January transfer window rumours.

[bumba]

The level is is a massive jump, Robertson managed to make the step up at left back.

Been at Brighton which usually means he’s a talent

Looks good on highlights but it is the SPL, he's only young though and looks like he can play I imagine he'd be Taylor's backup this season giving him time to adapt ready for a season in the championship to develop steadily

[StayingDown4Ever]

How does someone’s age determine how mature they are

That’s usually how it works. Granted not in all cases (e.g. Bellingham and Lingard).

[123EasyasBFC]

That’s usually how it works. Granted not in all cases (e.g. Bellingham and Lingard).

It’s not usually how it works at all, there could be so many examples of people/players in their 30s acting less mature than someone in their early 20s

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yeah let's write him off before we even sign him!

How is that writing him off? I said he looks good but it’s a massive step up?

That is a fact it is a massive step up

[Taffy on the wing]

I spent a lot of time socialising in the Toon during my youth and that was perhaps one of the reasons... You got laid whether you wanted to or not.

Once they get you in a headlock with those big hairy forearms ..all hope is lost.

[spt_claret]

Another link. A winger

Why.
Seriously why.
Benson was so vital to our success last season and just isn't given a chance.
Zaroury's been written off due to 1 bad game but others have stunk up the wings repeatedly and been given chances.
And now we're allegedly looking at loaning, presumably with some obligation on minutes, another, unproven, young winger, again on the left side which is already overcrowded.
Unless he's absolute magic I think this signing would weaken us for the simple reason that I think it pushes our best goal threat from wide or the bench in Benson further out of the door, and likely pushes our top chance creator Gudmundsson down the pecking order (even if I'd play him CM).
It's one thing to take the chance to sign a top player when it comes regardless of bigger priorities- say for some bizarre reason Saka or Martinelli (exaggerations I know) wanted to sign as our new winger of course you take em even if we're more in need of a LB, CDM, RB and possibly a backup striker. It's another to sign yet another young LW with potential.
Just don't understand this one if true. Really feels like negotiating effort & time that could have been better spent elsewhere. Same with yet another young CB honestly- sure he's big, has potential (that wonderful elusive word), and has played a decent amount at a decent level for his age, but if we're signing another CB because of concerns over fitness/quality, it has to be a big man with experience. The entire defence is so low on experience, Taylor is by far the most experienced and isn't a defensive marshall, if ever there was a time for a 6 month stopgap for a more seasoned head, with the possibility of more if he does well, it's now.
I'm sure I'll get the usual suspects insulting me calling me a perpetual moaner and negative (I have been very negative the past 6 months yes, with good reason, I was negative during Dyches last season too, but otherwise Ive been pretty positive), but we really do seem overly fixated on such a specific mould of player. Under 24 (ideally under 21), ideally a left winger or failing that a centre back.

[bumba]

Esteve can't be close, he's playing at the moment for Montpellier

[123EasyasBFC]

Yes it’s only YouTube but Alex Cochrane looks like a left back who really likes to get up and down, get stuck in but also looks like he’s comfortable inverting to, if you could get him for 2 or 3m and have him be a squad player for the rest of the season he might improve into a great player.

He’s also already used to playing in claret

[Vegas Claret]

How is that writing him off? I said he looks good but it’s a massive step up?

That is a fact it is a massive step up

I'm not saying you are wrong and I suspect the gap has got bigger, but people do forget we only just snuck by Aberdeen ! So were we just utterly crap or were they not as bad as people make out......

[bumba]

I'm not saying you are wrong and I suspect the gap has got bigger, but people do forget we only just snuck by Aberdeen ! So were we just utterly crap or were they not as bad as people make out......

Aberdeen wouldn't even get promoted from the championship. It can't be both ways that the gap between the championship and premier league is that big we can't survive but at the same time say the gap between the SPL and premier league maybe not that big.
It's league 1 to premier league size gap.
Celtic and Rangers would push for championship play offs but that's it

[distortiondave]

I'm not saying you are wrong and I suspect the gap has got bigger, but people do forget we only just snuck by Aberdeen ! So were we just utterly crap or were they not as bad as people make out......

Whilst you're quite correct, that Burnley team would have finished a magnitude of points higher than Aberdeen had they played the rest of the season in the same division. A one-off two legged tie (a two-off?) pre-season competitive game isn't the barometer to use.

[BigGaz]

Without sounding like Charlie big potatoes, because at very few points in our history have we had the quality that has positioned us as runaway favourites, I think it's fair to say that other than Celtic the SPL really is that bad.

You often see teams play well above their level and play to the occasion which I think is what happened with Aberdeen. Its why there's so many giant killings and upsets in the cups. If you look at their team when we played them it was just full of lads that had dossed around in L2/L3, a sprinkle that were lower level champ at best.

The occasion, a bit of complacency from the favourite, the crowd all plays a part in one off affairs like that.

[IanMcL]

How does someone’s age determine how mature they are

Experience

[123EasyasBFC]

Experience

Experience doesn’t make you mature

[IanMcL]

Experience doesn’t make you mature

Youth alo gside youth doesn't learn properly either.

[Steddyman]

Esteve can't be close, he's playing at the moment for Montpellier

He isn't coming.

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[123EasyasBFC]

Youth alo gside youth doesn't learn properly either.

I understand that but that has nothing to do with maturity, people/players only mature when they want to regardless of age, like someone said look at lingard, you could even say look at Barton at the minute on social media

[123EasyasBFC]

He isn't coming.
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Another bit of duff information regards links from Romano

[IanMcL]

I understand that but that has nothing to do with maturity, people/players only mature when they want to regardless of age, like someone said look at lingard, you could even say look at Barton at the minute on social media

In our predicament, we need know how.

[bumba]

He isn't coming.
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Good I'd rather we signed more important positions to be honest

[Vegas Claret]

Whilst you're quite correct, that Burnley team would have finished a magnitude of points higher than Aberdeen had they played the rest of the season in the same division. A one-off two legged tie (a two-off?) pre-season competitive game isn't the barometer to use.

ok, Rangers got to a European final 2 seasons ago

[Swizzlestick]

Another bit of duff information regards links from Romano

How was it duff information? He said we were working on a deal to sign him, which we may well have been doing.

[Vegas Claret]

Another bit of duff information regards links from Romano

Have you ever walked in to a shop with the intention of buying something and changed your mind ? pretty sure you have. Nothing is done until it's done

[Lord_Bob]

From The Mail so may want to take it with a grain of salt:

"Coventry City's English attacking midfielder Callum O'Hare, 25, is out of contract in the summer and being monitored by Southampton, Burnley and Leicester City."

[Nori1958]

Another bit of duff information regards links from Romano

Not really, we could have been/are trying to do a deal

Munich were trying to do a deal for trippier, Newcastle didn't want to sell, it happens all the time

[mkmel]

From The Mail so may want to take it with a grain of salt:

"Coventry City's English attacking midfielder Callum O'Hare, 25, is out of contract in the summer and being monitored by Southampton, Burnley and Leicester City."

With the Mail it's normally only politics where they talk a load of boll*@ks.

[Kilson810]

According to the Athletic. The horse fiddler's have turned down an offer of £18.5m for Adam Wharton from Crystal Palace.

Seems a massive amount of money to turn down for the new Phil Jones.

[TheFamilyCat]

Why.
Seriously why.
Benson was so vital to our success last season and just isn't given a chance.
Zaroury's been written off due to 1 bad game but others have stunk up the wings repeatedly and been given chances.
And now we're allegedly looking at loaning, presumably with some obligation on minutes, another, unproven, young winger, again on the left side which is already overcrowded.
Unless he's absolute magic I think this signing would weaken us for the simple reason that I think it pushes our best goal threat from wide or the bench in Benson further out of the door, and likely pushes our top chance creator Gudmundsson down the pecking order (even if I'd play him CM).
It's one thing to take the chance to sign a top player when it comes regardless of bigger priorities- say for some bizarre reason Saka or Martinelli (exaggerations I know) wanted to sign as our new winger of course you take em even if we're more in need of a LB, CDM, RB and possibly a backup striker. It's another to sign yet another young LW with potential.
Just don't understand this one if true. Really feels like negotiating effort & time that could have been better spent elsewhere. Same with yet another young CB honestly- sure he's big, has potential (that wonderful elusive word), and has played a decent amount at a decent level for his age, but if we're signing another CB because of concerns over fitness/quality, it has to be a big man with experience. The entire defence is so low on experience, Taylor is by far the most experienced and isn't a defensive marshall, if ever there was a time for a 6 month stopgap for a more seasoned head, with the possibility of more if he does well, it's now.
I'm sure I'll get the usual suspects insulting me calling me a perpetual moaner and negative (I have been very negative the past 6 months yes, with good reason, I was negative during Dyches last season too, but otherwise Ive been pretty positive), but we really do seem overly fixated on such a specific mould of player. Under 24 (ideally under 21), ideally a left winger or failing that a centre back.

Just a thought. Maybe consider that there may be no substance in rumours before wading into the keyboard.

[123EasyasBFC]

According to the Athletic. The horse fiddler's have turned down an offer of £18.5m for Adam Wharton from Crystal Palace.

Seems a massive amount of money to turn down for the new Phil Jones.

Rovers can’t be in as much financial trouble as people are making out if they can afford to turn down that kind of money

[TopCat]

Rovers can’t be in as much financial trouble as people are making out if they can afford to turn down that kind of money

Probably pushing for a higher bid by not accepting the first one. He will go.

[123EasyasBFC]

Probably pushing for a higher bid by not accepting the first one. He will go.

They 100% are pushing for a higher fee but if they were that much trouble they wouldn’t risk losing out on 18.5m

[spt_claret]

Just a thought. Maybe consider that there may be no substance in rumours before wading into the keyboard.

Thought we were here to discuss transfer rumours but alright then I guess we can all **** off.

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s very strange that there are only championship clubs linked with benson on loan, clubs in Europe have no money to but a single name of a club in Europe interested in him

[alwaysaclaret]

Anyone know if Lawrence Vigeroux has actually gone on loan, or is he still at the club, has anything been announced since the rumours

[South West Claret.]

Nope but it would be interesting to know.

[whiffa]

How is that writing him off? I said he looks good but it’s a massive step up?

That is a fact it is a massive step up

Sorry, I misinterpreted as you criticizing his ability to make the step up. My bad.

[Jakubs Tash]

Re: Cochrane, I notice he was taken off at half time when 2-0 down at home to Dundee on Tuesday....before Hearts turned it around and won 3-2.

[Vegas Claret]

Maybe next May he might get on it again. Been a bit quiet of late though hasn’t he…

like I said.......only quiet if you aren't paying attention

[123EasyasBFC]

like I said.......only quiet if you aren't paying attention

That doesn’t suit the narrative that ‘JJ Watt has been very quiet recently’

[CoolClaret]

like I said.......only quiet if you aren't paying attention

It's one thing that JJ cannot be accused of tbh.

He's doing a splendid job - love him referencing Jimmy Mc..

We should definitely do more to market our history and awareness of some of our club legends!

[elwaclaret]

It's one thing that JJ cannot be accused of tbh.

He's doing a splendid job - love him referencing Jimmy Mc..

We should definitely do more to market our history and awareness of some of our club legends!

Putting up murals to past greats perhaps

[StayingDown4Ever]

like I said.......only quiet if you aren't paying attention

Somebody probably alerted him it had been noticed he’d been quiet.

[randomclaret2]

Somebody probably alerted him it had been noticed he’d been quiet.

[Stayingup]

Unbelievable selling Benson. Haven't read through this thread but surely others must think the same. Bringing him on with half an hour to go in a match could change the match in our favour. Baffling.

[Vegas Claret]

Unbelievable selling Benson. Haven't read through this thread but surely others must think the same. Bringing him on with half an hour to go in a match could change the match in our favour. Baffling.

I've only seen links to loans with no buy option.

[Pickles]

Surely I'm not the only one who can understand Benson leaving?

His game is based on bursts and blasts of magic (for which he'll deservedly go down in Burnley folklore) but he cannot be relied on to start and finish games consistently in the league below, never mind the one we're in currently.

His physicality and his work off the ball (like it or lump it, it's a huge feature for all teams) means he's much more suited to a league with a slower pace, and a team which can afford to carry him. Burnley can't. Neither can Leeds. But if they want to stump up the cash then we absolutely should take it.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Surely I'm not the only one who can understand Benson leaving?

His game is based on bursts and blasts of magic (for which he'll deservedly go down in Burnley folklore) but he cannot be relied on to start and finish games consistently in the league below, never mind the one we're in currently.

His physicality and his work off the ball (like it or lump it, it's a huge feature for all teams) means he's much more suited to a league with a slower pace, and a team which can afford to carry him. Burnley can't. Neither can Leeds. But if they want to stump up the cash then we absolutely should take it.

We’ll miss him in the Championship next season if he goes.

[Pickles]

We’ll miss him in the Championship next season if he goes.

That's a whole lot of assuming.

Maybe he doesn't want to play in the Championship? From his perspective, he's been there and done it. Maybe he doesn't want to play for Burnley full stop?

And yes, obviously any move to Leeds (or Southampton?) this month would mean playing in the Championship. But, again from his perspective, it'd be only until the Spring where he'll either sign for a Premier League team or go abroad.

Not many players, rightly in my opinion, want to stick around at a club they've already been promoted and then relegated with.

And regardless, selling players like Benson for a profit is basically everything the club is set up to do. Would be daft not to.

[StayingDown4Ever]

That's a whole lot of assuming.

Maybe he doesn't want to play in the Championship? From his perspective, he's been there and done it. Maybe he doesn't want to play for Burnley full stop?

And yes, obviously any move to Leeds (or Southampton?) this month would mean playing in the Championship. But, again from his perspective, it'd be only until the Spring where he'll either sign for a Premier League team or go abroad.

Not many players, rightly in my opinion, want to stick around at a club they've already been promoted and then relegated with.

And regardless, selling players like Benson for a profit is basically everything the club is set up to do. Would be daft not to.

We know he can do it in the Championship. After this humiliating season that’s where we’re heading.

If Vincent doesn’t think he’s cut out for the Prem then fair enough - sell him next summer if we go straight back up. He’s on a 5 year deal or something now isn’t he?

[RVclaret]

Surely I'm not the only one who can understand Benson leaving?

His game is based on bursts and blasts of magic (for which he'll deservedly go down in Burnley folklore) but he cannot be relied on to start and finish games consistently in the league below, never mind the one we're in currently.

His physicality and his work off the ball (like it or lump it, it's a huge feature for all teams) means he's much more suited to a league with a slower pace, and a team which can afford to carry him. Burnley can't. Neither can Leeds. But if they want to stump up the cash then we absolutely should take it.

Not the only one don’t worry. It’s pretty obvious really.