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by Big Vinny K
Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:43 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Beyer
Replies: 28
Views: 2066

Re: Beyer

Clubs don't talk about injuries these days, it's the norm. Not another thing to moan about. Which clubs are you referring to ? Check the FPL website and you will see injury updates from virtually every premier league club and most of them are direct quotes or video clips from the weekly managers pr...
by Big Vinny K
Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Beyer
Replies: 28
Views: 2066

Re: Beyer

What would you like exactly? A 32 player question, that Kompany has to answer to each Available, Selected Not available Available, Not selected Ad nauseam? Don’t think anyone wants that no. But some supporters might want more of an update on why a player who cost £13m has hardly kicked a ball this ...
by Big Vinny K
Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:28 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Matej Vydra is playing...
Replies: 27
Views: 2545

Re: Matej Vydra is playing...

Riley….she’s better with her feet.
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So who's renewed their ST?
Replies: 242
Views: 10317

Re: So who's renewed their ST?

Sit where the kids tickets are cheaper then? which successful teams in the North West are cheaper to watch than Burnley? the comparison with Bayern was brought by another poster. Are you being deliberately stupid ? I’ve already posted twice why I mentioned Bayern. Not going to continue the debate w...
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:45 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So who's renewed their ST?
Replies: 242
Views: 10317

Re: So who's renewed their ST?

i was replying to your comment about Bayern Munich. depends how you want to interrogate the data. Most expensive match tickets (german) vs most expensive match tickets (EPL) are comparible. Where the data is skewed if looking at averages, or cheapest tickets available. Germany tend to have a cheape...
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:55 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So who's renewed their ST?
Replies: 242
Views: 10317

Re: So who's renewed their ST?

So you don’t believe the ticket prices in Germany are significantly lower than the Premier League ?
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:41 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So who's renewed their ST?
Replies: 242
Views: 10317

Re: So who's renewed their ST?

you need to remember its an optional thing, nobody is forcing them to pay it. if people are prioritizing football over essentials then more fool them. I'd love to drive a brand new Porche, cant afford one, so i make do with an Audi. cut my cloth accordingly Pretty dumb and heartless comparison real...
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:08 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Pompey
Replies: 39
Views: 2572

Re: Pompey

Relegation favourites next year the Championship is a hard league.VK totally underestimated the jump from Championship to Premier. The gap between all the leagues is now massive. How do you work that one out ? - they’ve hardly lost a game in the last 18 months in division 1. The gap between divisio...
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Jrod
Replies: 55
Views: 3861

Re: Jrod

I love when fans suggest offering a player a coaching role. It happened with Barnes, Heaton the other day I think, and it's happened here. What makes Rodriguez a good coach? Is he interested in being a coach? Is he qualified? He said in the recent Ben Foster podcast interview that he had no interes...
by Big Vinny K
Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:30 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Masters golf
Replies: 52
Views: 2945

Re: Masters golf

Seemed a little bit too easy for the players this year. This stood out as the best tournament for how tough it was, but I'm not sure it gripped me this year. Maybe the players have played it so much, they can easily avoid the hazards? Quite the opposite of what you are saying to be honest. Friday w...
by Big Vinny K
Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:14 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Masters golf
Replies: 52
Views: 2945

Re: Masters golf

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:55 am
Inspired by Eric Morecambe apparently.
Fleetwood is his birth name isn’t it ?

Apologies if that was a joke !!
by Big Vinny K
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:43 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Masters golf
Replies: 52
Views: 2945

Re: Masters golf

If Big Vinny K could post his analysis before I put my bets on the next major, it would be greatly appreciated! Well I’ll get in early then !! Aberg is worth backing in every major until he wins one - he’s that good. Tommy Fleetwood has been playing great this last year since he changed coach. He l...
by Big Vinny K
Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:26 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Arfield - Interview with Charlotte FC
Replies: 11
Views: 1594

Re: Arfield - Interview with Charlotte FC

Good listen that.
Loved Scotty
by Big Vinny K
Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Brighton - Player Ratings
Replies: 91
Views: 4443

Re: Burnley v Brighton - Player Ratings

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:59 am
Not even close

https://youtu.be/IECKWtrYmBg?si=x_EuDvd040n7hKZM
Muric would (and probably will) go straight to number one in the blooper list unfortunately.
How can most of those be worse than yesterday when the opposition does not even have to do anything ?
by Big Vinny K
Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:55 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley v Brighton - Player Ratings
Replies: 91
Views: 4443

Re: Burnley v Brighton - Player Ratings

Muric makes one mistake and he's docked almost the same amount of points as Everton, to those given Muric 3 or 4 FFS give your heads the biggest wobble ever.... CLUELESS He made the worst and most embarrassing goalkeeping mistake in the Premier League since 2002….that’s 22 years. This is a ratings ...
by Big Vinny K
Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:20 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Replies: 363
Views: 9040

Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?

Right we all know muric made an error today, last week is not an error it’s unfortunate. It’s a very lazy view to not take into consideration all the positives muric has brought to the last 5 games. The last 5 games have resulted in our best form (as I said early not much to shout about) the games ...
by Big Vinny K
Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:51 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Replies: 363
Views: 9040

Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?

It’s not using the sheff United keeper as a defence, he said wouldn’t see a premier league keeper make the same mistake when a current premier league keeper made the exact same mistake The last keeper to make an error like Muric did today in the Premier League was nearly 22 years ago. God only know...
by Big Vinny K
Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:24 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?
Replies: 363
Views: 9040

Re: So do you drop Muric after two massive costly howlers?

Please stop trying so hard to defend the indefensible. It looks very silly. Exactly this. Who would use the Sheff United keeper as a defence - they are the only team who have been sh-itter than us !! Those who thought Muric was the answer have been made to look a bit stupid. That does not mean he d...
by Big Vinny K
Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:58 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Masters golf
Replies: 52
Views: 2945

Re: Masters golf

Backed Harman at 90s a couple of months ago. His odds came in after a great Players. Augusta suited to lefties. Struggling to look beyond Scheffler - but as said his odds are so short and not seen such a short price favourite for a major since Tiger was in his prime. I backed Aberg for Masters 6 mon...
by Big Vinny K
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2463

Re: 'The Project'...

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:03 pm
How did we make 10m on Collins, wasn't it nearer the 2m mark ?
Thought we bought him for around £11m to £12m and sold him for just under £21m.
That’s the kind of numbers widely reported at the time.
by Big Vinny K
Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:02 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2463

Re: 'The Project'...

Obviously this is all crystal ball stuff but I suspect the strategy would have been pretty similar even if they'd known we were going to be relegated. The issue hasn't really been that we're likely to be relegated, it's the nature of it. We've not seen a player really burst through and look like th...
by Big Vinny K
Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:50 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2463

Re: 'The Project'...

If you look at the case of clubs where things have gone badly wrong in the past, it would suggest there are a number of red flags to watch out for: 1. Large loans/debt 2. Excessive transfer activity combined with poor results and running at a significant loss in transfer dealings. 3. Lack of transp...
by Big Vinny K
Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:14 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: 'The Project'...
Replies: 58
Views: 2463

Re: 'The Project'...

to an extent yes - Factoring the Premier League money I understand, all promoted clubs do it (the Premier League rules are structured to promote the idea) but taking an additional £30m loan as well when you add those to sums to the 1st Premier League TV payment and have only £20.5m a few weeks late...
by Big Vinny K
Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

The accounts are to year end July 23.
But the first payment was made in the previous year so I agree it does not relate to JJ Watt.
by Big Vinny K
Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:34 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Technically the Edwards family saw a return over 120 times the investment, but that was over a very long timespan (and multiple generations) - Dein possibly but again at an established big club, buying in at the right time. Garlick did it at a did it at a small club and in quite a short period of t...
by Big Vinny K
Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:07 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Burnley1989 wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:05 am
I understand why fans don’t like it, but why are some people so surprised that investors/owners take money out of a club. It’s not as though they’re taking huge amounts.
Why else would they invest?
Not sure anyone is saying that regarding the £2.5m.
by Big Vinny K
Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:01 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

from what I see Garlick holds the record in terms of multiple of investment around 12 times from what I have been able to discern, though it would have been more but for the deal I mentioned to Pete up the thread - he will eventually be overtaken by the Glazer family Never seen such a list publishe...
by Big Vinny K
Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:31 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Administration?

Yes, I've been very deliberate with my wording because I'm being very clear with my answers. However, I don't understand what you are suggesting. Are you suggesting that the accounts are dishonest? Are you suggesting that the directors have received remuneration? Are you suggesting that the auditor...
by Big Vinny K
Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:34 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Administration?

My guess is that we may have brought some contracted stuff back in house (we may see a fall again depending how the catering staff are employed under the new contract). The standard states that it is all staff, not full time equivalent, so within those numbers will be a lot of people who actually w...
by Big Vinny K
Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:44 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Administration?

Hi Ian, I don't think anyone has answered your question. The latest set of accounts very clearly state that none of the directors received any remuneration for their services. Equally, no dividends are being paid, so shareholders aren't taking any money out of the club. The accounts indicate that t...
by Big Vinny K
Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:48 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

I would be interested in who made a better return on their investment relative to what they risked - Garlick from Burnley or the much maligned Owen Oysten from Blackpool. I would guess the former. All above board I am sure. But if the sum total of a fan’s interest (the “we” that gets referred to) i...
by Big Vinny K
Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:52 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

On the flip side, he oversaw one of the most successful period's in our history, ran the club sustainably at his own financial risk, without regular remuneration, built up a healthy rainy day fund which would have subsidised a relegation and attempted return to the PL, and then sold his stake for m...
by Big Vinny K
Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

We wouldn't have because the players (for the 10,00000th time) have significant wage reductions in their contracts in the event of relegation. Yep some probably would (I haven’t got access to the players contracts though and doubt you do either). Irrespective we would have been looking at a wage bi...
by Big Vinny K
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:35 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Completely agree that this was a deliberate strategy to facilitate the purchase. It’s a very simplistic argument to say that Garlick ran the club “properly” and never took any remuneration or dividends. If he would have taken £7m or £8m dividend every season there would be outrage amongst many fans....
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:46 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Administration?

I don't find their statement particularly useful, that's kind of the point. We have cash flow issues, have had cash flow issues, and will continue to have cash flow issues like possibly 90% of the rest of the pyramid does. Our cash balance has increased to over £20m. Not sure we have cash flow issu...
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:36 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Yes but that's where we disagree. I think prudence also means spending enough money to ensure the viability of the playing assets. The protestations that the cost of Covid, around £50 million, could ruin the club looked somewhat hollow when he sold to ALK who immediately took £50 million out of the...
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:19 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

you dont need to be an expert to read a set of accounts and come to a conclusion. I think you need a decent amount of knowledge to understand our current ownership structure and the financial model we seem to be operating. Both of these areas impact a number of areas in our audited accounts. Even t...
by Big Vinny K
Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:54 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Administration?

Not sure why Maguire has chose to post this.
He’s usually really good at reporting and analysing football finances. Does great summary and analysis on Twitter when clubs release their accounts.

Got a really good reputation too so doesn’t really need to post headline grabbing nonsense like this.
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:39 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: What's happened to the roof?
Replies: 43
Views: 5307

Re: What's happened to the roof?

The club has already sent out an email to those seats impacted tonight offering a credit towards season tickets or other tickets due to being moved out of our seats.
They couldn’t have acted much quicker so credit where credits due for that.
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:31 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: What's happened to the roof?
Replies: 43
Views: 5307

Re: What's happened to the roof?

:x As someone who was in that block, the management of this initially was absolutely farcical. Firstly, how wasn't this spotted earlier? Surely it didn't just happen at about 8pm? Then sending one lad who looked about 15 but was all ten men with his earpiece in, effing and blinding at people who had...
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:28 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Quite a lot. I wouldn't have anywhere near as much trust in an owner from overseas than I would a local honour simply because we don't know what their real motive is. We at least knew Garlick, John B and Barry Kilby would never have seen us go completely tits up. Foreign owners are an unknown quant...
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:55 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

We have foreign owners that have taken out huge loans and theoretically we would have a huge reduction in revenue which could be used to pay those loans back. What has where the owners come from got to do with it ? I think the point was that many clubs in the PL and championship are in the same boa...
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Is there any signs in there where we have improved on the previous owners? Completely different ownership and financial model. But if you are looking at purely numbers in isolation as a comparison between owners then the biggest “improvement” is our wage bill. But firstly that’s now a historical an...
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:42 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

A fair chunk of Summer 23 transfer dealings did come into these accounts. Beyer, Amdouni and Trafford were all In July 23 so will fall in these accounts (although obviously a fair chunk of payments for these will be in the future). Good point - you lose track of the timings when you sign as many pl...
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:29 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

and that is why we shouldn't be sniggering at others imho I think it’s all relative Vegas. Just because we may not be at basket case level of financial mismanagement like Everton (and plenty of other clubs) does not mean that every thing is fine and dandy. Some clubs are a lot more vulnerable and f...
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23
Replies: 268
Views: 12047

Re: Burnley FC Accounts 2022/23

Need to have a longer look at the accounts but from what I have seen they are worse than I was expecting. The wages were higher than I was expecting but I’m guessing they will have included promotion bonuses given we went up 2 or 3 months before the year end. They may also include some payments to D...
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:13 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Possible affordable targets for next season
Replies: 100
Views: 6372

Re: Possible affordable targets for next season

So almost literally spot on.
by Big Vinny K
Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:09 am
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Possible affordable targets for next season
Replies: 100
Views: 6372

Re: Possible affordable targets for next season

Sinclair Armstrong has 3 goals in 50 apps for QPR Spice. He's young, but he's quite literally nowhere near the level required. Some of the comments ITT are strange; it's almost how a transfer discussion thread from sort of 2012 or so would down. We are quite literally operating on a different level...
by Big Vinny K
Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:53 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Chelsea v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 81
Views: 5259

Re: Chelsea v Burnley - Player Ratings

Goliath wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:48 pm
Also, you are mistaking shots for chances.
I’m not….but thanks for the feedback.
by Big Vinny K
Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:15 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: Chelsea v Burnley - Player Ratings
Replies: 81
Views: 5259

Re: Chelsea v Burnley - Player Ratings

Vitinho 3 - before I get stick for this I implore people to watch the game again from a neutral standpoint. Every single chance they created (and there was a lot) came from his mistakes. That is just factually not true. You are “imploring” us to watch the game again. Why don’t you watch the game ag...