MISSION TO RELEGATION.

[CoolClaret]

"Gee Alan, CoolClaret, Westleigh and Bumba are complaining about the transfer window for the millionth time. What are we gonna do?"

Certainly more noise than that across all channels - hope you enjoy the club slowly morphing into a soulless, sanitised commercial venture for some Yank leeches though *


* sponsored by some bullshit Crypto venture

[Bosscat]

Please tell me where I’ve mentioned the transfer window on this post ?

You just have

[Nori1958]

So why make a comment about the Op’s age? obviously trying to demean his post.

I said it was a shock that it was written by a 70+ adult.
It's content, grammar, the way it was written etc all pointed to some young kid having a paddy
Several agreed so it wasn't only me.

[Westleigh]

You just have

Hey we don’t want any humour this is a serious subject.

[Westleigh]

I said it was a shock that it was written by a 70+ adult.
It's content, grammar, the way it was written etc all pointed to some young kid having a paddy
Several agreed so it wasn't only me.

Now your being childish picking up on people’s grammar ,surely the point of the post is the most important thing not if they’ve dotted the i and crossed the t .

[Nori1958]

Now your being childish picking up on people’s grammar ,surely the point of the post is the most important thing not if they’ve dotted the i and crossed the t .

You've missed out the bit where I mentioned the content, and the way it was written.... Its not childish to make an assumption on something based on those areas.

I'll have a guess that 99.9% of 70 Yr olds would not post in that way..... So it was a shock to find that it had been.

[Westleigh]

You've missed out the bit where I mentioned the content, and the way it was written.... Its not childish to make an assumption on something based on those areas.

I'll have a guess that 99.9% of 70 Yr olds would not post in that way..... So it was a shock to find that it had been.

I see your earlier post has been removed ,however you just don’t get the point do you ? The OP posted a valid comment it doesn’t really matter if he’s 7 or 70,you decided that it was a childish post so had to make a personal comment and after Tony’s remarks the other week about nastiness on this board and the unfortunate situation with Lyle Foster you really should be apologising to the OP,or just stop posting.

[elwaclaret]

I think, as usual the truth lies somewhere in the middle of this tribal warfare.

The board underestimated the Premier League, flushed with their success in the Championship.
Whoever at the club was a bit like a kid in the sweet shop when dealing with transfers.

As they would say - they are all learning, on the job. Mistakes have undoubtably been made, pretty much since they arrived on all levels including many of the sensitivities of the locals, which hasn’t helped them one bit.

Refusing to change to accommodate for the team’s frailties, when they are so blindingly obvious is simply applying hope over experience. January is one of the most important windows for many years, and frankly I think they need to hope for a few miracles falling their way.

[Nori1958]

I see your earlier post has been removed ,however you just don’t get the point do you ? The OP posted a valid comment it doesn’t really matter if he’s 7 or 70,you decided that it was a childish post so had to make a personal comment and after Tony’s remarks the other week about nastiness on this board and the unfortunate situation with Lyle Foster you really should be apologising to the OP,or just stop posting.

No post of mine has been removed, so don't make things up. Goodnight.

[Neil]

I think, as usual the truth lies somewhere in the middle of this tribal warfare.

The board underestimated the Premier League, flushed with their success in the Championship.
Whoever at the club was a bit like a kid in the sweet shop when dealing with transfers.

As they would say - they are all learning, on the job. Mistakes have undoubtably been made, pretty much since they arrived on all levels including many of the sensitivities of the locals, which hasn’t helped them one bit.

Refusing to change to accommodate for the team’s frailties, when they are so blindingly obvious is simply applying hope over experience. January is one of the most important windows for many years, and frankly I think they need to hope for a few miracles falling their way.

Fair and reasonable comments (though I don't think the upcoming window will be much help)

Everyone is frustrated and we all express it in different ways.

I always think of football like family - I can slag them off all I want but I'll defend them to the hilt if anyone else dares to.

[DingleDangle]

Shame we are not playing in that league isn’t it.

Completely irrelevant last season now

It's totally relevant. It's part of the rich history of Burnley FC. The same club we're all supposed to be supporting through thick and thin.

Is the op's mention of his favourite 70s team irrelevant?

[elwaclaret]

Fair and reasonable comments (though I don't think the upcoming window will be much help)

Everyone is frustrated and we all express it in different ways.

I always think of football like family - I can slag them off all I want but I'll defend them to the hilt if anyone else dares to.

In all honesty I think two or three leaders, obviously easier said than done will buck this lot into shape faster than a year on the training pitch, even if VK is the best in the business. They need leaders, the talent is there.

[Jakubclaret]

It's totally relevant. It's part of the rich history of Burnley FC. The same club we're all supposed to be supporting through thick and thin.

Is the op's mention of his favourite 70s team irrelevant?

It's irrelevant because it hasn't been followed onto something productive (assuming relegation) the whole idea of taking 1 step forward is to take another step forward not a step back, assuming relegation again of course we are no better off than before for all intent & purposes apart from some promising kids on a balance sheet who may or may not become shining stars.

[KRBFC]

Shame we are not playing in that league isn’t it.

Completely irrelevant last season now

Irrelevant to who? Not to me, not to real Burnley fans, I often rewatch vlogs of games from last season. The double over basturds, winning the title at Ewood, other fans mind blown at how good we were. Opposition fans travelling to Turf Moor with absolutely zero hope.

For that season, Kompany has credit in the bank to try and turn it around.

You don’t just pot a manager after success when he hits a tricky spell. If we did that, we’d have been through 5 managers a season, especially at this level.

It’s unbelievable how you wanted him gone after 5 games in the PL, from hero to nothing in 5 games? Just ridiculous and shows you struggle with the reality of being a BFC fan.

[CoolClaret]

Irrelevant to who? Not to me, not to real Burnley fans, I often rewatch vlogs of games from last season. The double over basturds,

How many of that team that beat Blackburn 3-0 started against Everton?

It's a different team, one that's done **** all bar look hard done to and drop their heads after conceding.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Irrelevant to who? Not to me, not to real Burnley fans, I often rewatch vlogs of games from last season. The double over basturds, winning the title at Ewood, other fans mind blown at how good we were. Opposition fans travelling to Turf Moor with absolutely zero hope.

For that season, Kompany has credit in the bank to try and turn it around.

You don’t just pot a manager after success when he hits a tricky spell. If we did that, we’d have been through 5 managers a season, especially at this level.

It’s unbelievable how you wanted him gone after 5 games in the PL, from hero to nothing in 5 games? Just ridiculous and shows you struggle with the reality of being a BFC fan.

It’s completely irrelevant. We are not playing in the championship.

We should be judging this team on how we are performing this season.

I could understand your argument if we were a couple of games in. But we are absolutely shite, literally shockingly bad at this level.

If we have any intention of staying in this league then we have to make a drastic change. VK should be judged on his appalling performance this season

[DingleDangle]

See Nori your havin your usual sly digs ,suggesting the posters 10 yrs old ,telling other poster to take their own advice ,why can’t he just discuss the OP on merit rather than having snide little remarks ?

No more than the OPs sly dig and snide remark at the club's (and owner's) 'Mission To Burnley' Sky TV series.

Let's face it, he didn't have to create this thread with this title did he? Surely he must have known he'd leave himself wide open to alternative viewpoints.

He could have just added it to the many other negative threads that litter this board.

[DingleDangle]

It's irrelevant because it hasn't been followed onto something productive (assuming relegation) the whole idea of taking 1 step forward is to take another step forward not a step back, assuming relegation again of course we are no better off than before for all intent & purposes apart from some promising kids on a balance sheet who may or may not become shining stars.

Damn, I weren't meant to 'like' the post ha ha.

Does every season have to follow on in the same manner to make it relevant? How often does that happen in football? Is the Orient game irrelevant?
Was winning the Division 1 trophy in 1921 and 1960 irrelevant? They all follow good and bad periods through the club's seasons to the current one. Each one is very relevant to the club's journey over the years.

They are still talked about by the fans, just as much as much as the period in the early/mid 80s, the Cotterill years, the Dych years etc.

So yes, totally relevant.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Damn, I weren't meant to 'like' the post ha ha.

Does every season have to follow on in the same manner to make it relevant? How often does that happen in football? Is the Orient game irrelevant?
Was winning the Division 1 trophy in 1921 and 1960 irrelevant? They all follow good and bad periods through the club's seasons to the current one. Each one is very relevant to the club's journey over the years.

They are still talked about by the fans, just as much as much as the period in the early/mid 80s, the Cotterill years, the Dych years etc.

So yes, totally relevant.

Relevant for fan discussions but completely irrelevant in reviewing the performance of the club/players etc….

Cooper wouldn’t have just been sacked if last season counted either would Heckingbottom at Sheffield. But unfortunately managers only get based on the current, not the past.

[Westleigh]

No more than the OPs sly dig and snide remark at the club's (and owner's) 'Mission To Burnley' Sky TV series.

Let's face it, he didn't have to create this thread with this title did he? Surely he must have known he'd leave himself wide open to alternative viewpoints.

He could have just added it to the many other negative threads that litter this board.

When we’re on a losing streak surely most of the posts are from people who are frustrated and disappointed ,they aren’t necessarily negative it’s how they feel at the moment,I’m not getting into another chuffing argument but after a loss if everyone came on and said ‘ Oh dear never mind the lads did their best ,let’s move on to next week ‘ this board would grind to a halt.

[Rileybobs]

But unfortunately managers only get based on the current, not the past.

That literally doesn’t make any sense.

[Newcastleclaret93]

That literally doesn’t make any sense.

Managers performances are based on the current season and not past seasons.

[Rileybobs]

Managers performances are based on the current season and not past seasons.

That literally doesn’t make any sense.

[Newcastleclaret93]

That literally doesn’t make any sense.

[Westleigh]

That literally doesn’t make any sense.

Your only as good as your last game.

[DingleDangle]

Relevant for fan discussions but completely irrelevant in reviewing the performance of the club/players etc….

Cooper wouldn’t have just been sacked if last season counted either would Heckingbottom at Sheffield. But unfortunately managers only get based on the current, not the past.

And that's the problem. Owners too happy to pull the trigger when the going gets a little tough. But (mostly, if at all) they're not fans of the club they own and in the main, possibly don't buy in to the club's history.

To a fan of the club, each season should be relevant, whether good or bad. It's the club you were born to support, again, through thick and thin. It's all part of the rich history of the club.

I'm not sure that everyone is happy the way things are going this season, but it seems like there's a divide between those that want to 'pot' VK and those that don't.

As a fan, I'm very much in the keep VK camp, because I think he has a lot to learn managing a club in the Premier League, partly also based on last season too. I think (and hope) that given time, he will be very good for this club imo.

[Rileybobs]

On the Steve Cooper thread you’re currently claiming that he’s an ‘excellent manager’ based on what he achieved with Forest last season. The problem with posting attention-seeking hyperbole is that you end up contradicting yourself and tying yourself in knots.

[Rileybobs]

Your only as good as your last game.

That literally doesn’t make any sense.

[Newcastleclaret93]

And that's the problem. Owners too happy to pull the trigger when the going gets a little tough. But (mostly, if at all) they're not fans of the club they own and in the main, possibly don't buy in to the club's history.

To a fan of the club, each season should be relevant, whether good or bad. It's the club you were born to support, again, through thick and thin. It's all part of the rich history of the club.

I'm not sure that everyone is happy the way things are going this season, but it seems like there's a divide between those that want to 'pot' VK and those that don't.

As a fan, I'm very much in the keep VK camp, because I think he has a lot to learn managing a club in the Premier League, partly also based on last season too. I think (and hope) that given time, he will be very good for this club imo.

I respect that view point but I am very much in the camp of the club should do absolutely anything to ensure we are playing premier league football next season. VK has been given a chance, I think it’s time for someone else to come in.

Cooper makes a lot of sense

[Newcastleclaret93]

On the Steve Cooper thread you’re currently claiming that he’s an ‘excellent manager’ based on what he achieved with Forest last season. The problem with posting attention-seeking hyperbole is that you end up contradicting yourself and tying yourself in knots.

He’s an excellent manager based on this season also.

He’s got a poor squad into a position where they would stay up. Unfortunately it appears that isn’t enough for there owners.

[DingleDangle]

When we’re on a losing streak surely most of the posts are from people who are frustrated and disappointed ,they aren’t necessarily negative it’s how they feel at the moment,I’m not getting into another chuffing argument but after a loss if everyone came on and said ‘ Oh dear never mind the lads did their best ,let’s move on to next week ‘ this board would grind to a halt.

So does it really need another poster, creating another thread to 'air' his feelings, when their are countless other threads doing the same on this board? No, not really.

Let's face it, the title of it was a sly dig at 'Mission To Burnley'. Did he not think he'd be open to ridicule creating a post with a title like that, to create a vehicle for his little tantrum?

Honestly!

[Rileybobs]

He’s an excellent manager based on this season also.

He’s got a poor squad into a position where they would stay up. Unfortunately it appears that isn’t enough for there owners.

See above re tying yourself in knots.

[Newcastleclaret93]

See above re tying yourself in knots.

Just not sure your understanding Riley. Think that’s the main problem

[Rileybobs]

Just not sure your understanding Riley. Think that’s the main problem

Well obviously I’m not understanding, but that’s because what you’re saying makes absolutely no sense.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well obviously I’m not understanding, but that’s because what you’re saying makes absolutely no sense.

How is it complicated?

I am saying managers performances should be based on there current seasons.

You have tried to turn this view into some wierd argument about Cooper.

I am saying the same thing, they have obviously sacked him based on his performance this season, otherwise he would not have been sacked. As he has performed miracles for Forrest over the last two seasons.

I am also saying we should hire him because I think based on this season he’s a better manager than VK.

Does that provide clarity?

[DingleDangle]

I respect that view point but I am very much in the camp of the club should do absolutely anything to ensure we are playing premier league football next season. VK has been given a chance, I think it’s time for someone else to come in.

Cooper makes a lot of sense

Well, I'm glad you're not the owner if you give up that easily. You'd probably turn us into another 'Watford' with a new manager every half a season the way you're going.

[Westleigh]

So does it really need another poster, creating another thread to 'air' his feelings, when their are countless other threads doing the same on this board? No, not really.

Let's face it, the title of it was a sly dig at 'Mission To Burnley'. Did he not think he'd be open to ridicule creating a post with a title like that, to create a vehicle for his little tantrum?

Honestly!

Really can’t understand some of you that slag the poster off ,he’s letting off steam,he’s been a Burnley fan since the 1950’s ,why would you say he’s having a little tantrum ,I reckon he’s paid he’s dues he should be able to criticise and compare this team to teams some of you have never been able to watch ,give the guy a break.

[Rileybobs]

How is it complicated?

I am saying managers performances should be based on there current seasons.

You have tried to turn this view into some wierd argument about Cooper.

I am saying the same thing, they have obviously sacked him based on his performance this season, otherwise he would not have been sacked. As he has performed miracles for Forrest over the last two seasons.

I am also saying we should hire him because I think based on this season he’s a better manager than VK.

Does that provide clarity?

But I thought he was an excellent manager based on what he’s done this season? So why have Forest sacked him?

You’re getting quite tangled up now.

Why hasn’t Pace sacked Kompany?

Obviously what a manager has achieved in the past is relevant when considering their ability to do a job. Will Steve Cooper go to his next interview with a CV of his past achievements or with a note of what he had for breakfast that particular day?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well, I'm glad you're not the owner if you give up that easily. You'd probably turn us into another 'Watford' with a new manager every half a season the way you're going.

I appreciate that point, but this isn’t like we are really pushing to stay up and there’s a good chance we could get a little run together. There’s no indication at all that could happen.

Il ask you a question and please try be impartial. But if our manager was currently Brian Laws, would you stick with him? (I mention his name because if we lose at the weekend Laws will actually have a better premier league record than VK).

[Newcastleclaret93]

But I thought he was an excellent manager based on what he’s done this season? So why have Forest sacked him?

You’re getting quite tangled up now.

Why hasn’t Pace sacked Kompany?

Obviously what a manager has achieved in the past is relevant when considering their ability to do a job. Will Steve Cooper go to his next interview with a CV of his past achievements or with a note of what he had for breakfast that particular day?

Not tangled at all haha. You just simply don’t understand.


Pace should have sacked Kompany.

Cooper has been sacked because he hasn’t performed as well as the owner would like.

[Rileybobs]

Not tangled at all haha. You just simply don’t understand.


Pace should have sacked Kompany.

Cooper has been sacked because he hasn’t performed as well as the owner would like.

I know I don’t understand, I’ve already admitted as much.

Do you honestly believe that how a manager has performed in previous seasons is totally disregarded by owners/chairmen of football clubs? Simple question, don’t get more tangled up, just give me your honest answer.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I know I don’t understand, I’ve already admitted as much.

Do you honestly believe that how a manager has performed in previous seasons is totally disregarded by owners/chairmen of football clubs? Simple question, don’t get more tangled up, just give me your honest answer.

100%

Why would any manager that performed well last year get sacked this season if that wasn’t the case?

[Westleigh]

I think the only slight advantage that Cooper has over VK is that he’s not brand new to the Prem.

[Rileybobs]

100%

Why would any manager that performed well last year get sacked this season if that wasn’t the case?

Sacking a manager who performed well the previous season doesn’t suggest that what they achieved previously has been totally disregarded.

How can you honestly believe that the wider context of what a manager has achieved previously isn’t taken into account when owners are making decisions to hire or fire? Btw, I don’t actually think you do believe this, you’ve just tripped yourself up by making hyperbolic claims.

[Rileybobs]

I think the only slight advantage that Cooper has over VK is that he’s not brand new to the Prem.

So his previous experience in this division is relevant now?

Is this a Two Ronnies Christmas Special?

[DingleDangle]

Really can’t understand some of you that slag the poster off ,he’s letting off steam,he’s been a Burnley fan since the 1950’s ,why would you say he’s having a little tantrum ,I reckon he’s paid he’s dues he should be able to criticise and compare this team to teams some of you have never been able to watch ,give the guy a break.

Where am I slagging him off?

He's very much entitled to his opinion. However, there are countless other 'like minded' posts on this board he could have added his comments to, without creating a new thread to say the same thing again and that has a title taking a sly dig at the owner's 'Mission To Burnley' Sky TV series.

Did he not think there would be others posting that would disagree with him?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Sacking a manager who performed well the previous season doesn’t suggest that what they achieved previously has been totally disregarded.

How can you honestly believe that the wider context of what a manager has achieved previously isn’t taken into account when owners are making decisions to hire or fire? Btw, I don’t actually think you do believe this, you’ve just tripped yourself up by making hyperbolic claims.

No I do believe it.

I don’t get your logic. Dyche wouldn’t have been sacked would he if they took into account previous seasons (even at the lower level where he has an unbelievable record).

I think owners forget (especially nowadays) completely forget about the past and are always looking at what’s the best for the club now. If a manager is underperforming they get rid simple as that.

[Westleigh]

So his previous experience in this division is relevant now?

Is this a Two Ronnies Christmas Special?

Sorry did I miss something there ,did I not say that having previous Prem League experience was helpful?

[Rileybobs]

Sorry did I miss something there ,did I not say that having previous Prem League experience was helpful?

You replied to a post I made to Newcastleclaret by saying you’re only as good as your last game, which read like you were in agreement with his point.

[Rileybobs]

No I do believe it.

I don’t get your logic. Dyche wouldn’t have been sacked would he if they took into account previous seasons (even at the lower level where he has an unbelievable record).

I think owners forget (especially nowadays) completely forget about the past and are always looking at what’s the best for the club now. If a manager is underperforming they get rid simple as that.

But equally Dyche wouldn’t have been hired by Everton.

When hiring and firing managers, owners will consider how said manager has performed over a period of time, not just how they are performing at that exact moment. It’s totally mindless to suggest otherwise.