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by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:56 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

FT 1-1
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

INJURY TIME
Man Utd 1-1 Burnley

Antony blasts the ball straight against the arm of Vitinho. They quickly check it but it's not given. Never a pen.

Six minutes added on.
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

'Onana is nowhere near the ball' Man Utd 1-1 Burnley Stephen Warnock Former England and Liverpool defender on Final Score Andre Onana comes to punch the ball in the air and punches straight through the player, Zeki Amdouni. I am pleased about this being given, because the keeper wipes out the forwar...
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:49 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

BBC quotes:

GOAL - Man Utd 1-1 Burnley
Zeki Amdouni (88 mins)

Zeki Amdouni wins the penalty and then scores it. Pandemonium in the away end as the Burnley striker sends Andre Onana the wrong way.

Burnley deserve this.
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:47 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

16:45
GOAL - Man Utd 1-1 Burnley
Zeki Amdouni
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:46 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

Sent Onana the wrong way!

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by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

VAR - ref looked at it - and penalty given.

For Burnley, if anyone in doubt.
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

Simon Stone BBC Sport at Old Trafford It was interesting to see Erik ten Hag and Vincent Kompany having a debate about the merits of a potential penalty as Alejandro Garnacho went down in the box just then. Ten Hag was indicating it was the third time he had been brought down, Kompany was saying the...
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:36 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

From BBC Sport Get Involved #bbcfootball, text 81111 (UK only - standard rates apply) or WhatsApp 03301231826 SMS Message: How poor is this United team this season? +1 GD with three games to go? If Burnley nick a winner is goes back to 0. With the subs ETH has made you wonder where goals will come f...
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

HT 0-0
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man Utd (a)
Replies: 300
Views: 8079

Re: Man Utd (a)

Come on Burnley.

Another save from Onana. Foster gets better of Maguire for pace, but saved by Onana. (Quoting Phil Bird).
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Clarets+ Listen Live ????
Replies: 5
Views: 473

Re: Clarets+ Listen Live ????

Can anyone explain how to do this? I have logged in to my account, put in my credit card details, had a confirmation email, but when I try to find the commentary it all becomes a mystery. But I do end up with a screen showing: 'Available packages to follow Burnley' which doesn't allow me to discove...
by Paul Waine
Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JJ Watt...
Replies: 333
Views: 22263

Re: JJ Watt...

Just spotted this very odd comment. No idea why people take offence at everything nowadays because there really is no need. It is well acknowledged the different between British and American humour, it wasn't a criticism of somewhere I have spent a lot of time, the world would be boring if we were ...
by Paul Waine
Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Prague and Vienna Advice - Short stay
Replies: 21
Views: 1162

Re: Prague and Vienna Advice - Short stay

Channel 5 tonight, Michael Palin visits Prague. It may give you some ideas.
by Paul Waine
Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1264519

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

This isn't actually true, because the directors all got cash for their shares, the smaller shareholders had half of theirs in a credit note. This was probably illegal but it wasn't challenged. How do you know that ALK will act legally in respect of dividends and smaller shareholders, when they prob...
by Paul Waine
Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:33 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1264519

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Hi Paul, why do you think it's better for the club to have a multinational mix in the ownership? It's a large world we all live in. I think it's great that people from several corners of the world all want to invest in Burnley Football Club. I also think it's good for the town of Burnley and the re...
by Paul Waine
Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1264519

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

And with a share in ownership, no doubt they expect a share in the profits. All shareholders, including the "small shareholders" who have retained their shares in BFCHL will receive the same dividend per share as and when any dividends are declared. Just as all the previous directors who sold their...
by Paul Waine
Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
Replies: 12775
Views: 1264519

Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

No other info on his instagram page. I will surmise I don’t think any of these guys are billionaires, unfortunately. ALK and VSP isn't about "billionaires," New. It's about Burnley giving a lot of wealthy millionaires the opportunity to have a share in ownership of Burnley football club. It's the v...
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:25 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JJ Watt...
Replies: 333
Views: 22263

Re: JJ Watt...

That's my point, it doesn't make sense for him to invest a large sum of money into the club in the circumstances many are describing on here. Therefore I don't believe he has. I think it's exactly as he says, he want to learn the business side of the Sports Industry. The question is whether he woul...
by Paul Waine
Fri Apr 12, 2024 9:57 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JJ Watt...
Replies: 333
Views: 22263

Re: JJ Watt...

Interesting to hear him suggest this is basically a role he's doing to gain experience in running a football club. I wonder if that's the big indicator of what his real reason is for getting so involved in English football. Doesn't he say in the video that his long term plan is to own an English fo...
by Paul Waine
Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 10008
Views: 1038151

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

We've discussed "material uncertainty" with respect to Burnley's latest set of accounts. We've also seen that Blackburn Rovers accounts includes a "material uncertainty" statement from their auditors. The same "material uncertainty" is mentioned by the Guardian article reviewing Everton's latest acc...
by Paul Waine
Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
Replies: 10008
Views: 1038151

Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Is administration this season a possibility or will the Premier let it drag on before refusing 777 ownership so the points deduction is next season ? Martin Samuel, The Times, 10th April 2024 Convenient punishments keep Everton above water A cynic would say the independent commission had a quick lo...
by Paul Waine
Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:08 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: JJ Watt...
Replies: 333
Views: 22263

Re: JJ Watt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG6XIp9F7HI ^JJ on the overlap - a good watch, though some of the questions he gets asked are a bit daft/doesn't give him chance to properly respond... Definitely got the impression that he has more pull/influence at the club than some on here seemed to think. Great ...
by Paul Waine
Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12540

Re: Club debts spiral

Are we sleepwalking to oblivion? Always doubted Paces motives and things are not looking good. Kieran Maguire says Burnley will have to take action to avoid future financial breaches after their 22-23 accounts revealed that their debt has grown to £81million after a £27m loss. Only two years of par...
by Paul Waine
Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Henry Winter
Replies: 12
Views: 1760

Re: Henry Winter

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:21 pm
Been made redundant at The Times - must admit to being stunned at this news
That is a bit of a surprise. He's got a full page column in today's print edition.
by Paul Waine
Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:07 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Relegation
Replies: 76
Views: 5033

Re: Relegation

The original point was: is there any evidence and I pointed to it. We don't know the ins and outs of the finances to the extent that we know whether the material uncertainty has been dealt with...! I doubt it very much it has and the intention to sell still exists. There is also a note to the accou...
by Paul Waine
Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:48 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Relegation
Replies: 76
Views: 5033

Re: Relegation

I know you don't understand any of this but at least accept that when auditors write on legal document that the club is planning to sell - the club is planning to sell. Just this bit, Pete. You are misreading BDO's "material uncertainty" note that they've included in their audit report. The most im...
by Paul Waine
Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:04 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: POLL: If we were a Premier League Club - question about playing a game abroad…
Replies: 21
Views: 973

Re: POLL: If we were a Premier League Club - question about playing a game abroad…

Just think, 19 home games with £20 million income per game, £380 million per season... but, still not much more than half the revenue of City.

What does the away team get for playing in USA? I'd assume that would also need to be £20 million per game. (Remember, "£20 [million] is plenty").

UTC
by Paul Waine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
Replies: 349
Views: 16476

Re: I’m so sick of Kompany

I don't think we are on the same page here. You don't think the high number of goals we have conceded at the end of both halves has been been a recurrent problem of lack of discipline . I wish it was the odd worldy we were talking about and suspect maybe you haven't played sport much. Apologies if ...
by Paul Waine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:03 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2590

Re: 'The Project'...

Of course. Your post read as if it was downplaying the material uncertainty note by saying accounts were still prepared on a going concern basis whereas we both know that accounts being based on a break up basis is pretty catastrophic. Maybe that wasn't your intention but that's how it read to me. ...
by Paul Waine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Everton - 2 more points deducted.
Replies: 72
Views: 4547

Re: Everton

Rick_Muller wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:06 pm
Curious they waited till after our game against them, and it looks like they took Luton’s result into consideration too
Reported last week that Everton had asked that the latest sanction wouldn't be announced until after all their game at w/end.

Forest did the same earlier.
by Paul Waine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:43 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2590

Re: 'The Project'...

aggi wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:39 am
Accounts not being prepared on a break up basis is, I would say, the absolute minimum you would expect.
I'm sure you will understand that if BDO didn't think going concern was correct they would have qualified their audit opinion.
by Paul Waine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2590

Re: 'The Project'...

One of the features of the club's notion of buying to sell (under ALK/VSL) is that there have been very few actual sales of note the most profitable being Collins and Cornet and they didn't produce the reported cost of Beyer before amortisation. When you look at the money the club has lost on Wegho...
by Paul Waine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:57 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Relegation
Replies: 76
Views: 5033

Re: Relegation

[quote=ClaretPete001 post_id=2314314 time=1712566599 user_id=7375 Hence the auditors notes to the accounts to the effect that they have a concern that player sales will not generate much cash and if they don't the club cannot be considered a going concern. [/quote] Hi Pete, don't you think the new f...
by Paul Waine
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:39 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2590

Re: 'The Project'...

tbf the club have managed to meet all the demands placed upon them, which is some going when you look at the detail of outflow. That said last summers chase for money: factoring a portion of 3 years Premier League revenues and replacing a £39.7m loan with a £70m one (that has more onerous terms tha...
by Paul Waine
Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.
Replies: 61
Views: 3584

Re: Interesting that potential contract clause mentioned again.

I've worked it out, the deal is with Gareth Southgate: once James Trafford has played 75% of Burnley's Premier League games Southgate is obliged to pick him for England squad. Of course, the more important contract clause is the one that says how many games Trafford needs to play before he gets Engl...
by Paul Waine
Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:35 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The cost of playing out badly
Replies: 55
Views: 3016

Re: The cost of playing out badly

Just a fallacious argument Paul. You could equally argue on the same basis that top teams concede goals so what's the issue except top teams don't concede 67 of them. I understand games are won and lost on the number of goals scored by the two teams in a game. I don't think anyone is arguing about ...
by Paul Waine
Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: The cost of playing out badly
Replies: 55
Views: 3016

Re: The cost of playing out badly

Top teams never ever make mistakes that lead to goals being given away, or do they?
by Paul Waine
Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Man U/ Liverpool
Replies: 45
Views: 2001

Re: Man U/ Liverpool

Bosscat wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:38 pm
Imagine the meltdown on here if we conceded like that on here ... 🤣🤣🤣 Fernandes equalises
Anyone feeling better about Burnley's two goalkeepers, now?
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16274

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

Oh well. We go again next game.

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by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:22 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16274

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

Vincent Kompany 38th birthday on Wednesday.

Come on Burnley, let's give Vincent an early birthday present.
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16274

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

Vitinho on, Fofana off.
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:19 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16274

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

Muric saves with his legs, R5 live say he's made up for his earlier mistake.

Come on you Clarets.
by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16274

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:00 pm
People on here have been dying for Burnley goalkeeper mistake, it’s laughable
Perhaps we can all agree on my modification of your statement.

Come on, let's get behind the team, including the goalkeeper, whoever is wearing the shirt.

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by Paul Waine
Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread
Replies: 494
Views: 16274

Re: Toffees vs Clarets Match Thread

Trafford v Muric thread is going to be interesting later.

Come on you Clarets.
by Paul Waine
Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12540

Re: Administration?

Hi Paul, You've been very deliberate with your wording in these posts but I think you do understand what is being asked. It may be correct to say that no payment has been made to the directors, but I believe the general sentiment is that they have taken money out of the club and they will benefit f...
by Paul Waine
Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:13 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12540

Re: Administration?

I’ve read your posts but I find your answers are a little ambiguous. Are you saying that there is absolutely no way that Pace and co can’t personally gain from the management fees paid to the affiliate company? I find this hard to believe but will happily defer to people with more knowledge. Could ...
by Paul Waine
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12540

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Thanks to Mods for merging these 2 threads on the club's accounts. The most interesting thing about the accounts for the accounting period ending 31st July 2023 is that they were signed off by both Alan Pace - and no director would sign off the accounts until they have been approved by the board of ...
by Paul Waine
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:18 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12540

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:27 pm
What would the balance sheet look like without that £124 million inter company debt...!
In what way, Pete? That Calder Vale had repaid the debt, or that BFCHL had cancelled the debt, or that Calder Vale had never borrowed the £124 million in the first place?
by Paul Waine
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:16 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12540

Re: Administration?

But it seems to me you’ve insinuated that Pace and co haven’t taken any remuneration, unless I’ve misunderstood your position? It would seem to me highly likely to me that the management fee was paid to a company of which Pace and co are directors that have or will pay Pace and co by way of dividen...