Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:37 pm

Of course you can talk transfers without talking finances.
Discuss the player, his strengths and weaknesses, whether he would improve the squad. What he costs is irrelevant to us, we are supporters and that is all we are.
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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:11 am

Unfortunately Trevor that isn’t true, it isn’t irrelevant, we are discussing if we can afford ‘x’ number of players, whether the money is there is vital for that discussion. Look at Everton and others - the new FFP rules, they are making a huge impact on what clubs can spend which is why Everton are looking at loans etc (or were, to be more accurate).

I’m not a fam of using this thread to claim the takeover is or isn’t a good thing, but the actual costs of transfers is on topic. I’m getting a bit fed up of people trying to dictate what we can discuss on here, even if I do get similarly annoyed with some of the negative characters infesting every thread.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:52 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:11 am
Unfortunately Trevor that isn’t true, it isn’t irrelevant, we are discussing if we can afford ‘x’ number of players, whether the money is there is vital for that discussion. Look at Everton and others - the new FFP rules, they are making a huge impact on what clubs can spend which is why Everton are looking at loans etc (or were, to be more accurate).

I’m not a fam of using this thread to claim the takeover is or isn’t a good thing, but the actual costs of transfers is on topic. I’m getting a bit fed up of people trying to dictate what we can discuss on here, even if I do get similarly annoyed with some of the negative characters infesting every thread.
There are other threads for that discussion though, Crosspool. The thread title says it all.
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Post by RVclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:01 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:52 am
There are other threads for that discussion though, Crosspool. The thread title says it all.
Specifically this one called ‘Transfer finances’

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... s#p1876563
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Post by claretandy » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:24 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:59 pm
Think they’re in for Zirkzee which I’m gutted about. I know it was always highly unlikely but before the PL clubs came in I held feint hope :(
Stuttgart in for him too, 13m Euros plus add on's, you'd think Kompany's pull would be able to sway him.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:39 am

claretandy wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:24 am
Stuttgart in for him too, 13m Euros plus add on's, you'd think Kompany's pull would be able to sway him.
I’d say it’s highly improbable at those numbers and Zirkzee will not want to play in the Championship.

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Post by taio » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:45 am

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:39 am
I’d say it’s highly improbable at those numbers and Zirkzee will not want to play in the Championship.
Yes, I can't understand why anyone thought otherwise from the moment he was first mentioned.

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Post by willsclarets » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:56 am

I’m not sure how you could be dissatisfied with our work in the transfer market so far given the enormity of the job. In terms of spend, it’s more than possible a bit of powder is being kept dry for a striker. Goals cost money. Maybe we have a deal to buy maatsen. Who knows. But it hardly seems fair to criticise at this point.
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Post by bfcjg » Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:16 am

brunlea99 wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:34 pm
Will Tella be taking our pens ?
Any fortune tellas online who could enlighten us? 😁

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Post by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:40 am

Tella not quite as close as some would have you believe

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:48 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:40 am
Tella not quite as close as some would have you believe
Says who?

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:07 am

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:48 am
Says who?
A saints fan page last night said they are still making a decision on Tella but Burnley and other clubs are interested

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Post by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:11 am

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:07 am
A saints fan page last night said they are still making a decision on Tella but Burnley and other clubs are interested
That's the same as I was told

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Post by burnleymik » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:31 am

FeedTheArf wrote:
Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:59 pm
That’s because you can’t possibly have a discussion about transfers without discussing finances. The two go hand in hand. To think otherwise is incredibly naive.
Not really. This is for rumours and transfer info. Not personal opinions of the board taking money to pay debt and not buy players, as he was alluding to. It's just not needed and deliberately derailing the thread.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:40 am

Back to transfers a few Southampton pages saying Tella isn’t as close as the media make us believe.

Interesting as McGrath is usually very accurate

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Post by FeedTheArf » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:45 am

burnleymik wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:31 am
Not really. This is for rumours and transfer info. Not personal opinions of the board taking money to pay debt and not buy players, as he was alluding to. It's just not needed and deliberately derailing the thread.
It's not a personal opinion, it's fact.

Rightly or wrongly, they are taking money to pay debt. Kompany has spoken about it more than once in his press conferences.

Whilst I don't want to get into the buyout, if a rumour comes up of us spending £12m on Zirkzee and offering a contract of £30k p/w for example, the likelihood of that happening is directly linked to the finances available at the club and inevitably becomes part of the discussion.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:45 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:40 am
Back to transfers a few Southampton pages saying Tella isn’t as close as the media make us believe.

Interesting as McGrath is usually very accurate
To be fair he said we are set to win the race, didn’t say it was imminent

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:45 am

Boden and James have been very quiet this window, they aren’t getting any information from the club at all, boden didn’t put anything out to stand the interest in benson up until he was practically signed

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:47 am

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:45 am
To be fair he said we are set to win the race, didn’t say it was imminent
Tbh I am leaning more towards the fan page not being accurate.

I suspect he will sign in the next day or so

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:48 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:47 am
Tbh I am leaning more towards the fan page not being accurate.

I suspect he will sign in the next day or so
Yes, CT even believes this one is more than just speculation

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Post by ervi34 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:00 am

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:45 am
Boden and James have been very quiet this window, they aren’t getting any information from the club at all, boden didn’t put anything out to stand the interest in benson up until he was practically signed
Nothing unusual, they're always the last to know.

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Post by Nori1958 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:04 am

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:48 am
Yes, CT even believes this one is more than just speculation
Probably based on the reliability of the journalist

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:05 am

ervi34 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:00 am
Nothing unusual, they're always the last to know.
I know but usually they are quick tell us there’s nothing in certain rumours, especially boden but not had anything in regards to American winger, the lad from Germany even him from rangers the only one that seems a proper link is the Cabral one and that’s the one that seemed the least realistic

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Post by Zlatan » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:07 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:40 am
Back to transfers a few Southampton pages saying Tella isn’t as close as the media make us believe.

Interesting as McGrath is usually very accurate
That’s like believing everything on this forum and ignoring a journalist in the know.

I get what you’re saying though… counting chickens and all that

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Post by BigChaCha » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:11 am

RVclaret wrote:

Yes, CT even believes this one is more than just speculation
Probably based on the reliability of the journalist
Yep, he only ever alludes to being 'in the know' after a very well-respected journalist with a good track record links us to a player and especially if it is in a national newspaper!... Make of that what you like but I'm not taken in, unlike other easily impressionable people here.

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Post by ClaretAL » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:16 am

BigChaCha wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:11 am
Yep, he only ever alludes to being 'in the know' after a very well-respected journalist with a good track record links us to a player and especially if it is in a national newspaper!... Make of that what you like but I'm not taken in, unlike other easily impressionable people here.
Was there really any need for that?
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:22 am

ClaretAL wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:16 am
Was there really any need for that?

He is very rich so speaks to others accordingly

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:23 am

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:07 am
That’s like believing everything on this forum and ignoring a journalist in the know.

I get what you’re saying though… counting chickens and all that
Tbh I was leaning more to McGrath anyway as he’s very reliable. But interesting that them pages said that.

Either way looks like medical booked for today
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Post by RVclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:23 am

Yes Boden is reporting a medical for Tella
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Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:29 am

FeedTheArf wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:45 am
Whilst I don't want to get into the buyout, if a rumour comes up of us spending £12m on Zirkzee and offering a contract of £30k p/w for example, the likelihood of that happening is directly linked to the finances available at the club and inevitably becomes part of the discussion.
This thread is rumours about players. Your example of £12m and £30k p/w are speculation that has nothing to do with us as fans. Discuss it on the finance page.

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Post by NewClaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:32 am

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:23 am
Yes Boden is reporting a medical for Tella
Heard this yesterday (only after news broke). Looked duff info when I logged in this morning but must’ve been good.

Unsure on this one. I don’t like loans really, investing in other teams players + bit of an injury record + lacks end product from reports. On the other hand, comes with Prem experience and is absolutely rapid, which is exactly what we need.

Hopefully the loans we’re picking up are open-minded to being part of the longer term picture.

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Post by ArmchairDetective » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:45 am

Surprised to see some on this thread appearing a little unsure about the move. We don't yet know the details of this deal or the rest of the transfer window for that matter.

For all we know there could be an option to buy included, we could be saving money for a quality number 9, or both. But personally I think it's a smart move. He's played the past couple of years in the Premier League and is lightning quick, but has also lacked a bit of form and consistency. Maybe we thought it was too much of a risk to buy him outright but he still adds another option to our growing list of attackers in a season where being able to change half of your team during games will likely bring significant advantages.

Either way I think it's a bit premature to be taking issue with specific deals when our business is clearly not finished.

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Post by warksclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:57 am

Whatever we think of the signings so far, I am impressed with how wide the net is being cast,our success rate in converting prospects into signing, our ability to finally consider loans, scouting overseas, not leaving recruitment to the last few days of the window, not being held to ransom, and focusing on the future rather than players in their twilight years. Could never have envisaged such a change in policy from the previous draconian method of recruiting (or more to the point not recruiting)
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Post by Boxy » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:58 am

Looking at the landscape of things. Its very possible us snd southampton have swapped divisons this time next season. What would surely make a permanent deal easier if we wanted to
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Post by Zlatan » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:06 am

Boxy wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:58 am
Looking at the landscape of things. Its very possible us snd southampton have swapped divisons this time next season. What would surely make a permanent deal easier if we wanted to
I like your thinking... we could get Dwight back in a similar deal :D

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Post by NewClaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:22 am

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:45 am

Either way I think it's a bit premature to be taking issue with specific deals when our business is clearly not finished.
Agree. And I would far rather we got Tella on loan & diverted funds towards a top striker target. We need a 20 goal striker more than anything else.

My question was more whether he’d end up being the best of the wingers linked so far? He might be, but then wouldn’t be ours. Anyway… not relevant now since we’re not making the decisions (thank god).
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:22 am

What is the cut off to be available tomorrow

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:23 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:22 am
What is the cut off to be available tomorrow
Midday today.

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Post by Boxy » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:23 am

12pm today

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:24 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:23 am
Midday today.
Time for 3 more yet then today

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Post by Boxy » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:27 am

Only has to be registered.. doesn't need to be announced or anything
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Post by RVclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:31 am

I think Tella is a top signing for us and will do very well in this league + our system. Think he’s been injured lately so perhaps will be eased off the bench over the next week of games.

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Post by Mattster » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:34 am

I'm not really enthused by Tella, not entirely sure what he offers.

Looking at his underlying stats the only thing he's good at is pressing/defending. His main source of goal/shot creating actions are winning fouls but that's pretty much entirely down to the fact that Southampton have Ward-Prowse on setpieces.

He's 23 too, seems a weird one. Could understand if we were buying him but as a loan it doesn't make much sense to me, just adds another body to potentially block the chances of the likes of Costelloe and Tucker.

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:39 am

Very polarising comments above me. Interesting how we perceive transfer targets isn't it?

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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:42 am

On Saturday when Luton began the game pressing us really aggressively, they completely stopped us playing for the first quarter of the game. I thought at the time what we desperately needed was some real pace at the top of the pitch, allowing us to hit a direct ball into the space left behind them which would have turned them and stopped them squeezing the pitch. As we didn't have it, we had to just come through that first part of the game but we were a goal down by the time we did. Against a side with better finishers, we may well have been a couple goals down.

For that reason, I'm pleased we're recruiting someone like Tella who appears to have bags of pace. Just what we need to prevent teams from suffocating us and stopping us playing. He also seems to fit how we want to play without the ball, with very good pressing and ball recovery stats.

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Post by NewClaret » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:44 am

warksclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:57 am
Whatever we think of the signings so far, I am impressed with how wide the net is being cast,our success rate in converting prospects into signing, our ability to finally consider loans, scouting overseas, not leaving recruitment to the last few days of the window, not being held to ransom, and focusing on the future rather than players in their twilight years. Could never have envisaged such a change in policy from the previous draconian method of recruiting (or more to the point not recruiting)
This is a really good point. Now linked with Cabral, Churlinov & De La Fuente in wide positions. So if you’re either one of their agents & see Tella sign you must be wondering whether we’ll just nail other targets & walk away if you get greedy.

It’s great how far we’re looking, how quick we’re acting and whilst not the biggest fan of loans they are certainly advantageous in terms of not looking desperate to agents of other players we might want on perm.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:45 am

Mattster wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:34 am
I'm not really enthused by Tella, not entirely sure what he offers.

Looking at his underlying stats the only thing he's good at is pressing/defending. His main source of goal/shot creating actions are winning fouls but that's pretty much entirely down to the fact that Southampton have Ward-Prowse on setpieces.

He's 23 too, seems a weird one. Could understand if we were buying him but as a loan it doesn't make much sense to me, just adds another body to potentially block the chances of the likes of Costelloe and Tucker.
I do agree, I think it blocks the likes of Costelloe and a Tucker coming through.

Got to suggest that Kompany feels he is a big upgrade

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Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:46 am

Mattster wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:34 am
I'm not really enthused by Tella, not entirely sure what he offers.

Looking at his underlying stats the only thing he's good at is pressing/defending. His main source of goal/shot creating actions are winning fouls but that's pretty much entirely down to the fact that Southampton have Ward-Prowse on setpieces.

He's 23 too, seems a weird one. Could understand if we were buying him but as a loan it doesn't make much sense to me, just adds another body to potentially block the chances of the likes of Costelloe and Tucker.
He offers pace, top flight experience, and if he wins fouls that allows Twine to put the resultant free kick in the top bin that'll do me.

Maybe VK doesn't think Costelloe or Tucker are up to the rigours of a testing promotion chasing Championship campaign,

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Re: Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

Post by It Is What It Is » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:46 am

We had a Striker made for Championship level...if only Weghorst had a better attitude to carry on and play in the Championship. He would have been getting service all day long and bagging goals for us.
Oh well....just saying.
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