If you want to co-sign his views, fill your boots, but let's not pretend that anything else is going on here.

[HahaYeah]

Looked at his twitter...

"Wow. That was joyous. Thank you.

Men and Women working in perfect harmony to produce a brilliant product. All there on their own merit. A band. A true meritocracy. Best musician gets the gig.

No tokenism here. No drop of standards. A beautiful send off for a great character.

Rest In Peace.
Shane. "

Is that it? Is that 'full Le Tissier'?

[daveisaclaret]

I assume you're capable of understanding he's tweeted more than once this morning?

[Swizzlestick]

Leaving aside using a man’s funeral to further pursue an agenda, there’s been a few tweets posted after that one.

[HahaYeah]

I'm not familiar with twitter, I leave it to you twitts.

[claptrappers_union]

He's completely unhinged. I understood his point initially, but now he’s lost the plot.

[helmclaret]

Seems mentally ill.

Hopefully he talks to someone soon and gets some help.

[Big Vinny K]

Seems mentally ill.

Hopefully he talks to someone soon and gets some help.

Of course if he is ill then I hope he does get help and support.

But he’s been a lot of a tit many times before and compared to most of the the stuff he has done this is way down the list….though he seems to be making it worse trying to defend himself.

For someone who considers himself to be fairly articulate (he’s not btw) you think he would try and put forward a more considered argument rather than headlining grabbing comments. He must be aware that whenever he comments on pretty much any subject that it will be seized upon because of who he is and what he has done

[pureclaret]

Barton RIP you sick excuse for a huiman being you have taken freedom of speach and produced a hate filled rant that should have you investigated by the police, for your latest rant . I appoligise if you did not say those commnets and feel you should have the editors of the news papers who have printed these details investigated for there hate speach.
I have 2 dughters and 2 sons , one of my daughters is in a realshionship with another woman , one of my sons does not feel he wants to be labled in a gende identy,(he lives with a woman who feels the same) I have 4 grand daughters and 2 grandsons , I love each one of my children and grand children and would and will fight to the death to defend thier right to live on this planet as they wish as long as they are not hurting any one.
I would not wish for any of them to get a job based on sexist views, but on thier ability to do said job.
Emma Heys is quite right about how woman were banned from football until the late 1960s just so men could earn more money.

[elwaclaret]

I find the calls for censure of anyone expressing an opinion fundamentally problematic.

We live in a democracy… calling for the thought police is welcoming oppression - a major principle of totalitarianism, a slippery slope… that starts with the cancellation of political satire and investigative journalism…

Oh wait… Mock the Week, Newsnight….

[Falcon]

The way I see it, he either

a) doesn't believe this stuff but is courting controversy to stay relevant get more buzz around his podcast etc
b) really believes that that the football industry is now set out to exclude white men (which is mental)

Either way, he's probably ruined his chance of ever getting back into being a football manager. What team is going to appoint someone who holds such views? It would be a PR disaster and unpopular with the fans. Whether you agree with him or not (and I wholeheartedly don't), the younger generation in general don't agree with these kind of views, and they are the future. The world has changed.

[Ric_C]

Barton RIP you sick excuse for a huiman being you have taken freedom of speach and produced a hate filled rant that should have you investigated by the police, for your latest rant . I appoligise if you did not say those commnets and feel you should have the editors of the news papers who have printed these details investigated for there hate speach.
I have 2 dughters and 2 sons , one of my daughters is in a realshionship with another woman , one of my sons does not feel he wants to be labled in a gende identy,(he lives with a woman who feels the same) I have 4 grand daughters and 2 grandsons , I love each one of my children and grand children and would and will fight to the death to defend thier right to live on this planet as they wish as long as they are not hurting any one.
I would not wish for any of them to get a job based on sexist views, but on thier ability to do said job.
Emma Heys is quite right about how woman were banned from football until the late 1960s just so men could earn more money.

Don't understand a word of this babble

[Bordeauxclaret]

He looks to have pivoted today to celebrating Alex Jones being back on twitter( the guy who claimed Sandy Hook was a hoax) and threatening Sky Sports News Reporters.


If I was a betting man I’d wager his wife has left him.

[Swizzlestick]

The way I see it, he either

a) doesn't believe this stuff but is courting controversy to stay relevant get more buzz around his podcast etc
b) really believes that that the football industry is now set out to exclude white men (which is mental)

Either way, he's probably ruined his chance of ever getting back into being a football manager. What team is going to appoint someone who holds such views? It would be a PR disaster and unpopular with the fans. Whether you agree with him or not (and I wholeheartedly don't), the younger generation in general don't agree with these kind of views, and they are the future. The world has changed.

This final point is a good one, because I think he expected a few more back slaps and 'yeah you're dead right Joey' from the football lads on there - I think he thought these were pretty boilerplate populist views, whereas the general consensus has been 'what on earth are you doing'? I think most fans, particularly younger fans who are into vlogging and watch alongs etc, are just baffled. Would explain his pivot into general alt right narratives now as he probably realises the football gigs will be drying up and he needs to get on the grift train. Quite a sorry sight - loved him as a player here but he just comes across as a toilet of a man. He's also come across as quite manic in his postings, which suggests something's going on in the background.

[Jamesy]

Barton RIP you sick excuse for a huiman being you have taken freedom of speach and produced a hate filled rant that should have you investigated by the police, for your latest rant . I appoligise if you did not say those commnets and feel you should have the editors of the news papers who have printed these details investigated for there hate speach.
I have 2 dughters and 2 sons , one of my daughters is in a realshionship with another woman , one of my sons does not feel he wants to be labled in a gende identy,(he lives with a woman who feels the same) I have 4 grand daughters and 2 grandsons , I love each one of my children and grand children and would and will fight to the death to defend thier right to live on this planet as they wish as long as they are not hurting any one.
I would not wish for any of them to get a job based on sexist views, but on thier ability to do said job.
Emma Heys is quite right about how woman were banned from football until the late 1960s just so men could earn more money.

I think you need to calm down a bit. Not sure about women being banned from football until the late 60’s was so men could earn more money? If Emma Hayes said this and meant it then she was talking tosh.
The majority of Professional Footballers up until the late 60’s didn’t earn a lot of money at all. Many of them lived amongst us mere mortals on modern housing developments.

[daveisaclaret]

I think it's fair to say his time in football was over before this sad little episode. As a player Barton generally played at a lower level than he should have done due to his personality and it looks clear that while his talent on the pitch justified clubs (including us) taking the risk, as a manager he doesn't have that talent. To add to his modest ability as a manager he's been charged with assault while in both managerial jobs he's had, compared his team's defending to the holocaust and I think it's reasonable to say generally acted like someone you wouldn't want around your football club.

There are some spectacularly thick and unpleasant people who make good money from the kind of horrible **** his podcast is obviously going to be but I'm not really convinced he'll make it in that world.

[daveisaclaret]

I think you need to calm down a bit. Not sure about women being banned from football until the late 60’s was so men could earn more money? If Emma Hayes said this and meant it then she was talking tosh.
The majority of Professional Footballers up until the late 60’s didn’t earn a lot of money at all. Many of them lived amongst us mere mortals on modern housing developments.

That is why women's football was banned.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

I am getting the impression he might be quite unwell mental health wise. The tweets are all a bit frantic and overly aggressive. I hope he has close people that can reach out and make sure he is alright.

[Jamesy]

That is why women's football was banned.

Seriously?