4 to go and Sheff Utd plus 2 out of 3, bfc, Luton, Forest, looks likely.
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- Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:53 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Relegation Run-In
- Replies: 81
- Views: 8669
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:34 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
25/4/2021, Wolves 0 Burnley 4.
- Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:32 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
Interestingly enough it seems that Manchester United are far from happy with the concept of anchoring from The Guardian Manchester United to fight Premier League’s proposed changes to PSR rules ‘Anchoring’ would tie wages to bottom club’s TV revenue United said to prefer model of higher investment ...
- Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:33 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 1966
- Replies: 23
- Views: 1943
Re: 1966
I see there's a headline lower down on the page letting us know that the Manchester United youngster, George Best, passed Busby's test. Maybe it was a test at that United party in Belgrade mentioned later in the article, where the senior pros set youngsters initiation tests and they let Matt know. ...
- Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:59 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: CSMTAC on YouTube
- Replies: 3
- Views: 750
Re: CSMTAC on YouTube
There's lots of football history around on personal websites, youtube, etc. Sometimes though the provider has to quit for various reasons and the material is often lost. A case in point was theheavyroller on youtube, lots of footage from the 1950s and 1960s, now completely removed. Think football cl...
- Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:55 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Klopp's sportsmanship
- Replies: 40
- Views: 3385
Re: Klopp's sportsmanship
Think he's getting worse, probably indicates the pressure he's under and why he's decided to leave Liverpool in the summer.
- Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:43 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Independent Football Regulator
- Replies: 30
- Views: 1787
Re: Independent Football Regulator
I’m not sure what exactly is wrong with someone buying a football club and spending millions to improve that club. You can’t have it the way it is. It isn’t a sport as is. Man Utd will always be light years ahead of Burnley, say. Why doesn't an investor who wants to invest in Burnley have the right...
- Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:14 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Independent Football Regulator
- Replies: 30
- Views: 1787
- Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:56 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Independent Football Regulator
- Replies: 30
- Views: 1787
Re: Independent Football Regulator
One function will be to grant operating licences to clubs. One of the essentials for a licence seems to be financial reporting. Maybe we'll find out a bit more about bfc finances, like who ultimately owns us !
- Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:30 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
10/3/2018, West Ham 0 Burnley 3, repeat today...
- Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:24 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
3/3/1962, Burnley 6 West Ham 0.
- Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:41 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
29/2/2020, Newcastle 0 Burnley 0.
Today's a leap day, just 6 bfc games ever otd, 2020 was the latest.
Today's a leap day, just 6 bfc games ever otd, 2020 was the latest.
- Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:52 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
- Replies: 215
- Views: 8770
Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
Reminds me of the Beatles, The Inner Light, the farther one travels the less one knows.
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:41 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
- Replies: 215
- Views: 8770
Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
The £170m was confirmed in the October 4 2021 Offer letter to the small shareholders where a minimum price per share was specified (the actual sum is less than £500 below £170m) - there was the potential for it to be more based on performance but we do not know if that was ever triggered, I suspect...
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:09 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
- Replies: 215
- Views: 8770
Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
The key bit is that the £65 million is part of the £115 million. ALK had to pay the previous directors £X million. They borrowed (in stages) £115 million from the club. The club borrowed £65 million from MSD (and replaced by new loans) so that the club could make up the £115 million it was lending ...
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:44 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
- Replies: 215
- Views: 8770
Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
It has been a while since I went through this so I will repeat there was an initial down payment of £10m from ALK, plus £65m from MSD and circa £23m from the club, following that there was another £14m borrowed from the club and that is where some people get £37m from because that was in the July 2...
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:56 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Making the league more even
- Replies: 36
- Views: 2488
Re: Making the league more even
Not entirely serious but with all the US owners who knows...
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:25 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
- Replies: 215
- Views: 8770
Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
But I thought original takeover was £170m for 84%.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:18 amthe £114.8m is made up of the £65m from MSD washed through the club and £49.8m directly from the club
and yes I saw that Telegraph report to
£15m their money, or separately borrowed, £55m bank, £100m bfc, in round terms.
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:18 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
28/2/1925, Burnley 5 West Ham 4.
Sounds like a good game 99 years ago !
Sounds like a good game 99 years ago !
- Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:11 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
- Replies: 215
- Views: 8770
Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
It could be wrong but I seem to remember there was something to do with the time frames imposed on the borrowing in terms of when it came on stream, ALK's borrowing from the club was staggered - either way the the total borrowed is £114.8m which falls well under the 65% threshold - The Glazer takeo...
- Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:28 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Making the league more even
- Replies: 36
- Views: 2488
Re: Making the league more even
Perhaps one day the PL will be expanded a bit from 20 up by letting others apply to enter. And the divisions a bit like the nfl with play-offs and a superbowl type PL final, keeps more clubs in contention for longer and no relegation. Could go to say 36 teams which I think the nfl number.
- Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:16 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
- Replies: 215
- Views: 8770
Re: ALK’s Strategy: Are We Witnessing A Failing Experiment?
Hadn't realised that borrowing from a club not included in leverage %, seems a little odd.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:27 pmThe takeover valued the club at £202m - there was £65m borrowed from MSD and in this equation we have to ignore what was borrowed from the club.
- Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:48 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: All time record
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1686
- Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:42 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: All time record
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1686
Re: All time record
Latest all time following Palace on Sat.
P 5777, W 2255, D 1397, L 2125, F 8482, A 8333.
P 5777, W 2255, D 1397, L 2125, F 8482, A 8333.
- Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:41 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Favourite films of all time
- Replies: 123
- Views: 4679
Re: Favourite films of all time
Just remembered The Beatles Help film, 1965.
Included a scene from the 1962 cup final Burnley v. Spurs.
Think it was crowd singing in bit with Ringo in beer cellar with a tiger.
Included a scene from the 1962 cup final Burnley v. Spurs.
Think it was crowd singing in bit with Ringo in beer cellar with a tiger.
- Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
2 good cup runs that season but sadly relegated too...Royboyclaret wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:29 amTwo hat-tricks......Steve Taylor and Billy Hamilton, with the brilliant Trevor Steven adding the other.
- Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:50 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
26/2/1983, Burnley 7 Charlton 1.
- Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:49 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Palace away - quietly optimistic...
- Replies: 99
- Views: 4785
Re: Palace away - quietly optimistic...
Not unknown for teams to do a 'Lazarus'. 13 games to go, 7 points off 17th, 11 points off 16th, and Everton in 17th could get some points reinstated. So a turn around needs to come soon, perhaps unlikely, but not impossible. bfc in the PL is David v. Goliath difficult enough without being leveraged ...
- Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:10 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
24/2/1934, Fulham 1 Burnley 1.
Last game in London otd, 90 years ago.
at Crystal Palace today.
Last game in London otd, 90 years ago.
at Crystal Palace today.
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:45 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12775
- Views: 1266261
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
That's a tough one, bfc8. Are you expecting every fan to have accounting and corporate finance qualifications? No. Looked at the bfc 44 page accounts again just now. Accept they have to be produced like that. But you need some finance training to understand and to tease out the really important bit...
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:33 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12775
- Views: 1266261
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
First job for the regulator, insist clubs publish timely financial info in a format fans can understand.
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:38 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: 4th test
- Replies: 70
- Views: 3844
Re: 4th test
Root 66 not out 66 when I looked.
- Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:30 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
23/2/2019, Burnley 2 Tottenham 1.
23/2/2022, Burnley 1 Tottenham 0.
A Spurs double...
23/2/2022, Burnley 1 Tottenham 0.
A Spurs double...
- Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:06 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Favourite films of all time
- Replies: 123
- Views: 4679
Re: Favourite films of all time
The Day of the Jackal.
assassin after de Gaulle.
assassin after de Gaulle.
- Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:23 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
17/2/1968, Burnley 2 Manchester United 1.
Good win over that season's European Cup winners.
Good win over that season's European Cup winners.
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:30 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
^^^^ Clubs only allowed to spend their revenue if below the flat cap, borrowing to get up to cap not allowed. Some high revenue clubs may not be able to spend all their revenue, may give bigger profits to owners, or lead to reduced unit prices, ie reduced ticket prices. In the real world the latter ...
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:16 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The current UEFA and latest PL rules lay down player spending, transfers, salaries, etc as a % of revenue, so clearly clubs want to maximise revenue that counts under the formula. Some say it favours clubs already in euro comps because they clearly already have that income, unlike clubs aspiring to...
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:24 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It is indeed an interesting one - and was brought up on The Price of Football podcast on Monday at the moment there is nothing stopping someone like PiF waking a multi-billion dollar investment in Newcastle's name and then using profits from the venture to rapidly grow the clubs finances even selli...
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:17 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
It seems that Alex Hearn has conceded in the takeover race for West Brom and has also been magnanimous in defeat with regard to how the debt the current owner of the club will be repaid, including the removal of those eye-watering interest rates that were kicking in. All in all it seems like a seri...
- Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
So how does a club with limited revenues and catchment innovate to create additional non-football revenue - Inverness Caledonian Thistle thought they had planning approval for their answer last week, now they are not so sure as it has been called back for review. from The Times Why Inverness Caledo...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:09 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
The "inner-circle" at Everton are now suggesting imminent problems. As an aside bfc8, really missing your "On this day" threads. otd 1901 Burnley 7 Newton Heath 1 FAC, had thought it a bit old to mention ! Everton, dire, but. There is a chance someone is keeping their powder dry spotting a good lon...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:05 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
"Sensible" ?? £450 million, in albeit , interest free loans. My use of sensible was about Spurs, see above answer. If you are referring to Everton then I agree ill-advised. Everton might have followed Spurs lead, surprised they didn't. May have been Usmanov was financing them removed from the scene...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:56 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
"Sensible" ?? £450 million, in albeit , interest free loans. The Spurs debt is higher than that, something like £700m in long term loans, US banks, locked in at low interest rates, no principal repayment until the end of the loan, a bullet payment, may be rolled over again even then. Stadium expect...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:47 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
^^^^ One other associated issue. Everton mentioned barriers to entry into the then big6 PL teams. They tried to spend their way in, unsuccessfully. Thought big spending on players and stadium would help entry and might have done handled differently. But for any team, as Newcastle are finding, the sp...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:40 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
This is a mess.....How have Everton allowed this financial situation to unfold ? One of the biggest names in the English football game is literally on the precipice. A total debt of £1billion, the majority of that to Moshiri, who is taking less and less interest in the Club by the day. A masive que...
- Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
PL feels a bit more rigged than before with a latest vote. The 3 year rolling maximum loss formula being replaced by a % of revenue formula for player transfers, salaries, etc. That seems to favour clubs in euro comps and help keep them there !
- Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:08 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: My first view of the new Everton stadium
- Replies: 13
- Views: 2263
Re: My first view of the new Everton stadium
Old v. new stadium.
Debate currently about Man Utd OT. One argument for a new stadium is natural life span of an old one, OT would need massive works on electrics, water in/out, wifi, etc, etc. Means new stadium while costing more may be more economic due to very large costs of renovation.
Debate currently about Man Utd OT. One argument for a new stadium is natural life span of an old one, OT would need massive works on electrics, water in/out, wifi, etc, etc. Means new stadium while costing more may be more economic due to very large costs of renovation.
- Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:35 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: Football's Magic Money Tree
- Replies: 10008
- Views: 1044738
Re: Football's Magic Money Tree
With abstentions making the the 12-6 vote a winning one in regards to the new Associated Party Rules and regular media suggestions of distant/divisive factions over how to pay for the 'New Deal for Football', it is becoming obvious that the Premier League is no longer a united force. The problem (a...
- Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:10 pm
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: On this day
- Replies: 136
- Views: 11519
Re: On this day
10/2/1909, Burnley 9 Crystal Palace 0 FAC.
Another of 4 record 9-0 wins.
Another of 4 record 9-0 wins.
- Tue Feb 06, 2024 12:08 am
- Forum: The Bee Hole End
- Topic: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
- Replies: 12775
- Views: 1266261
Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover
^^^^
31/7/2022 debtor £114m, loans slightly lower than in 2021.
31/7/2022 debtor £114m, loans slightly lower than in 2021.