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- Wed May 01, 2024 10:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton Issues
- Replies: 51
- Views: 5406
Re: Everton Issues
West Ham's share of the catering income at the London Stadium is miniscule - less than £200k for the season - Spurs turnover £800k+ a game just on food and drink, making more from 19 games of Premier League Matchday catering alone than our club does from all its Matchday, Catering and Retail sales ...
- Wed May 01, 2024 9:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton Issues
- Replies: 51
- Views: 5406
Re: Everton Issues
It is not too difficult just look at Tottenham and consider the limited offerings and facilities at Goodison West Ham has a 60,000 stadium and generates £40 million. Newcastle 52,000 and generates £37 million. It's a mute point even they tripled gate revenue it would only be West Ham size....! Let'...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton Issues
- Replies: 51
- Views: 5406
Re: Everton Issues
Just to compare Newcastle's capacity is around 52,000 and they generate £37 million from gate receipts in a similar working class area to Everton.
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton Issues
- Replies: 51
- Views: 5406
Re: Everton Issues
Except the planned capacity of the new stadium is 52,888, they rained it back for the close to 60k originally discussed. Still looking at more than tripling their matchday revenue and its location makes it a strong option for concerts, therefore additional revenue. the key plan will be trying to cr...
- Wed May 01, 2024 7:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton Issues
- Replies: 51
- Views: 5406
Re: Everton Issues
Everton tiny compared to west ham? Er... What? When the stadium is built their revenue will end up dwarfing west ham. You can bookmark that. The us model will work absolutely fine for them if it's a Biggie You keep saying this but you don't say how. Goodison's capacity is 39,000 and the new one 53,...
- Wed May 01, 2024 3:38 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton Issues
- Replies: 51
- Views: 5406
Re: Everton Issues
Big enough for what? Everton are one of the biggest clubs in this country and have a big international following, esp in the US. They will get taken over by either sports washers or a US sports franchise, rumours that the Mumbai Indians want them also. They will have an iconic stadium on the waterf...
- Wed May 01, 2024 10:00 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Everton Issues
- Replies: 51
- Views: 5406
Re: Everton Issues
To be fair, they had a Russian guy willing to fund the club and pay for the stadium. The government stopped him. Any club would struggle if they had to pay an extra billion for a new ground and their funding source stopped. The loss of Russian sponsors cost them £15 million in sponsorships as well....
- Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:50 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The summer Trafford/Muric dilemma
- Replies: 110
- Views: 4308
Re: The summer Trafford/Muric dilemma
Well he did sell Cole Palmer, which over the course of his career I reckon will prove to be a huge mistake even at £40m. Maybe Trafford too. Of course Muric wasn’t worth £50m at City and isn’t now, because he hasn’t played at this level enough. My point is he could be in future. If for example he p...
- Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The summer Trafford/Muric dilemma
- Replies: 110
- Views: 4308
Re: The summer Trafford/Muric dilemma
Muric worth £50 million quid?
He was at one of the top teams in the world until they sold him to us for £3 million.
Just shows how stupid Pep is....
He was at one of the top teams in the world until they sold him to us for £3 million.
Just shows how stupid Pep is....
- Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:45 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10046
- Views: 1067383
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Jonathan Wilson is the next writer to pick up on this theme from The Guardian Ange Postecoglou the ‘plastic’ manager is perfect fit for a club at odds with its fans There’s always been a tension between connection to place and the commercial reality – but it has never felt more acute https://www.th...
- Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:59 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: All there in one match.
- Replies: 95
- Views: 7115
Re: All there in one match.
There is some truth in that but can we decide what has happened to this group of players since we played West Ham P8 W2 D5 L1 F11 A8 pts 11 I can think of 4 things: 1. The addition of the 3 loanees in January has made a big difference. 2. Cullen should never have been dropped and his return has hel...
- Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:51 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12780
- Views: 1276736
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
I've said before but I'm a bit surprised there has been much discussion on the minutiae of structural issues like shareholding and little on the meaning of the accounts going forward.. From any perspective, this is a problematic set of accounts. Not least because it doesn't include almost £40 millio...
- Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:43 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: All there in one match.
- Replies: 95
- Views: 7115
Re: All there in one match.
I said a few months ago , when we were really playing bad that I would not mind losing games,or even being relegated if every player was giving their all. Yesterday and recently I have been seeing a totally different side, who have upped their games and minimised the mistakes (not totally). Its mad...
- Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:30 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Momentum = Great Escape
- Replies: 21
- Views: 2820
Re: Momentum = Great Escape
4 of the starting 11 are on loan and the auditors have suggested that there has to be quick sales or the clubs cash will run out very swiftly.
Survival is all there is to play for...!
- Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: All there in one match.
- Replies: 95
- Views: 7115
Re: All there in one match.
It could. Everton play with two wingers a number 10 and a double pivot.SouthamptonClaret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:53 pmHe did, it was great. But he didn't do it with this squad.
My point was this team couldn't play the way Dyche's team did.
This squad would suit that type of formation.
- Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:27 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Man Utd (a)
- Replies: 368
- Views: 14576
Re: Man Utd (a)
An odd game but in truth we looked to have the more quality. Overall, very good point and it's not often you can go to Old Trafford and be the better side and look to have the better players. Negatives: very open game always look likely to be settled by a mistake. Both side look a bit rudderless and...
- Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:11 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
The podcast isn't that good when they aren't moaning about something. At least I know I have something to look forward to when we lose from now on. Indeed there is a sense of anticipation because you know full well that if we get tanked at old Trafford, the Pod Squad will fall off a cliff and decid...
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:06 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Taffy
- Replies: 155
- Views: 7402
Re: Taffy
Fantastic player and a true legend of the club.
Probably my first boyhood hero. RIP Leighton condolences to the family
Probably my first boyhood hero. RIP Leighton condolences to the family
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Been with your Mrs for 30 years and don’t love her.
- Replies: 53
- Views: 4085
Re: Been with your Mrs for 30 years and don’t love her.
Absolutely. Going into the season with just Foster and Rodriguez as centre forward options, one unproven even at Championship level and the other proven to be not a real goal threat in the PL was suicidal. Particularly as we signed 12,000 wingers. Typically ridiculous exaggeration. It's 11,996....!
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:13 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: REPORT: A tale of two keepers
- Replies: 28
- Views: 2341
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:12 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: REPORT: A tale of two keepers
- Replies: 28
- Views: 2341
Re: REPORT: A tale of two keepers
We do of course long for Heaton and Pope again, but they were incapable of playing the way we play (and City etc play). The fast distribution, the high defence and sweeper keeper. I’m not convinced having them in our goal this season would have saved us. My Dad has a joke, which goes something alon...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
On a bit of a segway from Merch, I have had a feeling that fan and the local community has been targeted to make up for the lack of commercial growth at the club since the takeover - so I have been looking at the sources of non tv income at BFC, and put together this table - it will be much more in...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:23 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
I agree, but I'm not enjoying 1996 I'm still savouring 1978. At least we have a cup final to look forward to....!
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 4:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Welcome aboard Eugene. Enjoy the ride. In the absence of any evidence of investment and given the choice between between the possibility that these people have invested serous cash or ALK are offering equity in return for brand awareness marketing I would choose the latter not least because of the p...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:09 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
I doubt many fans knew what a horrendous financial position we were in before the play off final in 2009, yet we were on the verge of administration. Flood and Co. seemed to escape any scrutiny despite nearly running us off a cliff edge! Yes, but that doesn't justify not holding people to account n...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:51 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
We had a previous owner who sold Turf Moor and the training ground to a company based in a tax haven and kept it secret for months until I stumbled across it on a company database. And even after that came out there was just a bland statement. Very few clubs are open about their finances beyond the...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:53 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Just listened to the Kieran Maguire one, obviously nothing revelatory but nice to hear a Brighton fan talk a bit more realistically about how they got to where they are now One thing which was a bit glossed over, possibly because it's just viewed as normal now, is how you need an owner to pretty mu...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:32 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Another good one I will say, on reflection, that I concur with Woody and claretpete on here that there is a danger in people giving what I say to much credence in terms of being absolute truth - particularly when I am not able to produce supporting evidence, though even then others with knowledge a...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:56 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: JJ Watt...
- Replies: 333
- Views: 23325
Re: JJ Watt...
His career earnings I think are around $150 million dollars plus. His final 2 year contract was $35 million dollars. Its mega money for a sports star. Surely His likely return on an investment with us would pale into insignificance. He won't want to lose masses, but I just can't see how this could ...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:39 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: The Lost Art of Not Knowing Things
- Replies: 22
- Views: 2919
Re: The Lost Art of Not Knowing Things
The Lost Art of Doff Capping.
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:47 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: JJ Watt...
- Replies: 333
- Views: 23325
Re: JJ Watt...
You have to have a bit of common sense. I mean the guy is a great ambassador for the club and I have no doubt he is in great demand because he's funny, handsome, has a six pack and seems knowledgeable about sports. In many ways he reminds me of myself. But like me he wouldn't do all this for nothing...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:29 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
this is all true, but what most people are failing to recognise is that ALK/VSL currently hold just over 90% of the shareholding in the club and have likely paid a net sum of less than £60m for that shareholding (after the sale of shares to Vlad Torgovnik) - with only £10m upfront. There are no out...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:20 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
They think they bought Burnley at a cheap price. There has been a strange consensus among American investors in the game that English and European clubs are 'under-valued'. This seems to be because they compare PL club's values to those of the NFL franchises. But of course there are a ton of reason...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:07 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
to many people in the US 10 million is found down the back of the sofa edit: I've had a look down the back of my sofa and all I found was a stale crisp ! I hope you ate it - waste not want not as me mother used to say....! I've met the odd millionaires and to be honest with you most were so tight t...
- Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:03 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: JJ Watt...
- Replies: 333
- Views: 23325
Re: JJ Watt...
Great interview. Even an old curmudgeon like me couldn't help but love this guy. Still don't believe he paid a load of money for shares though....! If it was me I'd say sack VK tomorrow and appoint him as manager. If he asked me to run up Pendle Hill in a mankini and a straw boater I'd be off like a...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Shurandy Sambo
- Replies: 100
- Views: 8327
Re: Shurandy Sambo
Vitinho is great, 100% effort and has definitely adapted to the various roles he's been given. But both Vinny an I rate Assignon a better right back than Vitinho and Roberts :D For once we agree. I also think Assignon is a good player. I think he's been a bit unlucky but he's quick got clever feet ...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:51 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
It's completely alien to me as well. But I look at Turf Moor as the country club - they've invested in a product they can show off to their friends, bring them over to see the Premier League in action, maybe help make introductions to progress business deals etc. Maybe you are right but I shall rem...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:34 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
I agree Pete, seems incredibly hard to believe that anyone would do that. But ALK clearly have a bit of a knack of persuading some people to part with their cash in this way (the likes of JJ Watt, Malcolm Jenkins etc have happily done so). I guess the attraction with a club like Burnley is probably...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:31 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
It is a reasonable analogy - though it is not as innovative as you may think - FSG is a similar model, it is pretty common in American sports, though we are starting to see it more over here. It appears that they invest in or join (given the rumours about some 'minor partners' Velocity Sports Partn...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:22 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
My horse-racing syndicate theory is based on the assumption that these investors are doing it for the kudos of having a successful football club as part of their diverse portfolio of interests (and have somewhere to use as a bit of a country club to impress other people of wealth etc). A bit like y...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:39 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
I've sometimes referred to the ALK model as being like a horse-racing syndicate - people invest for a share in the vehicle which ultimately owns the club. Am I far off the mark with that assumption CP? I'm not sure we know (Chester might) but the problem is if they are giving away equity they are d...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:32 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
As I have posted elsewhere on this board this week, I am fairly certain that original takeover group are already in profit, I cannot prove it, but that is what I believe, all because of those that have paid to join their group and of course Vlad Torgovnik. I agree they've likely had their money out...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:50 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
- Replies: 805
- Views: 71700
Re: Brilliant New Burnley Podcast
Great piece struck the right tone. Grown up talk with an industry leading expert.
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:03 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Relegation
- Replies: 76
- Views: 5262
Re: Relegation
Just this bit, Pete. You are misreading BDO's "material uncertainty" note that they've included in their audit report. The most important thing is that they have signed an audit report that is not qualified. BDO confirm that "going concern" is the "true and fair" basis for the accounts. Yes, they'v...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:58 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Relegation
- Replies: 76
- Views: 5262
Re: Relegation
Bumba, ClaretPete001 let's see come the end of the summer transfer window and see if your predicted fire sale happens To be fair, you asked the question who said the club was going to sell. And I answered it. So, let's differentiate between what has been said and what has not been said. Do I think ...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:47 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 17330
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
Fair enough, we have created problems for ourselves but I don't think they are necessarily caused through this tactic alone. Concentration, poor marking and decision making are the biggest problems. Yes but it's very poor management when you are exacerbating the problems that exist by insisting tha...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:45 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Relegation
- Replies: 76
- Views: 5262
Re: Relegation
Player's like Twine, Mcnally Brownhill will be sold for little or no profit player's like Benson or Zaroury would be priced out of a move to the championship, Premier league team's won't come in so it's European club's and do they have the money to buy them they won't go cheap compared to what's ou...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:18 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 17330
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
How many of these late in the half goals have been conceded through playing out from the back? I don't know. As I said, you'd have to have a second criterion with some kind of judgement on how many goals were caused by the style of football. I would say that anecdotally, almost every pundit I've li...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:00 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 17330
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
I mean stats can be difficult to prove anything one way or another but my feeling is that if Dyche had asked Pope to play out with his feet Popey would have conceded at lot of stupid goals and would probably be playing for Rotherham Utd now not Newcastle United. It wrecked his England career in 90 m...
- Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: I’m so sick of Kompany
- Replies: 349
- Views: 17330
Re: I’m so sick of Kompany
Just had a look at those minutes conceded. We are not outliers from minutes 30-45. We have 8 scored and 12 conceded. Similar to several. Don’t know about just the last few minutes of the half. However where we ARE outliers (with Sheffield) is minutes 76-90. We have 6 scored and 18 conceded. But our...