January transfer window rumours.

[BurnleyFC]

It’s not so much the selling of Benson that’s baffling, it’s the complete lack of game time and the keeping of players that aren’t as good as him that’s baffling.

[RVclaret]

It’s not so much the selling of Benson that’s baffling, it’s the complete lack of game time and the keeping of players that aren’t as good as him that’s baffling.

He’s been injured. Gets injured and kops out of training continuously. And with respect, you don’t know who is and who isn’t as good as him at this level, as he hasn’t played! In fact, given others have been ahead of him, when he is fit, suggests others are better at this level.

[Quickenthetempo]

He’s been injured. Gets injured and kops out of training continuously. And with respect, you don’t know who is and who isn’t as good as him at this level, as he hasn’t played! In fact, given others have been ahead of him, when he is fit, suggests others are better at this level.

Other sources have confirmed he hasn't been injured for months.
He should have come on with 20 left against Luton.

Sadly Vinny isn't learning.

[Big Vinny K]

He’s been injured. Gets injured and kops out of training continuously. And with respect, you don’t know who is and who isn’t as good as him at this level, as he hasn’t played! In fact, given others have been ahead of him, when he is fit, suggests others are better at this level.

Ineffective when coming on after 82 minutes against Everton and now “kops out of training continuously”

You really don’t like him do you ?!!!

[Blatherwickstattoo]

If you can ping a ball into the top corner from nothing you can do it any level. He’s not had a chance to prove himself at this level so far injured or not.

[NewClaret]

Other sources have confirmed he hasn't been injured for months.
He should have come on with 20 left against Luton.

Sadly Vinny isn't learning.

As much as I love Benson and would like him to stay, I absolutely don’t think we should’ve brought on one of our smallest players against Luton at 1-0 up with 20 to go.

[Blatherwickstattoo]

As much as I love Benson and would like him to stay, I absolutely don’t think we should’ve brought on one of our smallest players against Luton at 1-0 up with 20 to go.

The players we brought on that game were absolutely shocking and offered nothing.

[BurnleyFC]

He’s been injured. Gets injured and kops out of training continuously. And with respect, you don’t know who is and who isn’t as good as him at this level, as he hasn’t played! In fact, given others have been ahead of him, when he is fit, suggests others are better at this level.

My opinion - he’s a better option than Bruun Larsen on the right, and a better option than Tresor full stop.

[Westleigh]

As much as I love Benson and would like him to stay, I absolutely don’t think we should’ve brought on one of our smallest players against Luton at 1-0 up with 20 to go.

He might have done better than powder puff Tresor.

[Big Vinny K]

As much as I love Benson and would like him to stay, I absolutely don’t think we should’ve brought on one of our smallest players against Luton at 1-0 up with 20 to go.

Well we brought Tresor on and I’m not sure you can get much more lightweight or powder puff than him.
Benson is like Billy Whitehurst compared to Tresor !

[RVclaret]

Other sources have confirmed he hasn't been injured for months.
He should have come on with 20 left against Luton.

Sadly Vinny isn't learning.

I’m not sure why you would bring on probably the most lightweight player in the Premier League, reduce the height of the team defending set pieces, of which they were having plenty, against one of the most physical teams in the league when trying to defend a lead?

[RVclaret]

My opinion - he’s a better option than Bruun Larsen on the right, and a better option than Tresor full stop.

Fair enough. I disagree with both.

[Pickles]

and the keeping of players that aren’t as good as him that’s baffling.

On which basis are they not as good as him? All opinions are based on Benson playing in the best team in the Championship against players playing in one of the poorest sides in the Premier League.

And yet as poor as those wingers (and the team as a whole) have been, it's pretty likely our wingers this season would all be decent in the Championship.

[Big Vinny K]

I’m not sure why you would bring on probably the most lightweight player in the Premier League, reduce the height of the team defending set pieces, of which they were having plenty, against one of the most physical teams in the league when trying to defend a lead?

Probably the most lightweight player in the Premier League ??!!!

Have a word with yourself - what an embarrassing comment

[BurnleyFC]

Fair enough. I disagree with both.

He was our best player when we played Man United and Bournemouth last season, albeit they were cup games.

I’m flummoxed as to what people might have seen from Tresor especially to suggest he might be a better player than Benson.

[Westleigh]

From The Mail so may want to take it with a grain of salt:

"Coventry City's English attacking midfielder Callum O'Hare, 25, is out of contract in the summer and being monitored by Southampton, Burnley and Leicester City."

Another Cullen clone,apart from the defence and Berge ,do we ever look for someone over 5’ 10’,do our scouting system only look for Trevor Meredith type players?

[RVclaret]

He was our best player when we played Man United and Bournemouth last season, albeit they were cup games.

I’m flummoxed as to what people might have seen from Tresor especially to suggest he might be a better player than Benson.

Tresor got more goals and assists in the JPL last season than Benson managed in 7 full seasons.

[BurnleyFC]

Tresor got more goals and assists in the JPL last season than Benson managed in 7 full seasons.

I don’t care what he did for another team. He’s had half a season of appallingness for us.

[Big Vinny K]

Tresor got more goals and assists in the JPL last season than Benson managed in 7 full seasons.

Yep fantastic - you think those kind of statistics would have led to at least one assist, goal….or even one tackle might be nice given he cost 7 or 8 times more than Benson.

[ksrclaret]

Ineffective when coming on after 82 minutes against Everton and now “kops out of training continuously”

You really don’t like him do you ?!!!

Incredible comment re the training.

[RVclaret]

Yep fantastic - you think those kind of statistics would have led to at least one assist, goal….or even one tackle might be nice given he cost 7 or 8 times more than Benson.

He cost less than 5 times more than Benson. Granted he’s not lived up to his price tag yet, albeit that’s more on Kompany and the club for paying that amount, rather than the player.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Tresor got more goals and assists in the JPL last season than Benson managed in 7 full seasons.

Tbf it’s about adapting to the English leagues.

Benson has, Tresor hasn’t.

Simple as that really

[boyyanno]

He’s been injured. Gets injured and kops out of training continuously. And with respect, you don’t know who is and who isn’t as good as him at this level, as he hasn’t played! In fact, given others have been ahead of him, when he is fit, suggests others are better at this level.

That's an embarrassing comment. Why would you speak about one of our players like this? You've been training with him have you?

Tell us all about him kopping out of training please.

[Quickenthetempo]

As much as I love Benson and would like him to stay, I absolutely don’t think we should’ve brought on one of our smallest players against Luton at 1-0 up with 20 to go.

Football is all about opinions. You might like hanging on to 1 nil leads. I prefer to score a second and kill it off.

[RVclaret]

That's an embarrassing comment. Why would you speak about one of our players like this? You've been training with him have you?

Tell us all about him kopping out of training please.

Why does this word embarrassing keep floating around. Does it make you feel good about yourself or something lol. You can choose whether or not to believe it.

[Pickles]

I don’t care what he did for another team.

Surely using that logic you can't use Benson's goals last season in your argument then. Different division and pretty much a different team other than name, kit and ground.

[Owdsyker]

Another Cullen clone,apart from the defence and Berge ,do we ever look for someone over 5’ 10’,do our scouting system only look for Trevor Meredith type players?

Cullen clone? He's scored more goals from midfield this season than Cullen has in his career.

[Quickenthetempo]

I’m not sure why you would bring on probably the most lightweight player in the Premier League, reduce the height of the team defending set pieces, of which they were having plenty, against one of the most physical teams in the league when trying to defend a lead?

Come on RV, as a lover of stats you would realise how many times Benson has saved Vinny's backside off the bench.
He must be our most impactful sub for the last 50 years?

[boyyanno]

Why does this word embarrassing keep floating around. Does it make you feel good about yourself or something lol. You can choose whether or not to believe it.

I'll choose not to believe your "impartial" and made up stuff thanks.

[RVclaret]

Tbf it’s about adapting to the English leagues.

Benson has, Tresor hasn’t.

Simple as that really

You are one of the first to say how big the gap between Champ and Prem is. I’m 100% sure if Tresor was plonked in against Millwall, Reading and QPR at home, all camped inside their own half with us having 75% of the ball, this place would have Tresor down as one of the best players in the Championship.

[ksrclaret]

Why does this word embarrassing keep floating around. Does it make you feel good about yourself or something lol. You can choose whether or not to believe it.

And you can choose whether or not to substantiate your embarrassing comment.

Lol

[NewClaret]

Football is all about opinions. You might like hanging on to 1 nil leads. I prefer to score a second and kill it off.

I could understand that argument if we had control of the game, but really we were backs to the wall.

Agree with the above comments though that he couldn’t have done any worse than Tresor though.

[BurnleyFC]

Surely using that logic you can't use Benson's goals last season in your argument then. Different division and pretty much a different team other than name, kit and ground.

You missed him being our best player against Premier League Manchester United and Bournemouth then?

I’ve no idea why he hasn’t featured this season, just like I’ve no idea why Tresor keeps getting picked, or Muric hasn’t had a sniff and was cast aside.

I’ve also no idea why we thought a midfield two of Brownhill and Cullen would work in the Premier League, why we stuck Al Dakhil at right back, or tried every other option at left back before finally playing our proper sodding left back in his correct position.

Or why we thought Rodriguez as our back up striker was acceptable, seeing as he was past it in this division two years ago.

[Vegas Claret]

have we signed anyone or been linked with anyone ? I can't be arsed reading through pages of crap

[RVclaret]

Come on RV, as a lover of stats you would realise how many times Benson has saved Vinny's backside off the bench.
He must be our most impactful sub for the last 50 years?

I fully agree. Ironically it was Luton at home in the Championship, Benson and Vinny’s debut, where I thought ‘this player will be big for us’. He changed the game at half time and we drew 1-1. Point still stands that I’m not sure bringing on such a small player would have been an amazing idea. Ref screwed us of a win that night, not Vinny, in my opinion.

[Pickles]

Come on RV, as a lover of stats you would realise how many times Benson has saved Vinny's backside off the bench.
He must be our most impactful sub for the last 50 years?

Is anyone arguing that? If anything it supports the reasoning for Benson's lack of game time. Stunning moments but no consistency and an all round game which lacks a lot of things. Unless you're a supreme player in the absolute best of teams, you can't build a career on flickers. He, and more importantly Burnley, can't rely on him compensating for literally nothing off the ball by scoring some screamers. Because the screamers inevitably stop.

[ksrclaret]

have we signed anyone or been linked with anyone ? I can't be arsed reading through pages of crap

No not yet, we're just chucking players under a bus currently to stave off criticism of "Vinny".

Maybe there'll be one tomorrow.

[Pickles]

You missed him being our best player against Premier League Manchester United and Bournemouth then?

No I didn't miss it. You're not interested in what players did for other teams though, and I think we can all agree that that Burnley team was different to this one, so I'm not sure why you've brought it up.

[Quickenthetempo]

I could understand that argument if we had control of the game, but really we were backs to the wall.

Agree with the above comments though that he couldn’t have done any worse than Tresor though.

When Luton's full backs are bombing on like they were, putting an attacking winger on to run at their defence, will either stop that or give him bags of space to run into.

As I posted above. Benson is our most impactful sub, probably ever.

[warksclaret]

We just have too many widemen-Koleosho, Odobert, Tresor,JGB, Larson, Redmond, Benson,Zarourry, Churlinov prior to his departure, Vitinho can play there too, as could Ramsey. Thats getting close to Dyche's total squad size when at Burnley. Appreciate some are injured but with Vinny now constantly making subs later than 70 mins , its impossible to give these guys game time, and as a result will hack off some of these guys starters

By contrast we have 4 centre halves and with injuries all have played a fair number of games enabling us to judge the best two

[BurnleyFC]

No I didn't miss it. You're not interested in what players did for other teams though, and I think we can all agree that that Burnley team was different to this one, so I'm not sure why you've brought it up.

Now you’re being daft.

[Big Vinny K]

Why does this word embarrassing keep floating around. Does it make you feel good about yourself or something lol. You can choose whether or not to believe it.

After your comment about him being ineffective against Everton (despite the rest of the team being sh-ite that evening and Benson coming on after 82 minutes) it seems more than an unusual coincidence that you are now accusing one of our players of kopping out of training on a regular basis.

So don’t be surprised you are being called out for saying something as serious as this.

[Quickenthetempo]

Is anyone arguing that? If anything it supports the reasoning for Benson's lack of game time. Stunning moments but no consistency and an all round game which lacks a lot of things. Unless you're a supreme player in the absolute best of teams, you can't build a career on flickers. He, and more importantly Burnley, can't rely on him compensating for literally nothing off the ball by scoring some screamers. Because the screamers inevitably stop.

We should have kept Dyche if you just want grafters.

[Pickles]

Now you’re being daft.

Not sure I am, I'm just referring to what you've said.

It's all opinions and it's all fair enough. I'm just surprised more people can't see why or how Benson hasn't played much and why he's likely to be leaving. It seems really obvious to me. In some ways we should be pleased, it could be the first big example of us flipping a player for double, triple(?) what we paid.

[Pickles]

We should have kept Dyche if you just want grafters.

At least respond to what I've written.

[RVclaret]

After your comment about him being ineffective against Everton (despite the rest of the team being sh-ite that evening and Benson coming on after 82 minutes) it seems more than an unusual coincidence that you are now accusing one of our players of kopping out of training on a regular basis.

So don’t be surprised you are being called out for saying something as serious as this.

Your reply to me on that post and even now is literally agreeing with me? I don’t get what you are saying. ‘Benson came on at 82 minutes and was ineffective’. Just cause others were too doesn’t mean my statement was incorrect, in fact you are saying it is correct. I didn’t mention anyone else as the comment made I replied to was about Benson.

[123EasyasBFC]

Benson and zaroury both been poor off the ball in training by all accounts

[Pickles]

Benson and zaroury both been poor off the ball in training by all accounts

Yes, isn't surprising if true. It was the huge elephant in the room last season. They were utterly sublime with the ball, two of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for us. But everyone knew they were terrible without the ball. Our style and dominance meant it didn't matter so much. Don't suppose either will play for us next season in the Championship, too much water under the bridge. Both will think they're beyond the Championship and fair play to them.

[Westleigh]

Cullen clone? He's scored more goals from midfield this season than Cullen has in his career.

I was talking about physique,Cullen was brilliant last season,he’s now come up against more physically strong midfield players and he’s not up to it ,we need to add some beef to our midfield.

[123EasyasBFC]

Yes, isn't surprising if true. It was the huge elephant in the room last season. They were utterly sublime with the ball, two of the most exciting players I've ever seen play for us. But everyone knew they were terrible without the ball. Our style and dominance meant it didn't matter so much. Don't suppose either will play for us next season in the Championship, too much water under the bridge. Both will think they're beyond the Championship and fair play to them.

I actually thought zaroury was good off the ball last season but to be honest we very rarely didn’t dominate the ball, so benson either started and had loads of space and saw the ball or him came off the bench after tella had run left back ragged for 60 minutes and the opposition were just sitting in